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[sonogi]

godlike13 wrote...

Although she's in the Adept class, the Asari Justicar is not really an Adept but more a Biotic Solider. U shouldn't really be playing her as u would an Adept, and even if people leave the bubble, the bubble still protects u.

this. i roll with defensive bubble and geth shottie, in addition to weapon dmg bonuses. spam aoe reave for your biotic friends, bubble your camping infiltrator friends, kill stuff with your weapon. you wont have top score, but this class makes gold trivial.

[sonogi]

humes spork wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

The "offensive bubble" technique people keep talking about, I'm not getting. It's not like Stasis, where I can safely shoot a bubble at the enemy. I have to physically run over to it, stop to unleash said bubble, then run away again. Considering she's not exactly the best with health, that sounds like a bad idea.

Bubble in chokepoints. The offensive justicar setup works most ideally in smaller maps or ones with major chokepoints, like for example glacier, white or reactor when enemies can be guaranteed to move through one of two or three locations depending upon where your party is set up. Having a geth in your party to call out enemy movements helps out quite a bit with getting your bubble set up in the right place, or even more amusingly a salarian engineer to set up a decoy inside your bubble. Wait for them to enter your bubble and get warped, then reave away.

you cant really do this on gold. great in theory, but you get shredded being so close to more than 2 mobs.

[BraveLToaster]

sonogi wrote...

humes spork wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

The "offensive bubble" technique people keep talking about, I'm not getting. It's not like Stasis, where I can safely shoot a bubble at the enemy. I have to physically run over to it, stop to unleash said bubble, then run away again. Considering she's not exactly the best with health, that sounds like a bad idea.

Bubble in chokepoints. The offensive justicar setup works most ideally in smaller maps or ones with major chokepoints, like for example glacier, white or reactor when enemies can be guaranteed to move through one of two or three locations depending upon where your party is set up. Having a geth in your party to call out enemy movements helps out quite a bit with getting your bubble set up in the right place, or even more amusingly a salarian engineer to set up a decoy inside your bubble. Wait for them to enter your bubble and get warped, then reave away.

you cant really do this on gold. great in theory, but you get shredded being so close to more than 2 mobs.

Yes you can. 

[Star fury]

Sphere specced for warp + reave gives you biotic explosions. Even better to work with asari adept. You can make bloodbath for banshees and brutes on gold with that pair. Also sphere is handy if you have good defensive position.

I'll recommend to go to gold reapers and cerberus with justicar. With geth she is not that effective I guess.

Modifié par Star fury, 12 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[fixit6]

So how are people doing these chain bubble/reave explosions. Had a banshee in it using offense spec...reave -> BE -> reave -> nothing -> reave -> nothing -> reave -> BE. It has like a 5 sec internal CD or something. I can see getting chain BEs with an AA helping out, but solo? Not working for me.

[Xaijin]

niko20 wrote...

I have reset powers on her three times and tried different combos, using Bubble with damage to enemy, using Bubble for ally health max regen, etc, and it just isn't worth it.

The Biotic bubble just is too hard to place to make it worth using. And the other powers are pull and Reave. Reave works pretty darn good, but you can't cause a biotic explosion with it along with pull on shielded enemies until you remove their barrier or armor. And the justicar does not have anything to make the easy to do. I guess you could use an appropriate weapon.

For weapons I've tried using just a light pistol for 200% regen, didn't seem to work that much, I mean I could do bioitic combos faster but against shielded like Marauders you have to get their shields down first.

Using the biotic bubble for protection just doesn't work as good as you would think, because most people just run around the map a lot, the bubble requires them to sit still.

So I'm undecided whether damage or protection. It seems damage is probably more useful, since you really won't get much benefit of protection when everyone leaves the bubble all the time anyway. And with damage you can coax banshees to go into the bubble, and if you do, they fall FAST.


But really the Justicar seems a bit weak yet to me compared to an Asari Adept.

-niko

Your post is chock full of disingenuous assertions. With a warp throw adept and a reave bubble justicar you can OBLITERATE Reapers and Cerbeus on Gold, and hold your own against Geth.

[akula51]

Love the bubble. Can't get people in my games out of it...lmao. I don't shoot all that much with it, but the Geth Plasmawhatever SMG is proving quite nice - I had a ton of Rail Upgrades, and it goes pretty well with warp ammo. Set up your own darned biosplosions if you don't have another squishy right alongside you...

[superduperkoala]

I use her in geth gold farming runs. Get a friend who max out throw with you, all u need to do is to use defence bubble and set biotic explosion with reave. You will have the highest score in every single game!

[january42]

The problem is that pull is basicly a worthless skill. When you get to gold, most of the enemies have shields so pull does nothing.  Even if they wern't affected, it woudl be nice if you could use it to set up biotic combo's.  As it, it's an almost pointless skill on gold.

Honestly, that is pretty much the problem with alot of classes.


There seem to be 2 things to do with the bubble.

1)spec it out for defence

2)Spec it out offensivly and have it warp people who walk into it, which you can then hit with Reave.

Unfortunatly, the second one doesn't work all that well because you set up the bubble around you.  It would be better if it was a projectile for that use. It's really difficult to use the bubble offensivly though due to how it's set up. And it has a duration, so you can't even just set it up in a chokepoint between waves.

She's better than the Drell adept (who is kinda worthless unless they have a teammate to combo with)


Defensivly, it's pretty great. 40% DR is no joke. If you have a Geth Engineer it's the prot-a-fort.   Depends a bit on the map though.

[WhooMovingTarget]

fixit6 wrote...

So how are people doing these chain bubble/reave explosions. Had a banshee in it using offense spec...reave -> BE -> reave -> nothing -> reave -> nothing -> reave -> BE. It has like a 5 sec internal CD or something. I can see getting chain BEs with an AA helping out, but solo? Not working for me.

Is your bubble specced for warp?

[humes spork]

sonogi wrote...

you cant really do this on gold. great in theory, but you get shredded being so close to more than 2 mobs.

Oh dear god, the bubble has a duration longer than ten seconds, you know. The very point of why I suggested doing it that way is specifically to prep for an incoming group of enemies then fall back before they get in range. That's the point of putting the bubble in the chokepoint -- they're forced to enter it regardless, so you don't have to run up to a group of enemies and use it point-blank.

Herrr.

Modifié par humes spork, 12 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[sonogi]

ahhhh, drop the bubble then leave. amazing, thanks.gonna respec right now =)

Modifié par sonogi, 12 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[HolyAvenger]

akula51 wrote...

Love the bubble. Can't get people in my games out of it...lmao. I don't shoot all that much with it, but the Geth Plasmawhatever SMG is proving quite nice - I had a ton of Rail Upgrades, and it goes pretty well with warp ammo. Set up your own darned biosplosions if you don't have another squishy right alongside you...

Warp ammo sets off BE's? How did I not know this! Damn, my next JA run is gonna be a lot more fun now...

[JediNg]

HolyAvenger wrote...

akula51 wrote...

Love the bubble. Can't get people in my games out of it...lmao. I don't shoot all that much with it, but the Geth Plasmawhatever SMG is proving quite nice - I had a ton of Rail Upgrades, and it goes pretty well with warp ammo. Set up your own darned biosplosions if you don't have another squishy right alongside you...

Warp ammo sets off BE's? How did I not know this! Damn, my next JA run is gonna be a lot more fun now...

I don't think so.

[HolyAvenger]

JediNg wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

akula51 wrote...

Love the bubble. Can't get people in my games out of it...lmao. I don't shoot all that much with it, but the Geth Plasmawhatever SMG is proving quite nice - I had a ton of Rail Upgrades, and it goes pretty well with warp ammo. Set up your own darned biosplosions if you don't have another squishy right alongside you...

Warp ammo sets off BE's? How did I not know this! Damn, my next JA run is gonna be a lot more fun now...

I don't think so.

Does it set up? Either way, does it have an effect for BEs?

[Variasaber]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Try aggressive use of offensive bubble and watch banshees staggerlock for the entire rest of their life.

FINALLY, something that actually WORKS against Banshees!    I haven't got anything effective against those damned things.

[january42]

Try using offensive bubble aggressively in combination with reave.  Forego pull.

Tried this.

Very map dependant, but effective if you can pull it off. I could pretty much hold the stairs on FB: W vs Cerberus by myself.  

The defensive sphere is pretty good, but again, pretty map dependant.

The actually can kick it if you have another biotic with you.  Put of the offensive sphere and you both stand  in it and combo everything into the ground.  The Sphere gives a 20% DR and a combo set up vs anything that somehow sneaks up on you. (or you can go for the higher DR if that's your thing).

Wasn't able to staggerlock a banshee, but would like to try that again.

Modifié par january42, 12 avril 2012 - 05:31 .

[akula51]

HolyAvenger wrote...

JediNg wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

akula51 wrote...

Love the bubble. Can't get people in my games out of it...lmao. I don't shoot all that much with it, but the Geth Plasmawhatever SMG is proving quite nice - I had a ton of Rail Upgrades, and it goes pretty well with warp ammo. Set up your own darned biosplosions if you don't have another squishy right alongside you...

Warp ammo sets off BE's? How did I not know this! Damn, my next JA run is gonna be a lot more fun now...

I don't think so.

Does it set up? Either way, does it have an effect for BEs?

Sets em up...definitely turns people blue, and someone takes care of the rest.  Just one more set of stuff coming out of the space I occupy...lol  They *definitely* set off tech burst/explosions.

[ImperatorMortis]

You're not all that great! Asari Justicars is amazing you just don't know how to appreciate her. *turns up nose*

[mrcanada]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Asari Justicar is a better Drell Adept.

They're best played when co-operating with others. Plus, on Gold, people bunker down a lot more than on Silver Bronze.

better? no different? yes

drell adept does a boat load more damage while the justicar is better at support

Exactly how does the Drell do more damage?  You don't spec grenades, so your abilities are exactly the same. Drell is absolutely useless now with the Justicar in place, unless you specifically spec grenades in a team of regulars you usually play with.  They're the same, but sphere is more useful.  Both Drell's have no reason to be used anymore.

[mrcanada]

My only real beef is you only get one warp out of the bubble which equals only one BE per enemy mob. Bothers me that they aren't re-warped if they stay in the bubble and you can continue to BE them until they are out of it. It's also a little buggy, with character standing right in the bubble and I reave them and get no BE. Server lag maybe, but warp isn't always on them when they enter it.

[Unnamed_Shadow]

to be honest Pull ruins the Asari Justicar, if it had throw instead i would use it more often,

[Sacrificial Bias]

 It would be great for team games with friends.  Because everybody else can't get the idea to STAY IN THE DAMN BUBBLE.  Honestly, Reave with a Defensive Sphere build is great.  80% damage reduction.  Took a rocket in the face and it took off about 1/5th of my shields.  On Gold.  Had the other two teammates had the brains to stay in the damn room within the bubble, things would have gone much smoother.

As a support class, there really is no better.  The Geth Engineer might come close, but that healing turret will die pretty fast in Gold once enemies start shooting at it.  The Bubble will last a full minute.

I did see the video of the offensive bubble use, but I honestly don't think the average player can really make use of it.  The problem is that the bubble spawns right on top of you rather than a location of your choice.  Even with Reave's 40% damage reduction, getting in that close will be an adventure in and of itself.  But really, Asari Justicar + Geth Engineer and two Sentinels will mean quite literal invincibility.