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[GGW KillerTiger]

My biotic save my butt bubble saved my team plenty of times. Spam it nead an objective going teammate and they take more damage and then I reave spam everything. I'm so evil.

[GGW KillerTiger]

niko20 wrote...

I still disagree.

Biotic bubble is still pretty much useless except for maybe some objectives.

The reasons are manyfold; For offensive, you have to try and get it in a good spot. AND if you have played AJ at all you will see enemies DONT JUST WALK INTO IT. They actually hesitate and stand outside it for a while. Even *if* they walk into it, it takes a while for the warp to take hold. It doesn't work as well as it should.

For "Defensively", the problem is not only everyone runs out of it anyway, but for objective rounds you still have to leave it, AND against troops like Cerberus or Reapers they will usually toss a grenade inside it, forcing you to leave the bubble anyway.

It's still my opinion: Reave is awesome. But the pull and biotic bubble? Not so much. I mean pull is ok if you make sure to keep an eye out for things that can be pulled and then exploded with Reave.

The biggest problem with the class is yes, they are *support*. So if your team sucks, you will die fast no matter what. Just the way it is....

AOE Reave though, very powerful. My issue is with the bubble. I don't feel it's really that effective. I think it should have actually stopped incoming projectiles for a short while.

-niko

Watp activates when the enemy walks into the bubble. Any warps after that take time. If someone else set off the detonation or heaven forbid is a simplton that used a tech ability on the target inside the bubble warp goes bye bye. I can easily place my bubbles properly to due massive damage. I'm sorry you seem to have trouble with your bubbles. Like I said no class/race sucks. It's hte user who hasn't found how the class plays with that users play style.

[niko20]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

My biotic save my butt bubble saved my team plenty of times. Spam it nead an objective going teammate and they take more damage and then I reave spam everything. I'm so evil.

Like I said, it's great for objectives only. Other than that? I'm not finding it really that effective. It WILL bring banshees down quick if you have specced it for warp *and* you can coax her into the bubble.

The biggest problem is enemies don't just walk into the bubble. It doesn't work like statis bubble, where they walk right in. Many times you will see them camping just outside it. AND even if they walk in, it takes like 5 seconds or so for the warp effect to actually hit them. It needs to be changed to hit right away.

I've also had several times where they just walk right through it, they don't stay in the bubble long enough to get warped so I can hit them with Reave and bio explode.

My opinion still stands, bubble is too hard to use effectively. I really do love the AJ class, I want to like it, and AOE Reave is really really awesome, but the bubble is just completely underwhelming.

[niko20]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

niko20 wrote...

I still disagree.

Biotic bubble is still pretty much useless except for maybe some objectives.

The reasons are manyfold; For offensive, you have to try and get it in a good spot. AND if you have played AJ at all you will see enemies DONT JUST WALK INTO IT. They actually hesitate and stand outside it for a while. Even *if* they walk into it, it takes a while for the warp to take hold. It doesn't work as well as it should.

For "Defensively", the problem is not only everyone runs out of it anyway, but for objective rounds you still have to leave it, AND against troops like Cerberus or Reapers they will usually toss a grenade inside it, forcing you to leave the bubble anyway.

It's still my opinion: Reave is awesome. But the pull and biotic bubble? Not so much. I mean pull is ok if you make sure to keep an eye out for things that can be pulled and then exploded with Reave.

The biggest problem with the class is yes, they are *support*. So if your team sucks, you will die fast no matter what. Just the way it is....

AOE Reave though, very powerful. My issue is with the bubble. I don't feel it's really that effective. I think it should have actually stopped incoming projectiles for a short while.

-niko

Watp activates when the enemy walks into the bubble. Any warps after that take time. If someone else set off the detonation or heaven forbid is a simplton that used a tech ability on the target inside the bubble warp goes bye bye. I can easily place my bubbles properly to due massive damage. I'm sorry you seem to have trouble with your bubbles. Like I said no class/race sucks. It's hte user who hasn't found how the class plays with that users play style.

I don't think so, I have had husks just walk entirely through the bubble, and I try to hit them with Reave and they don't explode. I don't think warp hits right away all the time. I don't believe anyone hit them with a tech either, I was the only one in the bubble at the time and the husk was headed right for me...

Don't misunderstand, I had pretty decent success with offensive bubble. But now you also have the problem of teammates not knowing if your bubble is offensive or defensive either as well.

The other big problem as I stated before is enemies dont just waltz right into it. They stand outside for a while. Even brutes are too smart to enter it most of the time. Yes, even at a chokepoint.

[Gaidax]

I just play AJ as Asari Commando type of thing. Max defensive bubble, AoE defensive Reave, slap on Cyclonic Modulators and whip out Striker with Cryo Ammo... Spam Reave and let your teammates blow it up or prime it yourself with bubble if someone gets close - bubble triggers explosions too even without warp upgrade.

It is real fun this way, IMO, since you can shoot stuff with automatic weapon on Gold and actually be good about it overall. Won't say it is the best way to play AJ, but it is satisfying for me and it works fine.

Also, you don't really need to run away from cover if grenade comes your way on Gold, with all the damage reduction you got, you won't even feel it, it takes less than half of your shield at most or so, same with Atlas rockets and such, even getting shot by Nemesis won't remove all the shield, so as long as you don't get totally swarmed, you can hold your ground. Then just sprint out and reposition somewhere else and keep shooting and spamming Reave.

Modifié par Gaidax, 12 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[GodlessPaladin]

...So, people look at "you can run straight up to a banshee and stagger it until it dies, also killing everything else remotely close to it in the process and oh yeah, 50% damage bonus and free warp explosions to anyone shooting things" and think "gee, that just really doesn't seem very useful to me."

You people are crazy.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[godlike13]

niko20 wrote...
For "Defensive bubble", the problem is not only that everyone runs out of it anyway, AND against troops like Cerberus or Reapers they will usually toss a grenade inside it, forcing you to leave the bubble anyway.

I really don't get this complaint, even if everyone else runs out of the bubble as long as u are in the bubble it will still protect u and increase ur shield recharge rate, and if u have to run out of the bubble u can just cast it again. Defensive bubble isn't just good for protecting ur team, its good for just protecting yourself too. Combined it with Reave and its even better at protecting yourself.

Modifié par godlike13, 12 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[Fingertrip]

Obvious not a gold player.

[january42]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

...So, people look at "you can run straight up to a banshee and stagger it until it dies, also killing everything else remotely close to it in the process and oh yeah, 50% damage bonus and free warp explosions to anyone shooting things" and think "gee, that just really doesn't seem very useful to me."

You people are crazy.

Ok, how do you do this?  I tried it, and it didn't seem to work. Bashee will grab you eventually.

[humes spork]

marshalleck wrote...

Wynne wrote...

I would've preferred for her to have Reave and Throw or something like that. It would've made her less like my drell adept, whom I've already played a lot.

Terrible idea. If they did this, they might as well delete the drell adept.

Oh hell, there's still a call for the DA. Cluster grenade bluesploding off reave does a buttload of damage and only has one cooldown between the two skills.

Really, anyone saying the AJ would be overpowered if she had reave and throw instead of reave and pull needs their head checked. Look at the HA for god's sake, specced right they have three combos available to them at insano-speed and all three can be specced for damage bonuses on prime and detonate; the only time they can't combo is against an armored target at long range (and two whole enemies in the entire multiplayer fall under the "armored target usually fought at long range" category and even then only on half the available maps), and even then they can prime and/or detonate with another biotic class.

[D4rk50ul808]

Well considering Banshee's are 3rd in the kill order they aren't that bad, just get close to them and bubble/reave/bubble/reave. Shoot a sack off of a Ravager, reave, and run up to bubble and watch about 3-7 explosions happen at once.

The only thing the bubble is just marginal at is playing Geth straight up without decoys. It will give away hunter positions though. The extra damage and free warps are still nice, and the barrier/armor spec'd reave still tears them up.

Rather than throwing a bubble in the open, throw it on your teams cover.. I like to wait till the wave starts and throw it outside the enemy spawn to get auto-warps while I sit half way across the map spamming reave and shooting.

[magor1988x]

You must be playing her poorly. We've been slaughtering with the Biotic Detonation teams.

Asari Justicar, Asari Adept +2 Other Biotics of Choice (I've been mostly going with Drell Adept to really get a lot of Reaves up & 2nd Asari Adept) 

Justicar keeps defensive bubble up 100% of the time & spends all other CDs on Reave (Area specced) the others just keep throwing out detonating combos. You can tear through the reapers like paper.

Another potential combo (We haven't tested it yet) is Geth Engineer w/Defensive specced Turret, Asari Justicar w/Defensive bubble & Salarian Engineer w/1 other (Probably double Salarian Engineer or an Infil)

Bubble goes up, turret goes up. Never lose shields, health gets regen'ed, incoming damage is reduced and Decoy. #Profit

It's a very very good class if played well. The defensive bubble is terrible if you spend too much time running around instead of moving as a group & camping spot to spot (Or camping one spot on White, Glacier, etc)

[GodlessPaladin]

january42 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

...So, people look at "you can run straight up to a banshee and stagger it until it dies, also killing everything else remotely close to it in the process and oh yeah, 50% damage bonus and free warp explosions to anyone shooting things" and think "gee, that just really doesn't seem very useful to me."

You people are crazy.

Ok, how do you do this?  I tried it, and it didn't seem to work. Bashee will grab you eventually.

Step 1:  You have to have at least one teammate who is not utterly retarded for this to always work. 
You can stagger them a bit on your own, but it won't be a constant stunlock unless you've got a little extra oomph being added.

Got that done?  Okay.  Now here's what you do:  Reave the Banshee.  Run right up to the Banshee.  Bubble the Banshee.  Ally should now be shooting at the banshee with some form of actually effective attack.  Tickling them with an SMG won't do it.  (if you're going "Why the hell are they not shooting at the 2 banshees and a brute in the bubble?  Don't they know that they get free biotic explosions and a 50% damage boost on enemies in teh bubble? AAARGH!" return to step one)  Now shoot the banshee in the face with your Geth Plasma Shotgun (and reave when it recharges) until the Banshee is dead.  You can stand like 5 feet from it safely because it won't be moving towards you at all... it'll be staggerring backwards the whole time.

The reason for the stagger lock is because the bonus damage from the bubble is so high that any decent attack will stagger her even on Gold.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 12:54 .

[appleyum]

niko20 wrote...

I have reset powers on her three times and tried different combos, using Bubble with damage to enemy, using Bubble for ally health max regen, etc, and it just isn't worth it.

The Biotic bubble just is too hard to place to make it worth using. And the other powers are pull and Reave. Reave works pretty darn good, but you can't cause a biotic explosion with it along with pull on shielded enemies until you remove their barrier or armor. And the justicar does not have anything to make the easy to do. I guess you could use an appropriate weapon.

Psst you can cause biotic explosion on enemies within the bubble.







Reave once they get inside of it.

Using the biotic bubble for protection just doesn't work as good as
you would think, because most people just run around the map a lot, the
bubble requires them to sit still.

Yeah that's one problem when you have a group that doesn't stick to one safe location.  Then you have monster spawning all at different location and pretty soon you are surounded.

Modifié par appleyum, 12 avril 2012 - 12:59 .

[GodlessPaladin]

RE niko20: "Bubble is hard to place"
The class doesn't suck just because you suck AT it.

[humes spork]

niko20 wrote...

I don't think so, I have had husks just walk entirely through the bubble, and I try to hit them with Reave and they don't explode. I don't think warp hits right away all the time. I don't believe anyone hit them with a tech either, I was the only one in the bubble at the time and the husk was headed right for me...

Don't misunderstand, I had pretty decent success with offensive bubble. But now you also have the problem of teammates not knowing if your bubble is offensive or defensive either as well.

The other big problem as I stated before is enemies dont just waltz right into it. They stand outside for a while. Even brutes are too smart to enter it most of the time. Yes, even at a chokepoint.

Are you hosting? Because, I haven't ran into an issue where enemies show reticence to walk into the bubble. Mayhaps it's lag? And even if enemies are loathe to walk into the bubble, you've gained a tool no other class has in ME3 MP -- area denial. That's even nicer than its intended function especially on maps like reactor, condor, or glacier, where enemies can flank the team quickly and easily. The justicar can hold a flank on her own and/or funnel enemies into a killzone.

And, the difference between an offensive and defensive bubble should be self-evident. Defensive bubbles are deployed in cover near the team, and offensive bubbles are deployed in chokepoints that will have enemy traffic. Failing that, "guys, my bubble is offense/defense spec" over chat will likely clear up any misconceptions.