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http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

(Forgive Andy Chalk's now -as always- slightly smug and irritating tone.)

There's where I first spotted the story. To all the people deriding the FTC complaints: HAH.

In all seriousness though, this is a pretty big step. Having *anyone* officially state promises were made and broken regarding the nature of the game by Bioware is a win for Retake/Line Holders.

Modifié par Overule, 12 avril 2012 - 02:36 .


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I refuse to even step on that crap smearing site known as the escapist, but I'll take your word as truth, and ask further, what is going to come of this if anything?

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DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

I refuse to even step on that crap smearing site known as the escapist, but I'll take your word as truth, and ask further, what is going to come of this if anything?


"Ow, my wrist!"

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Ummm the BBB isn't the FTC ...... just sayin.

And maybe you should focus on the technicality. Majoirie uses to bullets in her article on the BBB where the escapist got the information from. For one of them she states that it's worded as an absolute, which the article you linked in your OP, and for the secoind she states that it is not an absolute.

So under the premise of the two points she has used, yes, technically speaking, Bioware did falsley advertise.

OP you still need to edit your original post.

Modifié par Opsrbest, 12 avril 2012 - 02:39 .


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Oh great, now tell me how you plan for an American governmental institution to fine a Canadian branch of a company for claims it made. Also, who you plan to send into the 5 to 8 year waiting period of getting the case to court, and to than convince the judge to not throw the case out, all while raking up large amounts of legal fees, and hoping to god EA doesn't drag the process out an additional 20 years.

EDIT: so it's just the same BBB story as the other, well isn't that just great, all you have to do is replace the term "govermental institution" with "grop who actually have no power at all in this matter" and it all still makes sense.

Modifié par xsdob, 12 avril 2012 - 02:38 .


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Edited for the FTC **** up. Mah bad, too many acronyms in one article :P

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There's a bit of a difference between a BBB statement and a legally-binding FTC decision, chief.

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Here are two more articles:

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

I guess word is spreading about the BBB blog.

Modifié par kbct, 12 avril 2012 - 02:38 .


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xsdob wrote...

Oh great, now tell me how you plan for an American governmental institution to fine a Canadian branch of a company for claims it made. Also, who you plan to send into the 5 to 8 year waiting period of getting the case to court, and to than convince the judge to not throw the case out, all while raking up large amounts of legal fees, and hoping to god EA doesn't drag the process out an additional 20 years.

EDIT: so it's just the same BBB story as the other, well isn't that just great, all you have to do is replace the term "govermental institution" with "grop who actually have no power at all in this matter" and it all still makes sense.


You win the wasted rant award. Heh.

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xsdob wrote...

Oh great, now tell me how you plan for an American governmental institution to fine a Canadian branch of a company for claims it made. Also, who you plan to send into the 5 to 8 year waiting period of getting the case to court, and to than convince the judge to not throw the case out, all while raking up large amounts of legal fees, and hoping to god EA doesn't drag the process out an additional 20 years.

EDIT: so it's just the same BBB story as the other, well isn't that just great, all you have to do is replace the term "govermental institution" with "grop who actually have no power at all in this matter" and it all still makes sense.


No ****e, people don't understand the court system and big corps.

Edit: curses, I'd hoped to get that past. Oh well. Point still stands.

Modifié par EternalAmbiguity, 12 avril 2012 - 02:41 .


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Bioware didn't say they had to overt choices. The reality is that all of the choices YOU made did factor in to the choice YOU made at the end. Fulfilling Bioware's promises via prophecy.

For example, I expect there is an extremely strong correlation between playing paragon/renegade and the decision chosen at the end, that means that all the choices you made did make a difference to your ending.

The argument that it didn't is fallacious.

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Jon Phoenix wrote...

Bioware didn't say they had to overt choices. The reality is that all of the choices YOU made did factor in to the choice YOU made at the end. Fulfilling Bioware's promises via prophecy.

For example, I expect there is an extremely strong correlation between playing paragon/renegade and the decision chosen at the end, that means that all the choices you made did make a difference to your ending.

The argument that it didn't is fallacious.


If you're arguing that the decisions a person makes make a difference in their own mind? Then yes, you're correct.

If you're arguing the decisions made over the course of 3 games have a tangible impact on the conclusion of the third? You're wrong.

Sorry =(

Modifié par Overule, 12 avril 2012 - 02:43 .


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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Oh great, now tell me how you plan for an American governmental institution to fine a Canadian branch of a company for claims it made. Also, who you plan to send into the 5 to 8 year waiting period of getting the case to court, and to than convince the judge to not throw the case out, all while raking up large amounts of legal fees, and hoping to god EA doesn't drag the process out an additional 20 years.

EDIT: so it's just the same BBB story as the other, well isn't that just great, all you have to do is replace the term "govermental institution" with "grop who actually have no power at all in this matter" and it all still makes sense.


No ****e, people don't understand the court system and big corps.

Edit: curses, I'd hoped to get that past. Oh well. Point still stands.

An American court can't impose anything on a Canadian Branch. They can impose it on the American version of the branch but all EA would have to do is shut down that branch and they are free to continue to ignore it. Jurisdiction is very important on things like this.

For example NCSoft and Tera.

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Overule wrote...

Jon Phoenix wrote...

Bioware didn't say they had to overt choices. The reality is that all of the choices YOU made did factor in to the choice YOU made at the end. Fulfilling Bioware's promises via prophecy.

For example, I expect there is an extremely strong correlation between playing paragon/renegade and the decision chosen at the end, that means that all the choices you made did make a difference to your ending.

The argument that it didn't is fallacious.


If you're arguing that the decisions a person makes make a difference in their own mind? Then yes, you're correct.

If you're arguing the decisions made over the course of 3 games have a tangible impact on the conclusion of the third? You're wrong.

Sorry =(


The second that Bioware demonstrates that past decisions affect War Assets and thus the EMS, which -does- have a tangible effect on the results of the final decision, the complaint is out the door from a legal standpoint.

You may not like it, but it's the truth. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 12 avril 2012 - 02:45 .


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Jon Phoenix wrote...

Bioware didn't say they had to overt choices. The reality is that all of the choices YOU made did factor in to the choice YOU made at the end. Fulfilling Bioware's promises via prophecy.

For example, I expect there is an extremely strong correlation between playing paragon/renegade and the decision chosen at the end, that means that all the choices you made did make a difference to your ending.

The argument that it didn't is fallacious.


Wow...  just...  wow...  just..  REALLY?  THAT'S what you're going with?  That the choices mattered essentially because our playstyle determined them?  WOW.  Just....  ok, I need a drink to process that statement...  Seriously, that's about the most intellectually insulting statement I've seen on these boards, period.

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Overule wrote...

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

(Forgive Andy Chalk's now -as always- slightly smug and irritating tone.)

There's where I first spotted the story. To all the people deriding the FTC complaints: HAH.

In all seriousness though, this is a pretty big step. Having *anyone* officially state promises were made and broken regarding the nature of the game by Bioware is a win for Retake/Line Holders.


It's an opinion piece, not an actual ruling. This whole thing is overblown. If this actually went to a dipsute Bioware could prove beyond reasonable doubt that there was no false advertising. This Overule cholo, along with other people with nothing better to do, just like to post negative stuff about ME3 because of 10 minutes in a great game. Guess what? They are being addressed, turns out Bioware cares about its fans, but now they are caught up in the mob mentality.... thus they are no longer fans but instigators of meaningless blabbering.

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Opsrbest wrote...

An American court can't impose anything on a Canadian Branch. They can impose it on the American version of the branch but all EA would have to do is shut down that branch and they are free to continue to ignore it. Jurisdiction is very important on things like this.

For example NCSoft and Tera.


There are so many problems with this kind of thing. Jurisdiction, representation, actual evidence of "wrongdoing," funding of defense...they really don't know what they're doing. 

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inb4 lock

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TheBlackBaron wrote...

The second that Bioware demonstrates that past decisions affect War Assets and thus the EMS, which -does- have a tangible effect on the results of the final decision, the complaint is out the door from a legal standpoint.

You may not like it, but it's the truth. 


Not for those who dont play MP. We were promised that we would be able to get the best possible ending without MP, which has been shown to be false.
So, in essence, past decisions end up not having any impact on EMS or War Assets, because no matter what we do, we cannot receive the ending we were promised.

You may not like it, but its the truth. Bioware did not deliver on what they promised.

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Advertising Review

BBB has nothing to report concerning Bioware Corp's advertising at this time.



www.bbb.org/edmonton/business-reviews/computers-system-designers-and-consultants/bioware-in-edmonton-ab-111723


just another BS flame bait thread

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 12 avril 2012 - 02:59 .


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Bogsnot wrote...

Not for those who dont play MP. We were promised that we would be able to get the best possible ending without MP, which has been shown to be false.
So, in essence, past decisions end up not having any impact on EMS or War Assets, because no matter what we do, we cannot receive the ending we were promised.

You may not like it, but its the truth. Bioware did not deliver on what they promised.


You can using that APP thing and that other game... but yeah it still sucks but MP  isn't the only way to get your EMS up... 

Modifié par Lenimph, 12 avril 2012 - 03:01 .


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Anytime you'd rather just post in one of the other many threads about this instead of opening your own, just because you HAVE to be a special little snowflake, please, feel free.

Also: inb4lock.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 12 avril 2012 - 03:02 .


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Lenimph wrote...

Bogsnot wrote...

Not for those who dont play MP. We were promised that we would be able to get the best possible ending without MP, which has been shown to be false.
So, in essence, past decisions end up not having any impact on EMS or War Assets, because no matter what we do, we cannot receive the ending we were promised.

You may not like it, but its the truth. Bioware did not deliver on what they promised.


You can using that APP thing and that other game. Which isn't MP... but yeah it still sucks but MP  isn't the only way to get your EMS up... 


The point is you can't see all the SP content if you only play SP. You have to meta game.

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Overule wrote...

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

(Forgive Andy Chalk's now -as always- slightly smug and irritating tone.)

There's where I first spotted the story. To all the people deriding the FTC complaints: HAH.

In all seriousness though, this is a pretty big step. Having *anyone* officially state promises were made and broken regarding the nature of the game by Bioware is a win for Retake/Line Holders.

OP as a reminder, you also need to edit your post.

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all those people who are saying "BBB can't touch a canadian company", that isn't the point here is it. The point here is that they did falsely advertise, and if BBB did play the game, they would also think the second bullet point is false too.

Don't grasp at straws to validate your bias.