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[thunderhawk862002]

Actually, I lodged my BBB complaint at EA and not BioWare. EA responded in about a week. . I was actually surprised EA responded since it isn't a BBB member. Still haven't gotten the answers I was seeking yet. Probably wait another week before contacting the EA rep again.

[Scott2998]

"technically yes" on a blog is not a ruling.

Posting several articles who quote the same "technically yes" blog post are not rulings either.

They're just a bunch of writers using the headline to generate page hits because they know people who are raging at EA/Bioware will flock to them. So you fell for another PR scheme. When will you ever learn?

[addiction21]

AJRimmsey wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

It was the opnion of a person that works at many of the BBB places. On the blog section.

Come back when they make an actual ruling then there might be something to it.

why bother to wait ?

Because the BBB actualy ruling that it was false advertising would mean something. It would be something real.

EA to me has been rather offensive to me as a adult gamer with some of their marketing. Deadspace "your mother would hate this" or whatever that bs was. Dantes infero and having fake religious people picketing.  Just watch http://www.penny-arc...to-ea-marketing

I also understand that a lot of these "lies" are not lies. Just what is called marketing. Making more of something then what it actually is. There are diffrences to the endings. Its not just A, B, C but how it ended up in the actual game was ****. ****ing terrible ****.

[Banelash]

False advertising is frown upon, like when coke and cigarettes were advertised as health products.

[Kuari999]

The PLC wrote...

*sigh*

"The decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome," Uh yeah, the game did that in many places. Genophage & Rannoch storylines for example.

Have you people ever taken a look at the back of a videogame cover?! Tons of CGI images and broken promises. A lot of the time, the text makes the game sound good, even if it isn't. FALSE ADVERTISING!!! Videogame companies LIE all the time! And so do every other company. The people who actually reported ME3 for false advertising should be ashamed of themselves. You got your damn ending DLC, so why don't you just shut up already? You're pathetic.

OK, you know what, I'll bit.. give me a few examples of very specific promises that CAN'T be attributed to simple opinion and amount to things like "this game is awesome!"  Seriously, go ahead, try it, because to be frank, I have not seen such undeniable and blatant lies from any other game company.  You want to resort to insults because you can't handle people legitimately complaining, put your money where your mouth is.  It flat out amazes me how a majority of those I see against those complaining can't figure out how to discuss without resorting to insults.  Frankly, that says a lot about how flimsy the argument against is.

Banelash wrote...

False advertising is frown upon, like when coke and cigarettes were advertised as health products.

Stuff like that is why there is a metric **** ton of advertising laws now, many of which are not really all that enforced.

AJRimmsey wrote...

EVEN when the BBB site clearly states they have nothing on bioware.

That section is usually for ongoing lawsuits, but yeah, I wouldn't call an F rating exactly nothing...  its pretty damn hard to get an F rating with the BBB.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 06:36 .

[Kuari999]

The PLC wrote...

"..to be frank, I have not seen such undeniable and blatant lies from any other game company."
Pretty much every developer says that their game will be good in interviews before launch. Unfortunately, lots of the turns out to be absolute garbage. That, is a lie. 

"You want to resort to insults because you can't handle people legitimately complaining, put your money where your mouth is."
You want me to 'put my money where my mouth is'? you're the one who's unsatisfied. Just sell the game, and don't buy any dlc then? Bioware won't be getting a cent from you that way. Is it really that **** hard?!

Uhh, no...  dude, seriously, you need to figure out the difference between facts and opinions.  Opinions you can pretty much say anything and its very hard to call it a lie.  "This game is good!" isn't a lie, generally, no matter how much you dislike it.  "You won't get an A, B, or C type ending" and then ending on an A, B or C note?  That can be factually proven.  That isn't a matter of opinion.

Anyways, fact of the matter is, I CAN'T sell the game, its attached to Origin and they refuse to refund my money, so I'm sort of stuck with it, but yes, if you want to insult people and you can't really back up your opinion with anything but insults?  That's pretty much just looking for a fight right there.  Do you insult people you know when you disagree with them?

[Zhuinden]

The outcome of the game is barely defined by your actions, honestly.
They lied, they're hiding, they don't admit their mistake, they deserve whatever treatment they get. I'm curious to see how this will play out.

[Eterna]

Ah yes, "sanity", we have dismissed these claims.

[xenu101]

Circle the wagons fanboys, it still won't do you any good.

The rEApers have sucked the life out of Bioware, it's a dead husk and you tools can't admit it. Another bomb like ME3 and DA2 and it's bye, bye.

[Kuari999]

The PLC wrote...
Believe it or not, but there really are games out there that are BAD. Like Big Rigs. Hell, I'll just go to my shelf and grab a random game.
GTA IV has a picture of the main character wearing fingerless gloves... those were not in the game. 
Fable 3: "A new game, every time." Well that's a lie right there, because no matter what you do, there's a lot of situations that will play out the same way, no matter what you do. Lies! I want my money back!

"Do you insult people you know when you disagree with them?" No, because people I know don't complain about trivial **** like this for weeks.

Except some people LIKE those games.  You can't confuse opinion with fact.  Not even something like Big Rigs.
GTA IV...  really?  You're trying to compare cover art to blatant statements?  Cover art is always assumed to not indicate what the game itself is.

EDIT : (On a side note, those gloves ARE in the game, so that isn't even right)

Fable 3 it isn't specific what it means by that.  It isn't a specific statement.
Also what's trivial to you isn't always trivial to others, nor vice versa.  Just like how I find it a bit silly that some people will shout at the TV during a football game, others wouldn't have it any other way.  I guarantee there is something you like that others will find trivial.  This is a fact of life.  If you bash someone because you think its trivial, then you really are just asking for any negative reaction you get.

Seriously, you don't even know the definition of false advertising, you've more then proven that with this.  False advertising has to be very specific most of the time, and BioWare was pretty damned specific with A LOT.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[fruton]

The whole "game is awesome" / not argument is not a lie, that is subjective to the person playing it.

Saying you will be able to import your character through the whole series and then releasing the third installment which prevented that happening for ALOT of people (please see the 350 odd page thread at the top of these boards) is false advertising.

Matter of opinion = not false advertising

Matter or fact = false advertising

[Kuari999]

The PLC wrote...
"Except some people LIKE those games.  You can't confuse opinion with fact.  Not even something like Big Rigs."
People LIKE a lot of stuff. Like it or not, but there is such a thing as a bad game and a bad movie. Just because a few nut jobs enjoy The Room, doesn't mean that the movie is any good. Granted, crappy movies can be fun, but it's still absolute ****.

"Cover art is always assumed to not indicate what the game itself is."
Doesnt' make it alright. They're still lying. 

"Fable 3 it isn't specific what it means by that.  It isn't a specific statement."
Yes it is. They say the game will be different each time, but it clearly isn't. I still have to do a lot of the same stuff as I did the last time. 

If I say something is awesome and you say something sucks, who is to say is right?  Good or bad when it comes to entertainment isn't something that's an absolute.  Its why the argument isn't directed towards "getting a satisfying ending" tidbit that was thrown around so much as the specifics.  You CAN'T call that false advertising, pure and simple.  That ISN'T what false advertising is.  Nor is it technically lying.  For example, The Room you said?  Made by Tommy Wiseau?  He says its a great movie.  Well he's not lying because he really thinks its great.  Nutcased or not, that's how it is, pure and simple.

Artists are going to take artistic liberties, its going to happen.  Its not something you can compare this to, pure and simple.  It just doesn't work that way.  Some details are going to be a little off.

As for Fable 3, even if things are just slightly different, its still different, thus why specifics are necessary for it to be false advertising and not some overblown PR speak.  The devil's in the details as they say, or at least I think that's how it goes.

People know this, people understand this, and the law accepts this.  Can one disagree with it? Absolutely, but overall, this is what the majority considers acceptable.  BioWare however stepped onto grounds which a VERY large portion find unacceptable, and is legally questionable.  Now granted, no court would take the case seriously, buuut customers sure as hell will.  For reasons beyond the false advertising as well (such as a betrayal to the franchise on the scale of one of Conan Doyle's biggest blunders), but there it is.  You don't have to like it, but you need to stop comparing it to what its not.  At this point you can take it or leave it.

[Korubrus]

Jon Phoenix wrote...

Bioware didn't say they had to overt choices. The reality is that all of the choices YOU made did factor in to the choice YOU made at the end. Fulfilling Bioware's promises via prophecy.

For example, I expect there is an extremely strong correlation between playing paragon/renegade and the decision chosen at the end, that means that all the choices you made did make a difference to your ending.

The argument that it didn't is fallacious.

*"Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios."

Radically different ending scenarios. My interpretation of this is that the endings would be very different, almost unrecognisable from the last depending on your decisions and choices made.
The endings were slightly altered from one another, the most extreme alteration being the colour spewed from the relays.

I am upset with the ending because they use a word like "radical", use that word to get people's attention - and fail to deliver. Being a big coorporation they consider it ok to advertise carelessly to get more sales. 
If they had told me "Our endings will be almost identical regardless of what you choose!" I would have watched a "Lets Play" on YouTube - THEN bought the game for $10 in 6 months time from the discount bin!
In oppose to preordering, getting all the fancy add-ons and doo-dads spending $99.95!

[Korubrus]

The PLC wrote...

The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.

I beg to differ. Based on the reaction - it would appear the mass of people disagree with that.

You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered.

I do not care if big ben is destroyed, honestly its not a major concern to me, I can sleep knowing big ben was demolished by a red light - it is irrelevant to the mass effect saga.

To make that statement true you would have to SHOW us HOW things are different. At best they suggested that "Perhaps... Maybe... Possibly" things are different. Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices - you cannot advertise closure and a black-and-white ending then deliver conjecture!

[BellatrixLugosi]

The PLC wrote...

The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.

The ending isn't what the retakers want so it doesn't matter to them.  Besides they will tear apart what you say and probably say that's "Subjective"

[BellatrixLugosi]

HA I WAS RIGHT...man i should of waited longer to post then

[Korubrus]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

HA I WAS RIGHT...man i should of waited longer to post then

Yes you should have:)

[BellatrixLugosi]

Ya, next time I will just post quickly, rather then go and get some tea. that precious minute.........