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The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.


I beg to differ. Based on the reaction - it would appear the mass of people disagree with that.

You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered.

I do not care if big ben is destroyed, honestly its not a major concern to me, I can sleep knowing big ben was demolished by a red light - it is irrelevant to the mass effect saga.

To make that statement true you would have to SHOW us HOW things are different. At best they suggested that "Perhaps... Maybe... Possibly" things are different. Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices - you cannot advertise closure and a black-and-white ending then deliver conjecture!

"You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered."
Well, they never show Shepard taking a dump or eating, so I guess we can't be sure he does those things either. Bioware don't have to SHOW everything. If you know just a little bit about the universe, you know what consequences some of the endings would have. I agree that they could have shown it, but it really wouldn't make a difference to me. 

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Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices "
But they will?



Again is comes down to their advertisements. The reasonable man theory is "What would a regular person think about this".

The fact that such a massive portion of the people you purchased ME3 is upset about it does suggest the ending did not reasonably match the ending we were promised with the advertisements.

"Mass Effect 3 will offer a satisfying end to the mass effect saga". It did not, no one can say it did because it was so subjective. You cannot with any satisfaction say you know what happened to anyone - even Shepard's last breath - does he live? Where is he? How did he survive?
He is the main character and you dont even know what happends to him - let alone squadmates, other main characters etc etc.
Satisfying? Hell no
"Radically different endings"? Definantly not, they are altered slightly with absolutely NO perspective of how the ending had effected the mass effect universe.

Edit:
(Thats not to say they didn't have a massive effect on the universe) It is to say that the ENDINGS we got were not massively different!
The massivly different endings were promised - not the suggestion that everything in the universe is different.

Modifié par Korubrus, 12 avril 2012 - 08:05 .


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Another article... this is gathering speed!

http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

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Nah, this is not gathering speed at all. Everyone is just facepalming at the stupidity of this whole thing, and it will all be forgotten in a week.

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Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.


I beg to differ. Based on the reaction - it would appear the mass of people disagree with that.

You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered.

I do not care if big ben is destroyed, honestly its not a major concern to me, I can sleep knowing big ben was demolished by a red light - it is irrelevant to the mass effect saga.

To make that statement true you would have to SHOW us HOW things are different. At best they suggested that "Perhaps... Maybe... Possibly" things are different. Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices - you cannot advertise closure and a black-and-white ending then deliver conjecture!

"You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered."
Well, they never show Shepard taking a dump or eating, so I guess we can't be sure he does those things either. Bioware don't have to SHOW everything. If you know just a little bit about the universe, you know what consequences some of the endings would have. I agree that they could have shown it, but it really wouldn't make a difference to me. 

"
Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices "
But they will?



Again is comes down to their advertisements. The reasonable man theory is "What would a regular person think about this".

The fact that such a massive portion of the people you purchased ME3 is upset about it does suggest the ending did not reasonably match the ending we were promised with the advertisements.

"Mass Effect 3 will offer a satisfying end to the mass effect saga". It did not, no one can say it did because it was so subjective. You cannot with any satisfaction say you know what happened to anyone - even Shepard's last breath - does he live? Where is he? How did he survive?
He is the main character and you dont even know what happends to him - let alone squadmates, other main characters etc etc.
Satisfying? Hell no
"Radically different endings"? Definantly not, they are altered slightly with absolutely NO perspective of how the ending had effected the mass effect universe.

Edit:
(Thats not to say they didn't have a massive effect on the universe) It is to say that the ENDINGS we got were not massively different!
The massivly different endings were promised - not the suggestion that everything in the universe is different.


Well, Bioware is giving you guys a free dlc...........but you're still very angry, I guess to us people that just like the game we just want to know where line is drawn with you guys,  because even with this annoucement, you guys are foaming at the mouth.  And so far you guys seem waaaaaay too happy about this BBB issue.

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So the proponents of this thing still live with their parents right? Anybody else wouldn't have the time or lack of better things to do.

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BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.


I beg to differ. Based on the reaction - it would appear the mass of people disagree with that.

You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered.

I do not care if big ben is destroyed, honestly its not a major concern to me, I can sleep knowing big ben was demolished by a red light - it is irrelevant to the mass effect saga.

To make that statement true you would have to SHOW us HOW things are different. At best they suggested that "Perhaps... Maybe... Possibly" things are different. Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices - you cannot advertise closure and a black-and-white ending then deliver conjecture!

"You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered."
Well, they never show Shepard taking a dump or eating, so I guess we can't be sure he does those things either. Bioware don't have to SHOW everything. If you know just a little bit about the universe, you know what consequences some of the endings would have. I agree that they could have shown it, but it really wouldn't make a difference to me. 

"
Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices "
But they will?



Again is comes down to their advertisements. The reasonable man theory is "What would a regular person think about this".

The fact that such a massive portion of the people you purchased ME3 is upset about it does suggest the ending did not reasonably match the ending we were promised with the advertisements.

"Mass Effect 3 will offer a satisfying end to the mass effect saga". It did not, no one can say it did because it was so subjective. You cannot with any satisfaction say you know what happened to anyone - even Shepard's last breath - does he live? Where is he? How did he survive?
He is the main character and you dont even know what happends to him - let alone squadmates, other main characters etc etc.
Satisfying? Hell no
"Radically different endings"? Definantly not, they are altered slightly with absolutely NO perspective of how the ending had effected the mass effect universe.

Edit:
(Thats not to say they didn't have a massive effect on the universe) It is to say that the ENDINGS we got were not massively different!
The massivly different endings were promised - not the suggestion that everything in the universe is different.


Well, Bioware is giving you guys a free dlc...........but you're still very angry, I guess to us people that just like the game we just want to know where line is drawn with you guys,  because even with this annoucement, you guys are foaming at the mouth.  And so far you guys seem waaaaaay too happy about this BBB issue.



A free DLC after I'm already down $99.95. To just 'expand' on the endings we got?
Well thats great, and I'm happy for it - but dont expect that it will be able to explain space magic or god child. It has me worried.

To have a game that was so well done - and it was virtually perfect. Then to have it turn to such a poor ending - I've said it before but it was like they got to work and thaught "stuff this, lets get this over with and go on holidays".

I know if they spent another 1-2 months on it they wouldn't have gone with that ending. (I hope to god-child they wouldn't have anyway)!

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So the proponents of this thing still live with their parents right? Anybody else wouldn't have the time or lack of better things to do.


So now you go at personal attacks to the people not happy with the ending... Seriously you are going to stoop to that level?

Modifié par Korubrus, 12 avril 2012 - 08:24 .


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Korubrus wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.


I beg to differ. Based on the reaction - it would appear the mass of people disagree with that.

You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered.

I do not care if big ben is destroyed, honestly its not a major concern to me, I can sleep knowing big ben was demolished by a red light - it is irrelevant to the mass effect saga.

To make that statement true you would have to SHOW us HOW things are different. At best they suggested that "Perhaps... Maybe... Possibly" things are different. Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices - you cannot advertise closure and a black-and-white ending then deliver conjecture!

"You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered."
Well, they never show Shepard taking a dump or eating, so I guess we can't be sure he does those things either. Bioware don't have to SHOW everything. If you know just a little bit about the universe, you know what consequences some of the endings would have. I agree that they could have shown it, but it really wouldn't make a difference to me. 

"
Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices "
But they will?



Again is comes down to their advertisements. The reasonable man theory is "What would a regular person think about this".

The fact that such a massive portion of the people you purchased ME3 is upset about it does suggest the ending did not reasonably match the ending we were promised with the advertisements.

"Mass Effect 3 will offer a satisfying end to the mass effect saga". It did not, no one can say it did because it was so subjective. You cannot with any satisfaction say you know what happened to anyone - even Shepard's last breath - does he live? Where is he? How did he survive?
He is the main character and you dont even know what happends to him - let alone squadmates, other main characters etc etc.
Satisfying? Hell no
"Radically different endings"? Definantly not, they are altered slightly with absolutely NO perspective of how the ending had effected the mass effect universe.

Edit:
(Thats not to say they didn't have a massive effect on the universe) It is to say that the ENDINGS we got were not massively different!
The massivly different endings were promised - not the suggestion that everything in the universe is different.


Well, Bioware is giving you guys a free dlc...........but you're still very angry, I guess to us people that just like the game we just want to know where line is drawn with you guys,  because even with this annoucement, you guys are foaming at the mouth.  And so far you guys seem waaaaaay too happy about this BBB issue.



A free DLC after I'm already down $99.95. To just 'expand' on the endings we got?
Well thats great, and I'm happy for it - but dont expect that it will be able to explain space magic or god child. It has me worried.

To have a game that was so well done - and it was virtually perfect. Then to have it turn to such a poor ending - I've said it before but it was like they got to work and thaught "stuff this, lets get this over with and go on holidays".

I know if they spent another 1-2 months on it they wouldn't have gone with that ending. (I hope to god-child they wouldn't have anyway)!


  I asked you where is the line drawn with you guys, and what does it take to satisfy you and calm you're camp down while Bioware is putting out a DLC for you.   Not about your finances or hypothesis about what bioware was doing/thinking while making the endings.

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BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

The PLC wrote...

The state you leave the galaxy in will be wildly different based on your choices. Especially the ending choice. They didn't lie.


I beg to differ. Based on the reaction - it would appear the mass of people disagree with that.

You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered.

I do not care if big ben is destroyed, honestly its not a major concern to me, I can sleep knowing big ben was demolished by a red light - it is irrelevant to the mass effect saga.

To make that statement true you would have to SHOW us HOW things are different. At best they suggested that "Perhaps... Maybe... Possibly" things are different. Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices - you cannot advertise closure and a black-and-white ending then deliver conjecture!

"You choose the colour of explosion. Everything else is subjective - as in, the never actually show the result of anything else - how can I be sure anything else is changes/altered."
Well, they never show Shepard taking a dump or eating, so I guess we can't be sure he does those things either. Bioware don't have to SHOW everything. If you know just a little bit about the universe, you know what consequences some of the endings would have. I agree that they could have shown it, but it really wouldn't make a difference to me. 

"
Not good enough when the promise is that things "WILL" be different depending on choices "
But they will?



Again is comes down to their advertisements. The reasonable man theory is "What would a regular person think about this".

The fact that such a massive portion of the people you purchased ME3 is upset about it does suggest the ending did not reasonably match the ending we were promised with the advertisements.

"Mass Effect 3 will offer a satisfying end to the mass effect saga". It did not, no one can say it did because it was so subjective. You cannot with any satisfaction say you know what happened to anyone - even Shepard's last breath - does he live? Where is he? How did he survive?
He is the main character and you dont even know what happends to him - let alone squadmates, other main characters etc etc.
Satisfying? Hell no
"Radically different endings"? Definantly not, they are altered slightly with absolutely NO perspective of how the ending had effected the mass effect universe.

Edit:
(Thats not to say they didn't have a massive effect on the universe) It is to say that the ENDINGS we got were not massively different!
The massivly different endings were promised - not the suggestion that everything in the universe is different.


Well, Bioware is giving you guys a free dlc...........but you're still very angry, I guess to us people that just like the game we just want to know where line is drawn with you guys,  because even with this annoucement, you guys are foaming at the mouth.  And so far you guys seem waaaaaay too happy about this BBB issue.



A free DLC after I'm already down $99.95. To just 'expand' on the endings we got?
Well thats great, and I'm happy for it - but dont expect that it will be able to explain space magic or god child. It has me worried.

To have a game that was so well done - and it was virtually perfect. Then to have it turn to such a poor ending - I've said it before but it was like they got to work and thaught "stuff this, lets get this over with and go on holidays".

I know if they spent another 1-2 months on it they wouldn't have gone with that ending. (I hope to god-child they wouldn't have anyway)!


  I asked you where is the line drawn with you guys, and what does it take to satisfy you and calm you're camp down while Bioware is putting out a DLC for you.   Not about your finances or hypothesis about what bioware was doing/thinking while making the endings.



I can only speak for myself. What I want is an ENDING that

1) Makes sence (This is important for a sci-fi game to explain how things are possible, not to just throw in 'space magic' and ask us to 'deal with it'.

2)Closure. I want to know what happends to the universe, not just come up with theories as to what might of happened. Bioware's twitter is saying the God Child possibly lied to us - HOW ON EARTH ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT? Nothing suggests this!!! How can I decide upon an a A B or C choice if the god-child is full of it?!? What am I actually doing when I pick B?!?

3)We were promised NO A, B or C endings! We got that anyway!

4)Give us MASSIVELY different endings - not Wild suggestions on what 'could possibly happen if you have a good imagination'.

At the end of the day I want what the advertisements said and what was promised by Hudson in the interviews.
Unfortunantly 'clarifying' the A B C ending will not provide this, but I will be flexible and be happy if it explains what happends AFTER i've destroyed the relays.

A B C ending - I will live with that
Each "Ending" being identical - I will live with that too.
But the prologue has to be expanded and different to show the choices made.

Considering the "No ABC Ending" and "Each ending being massively different" were the two MAIN selling points for me on this game - I will give them up for the sake of me loving Bioware as much as I do, and will accept a decent prologue.

Edit:
I forgot to mention; fix up the plot holes is also important. Which is going to be a task on its own. Explain the god-child to me, and how come it didn't just open the citadel or alert the Keepers in ME1 after the Protheans sabotaged the keeper's signal to the Reapers. 
Despite the flexibility on the two main selling points - I still think its an uphill battle to cover the plot holes and explain 'every question' they created in the last 5 minuits.

Modifié par Korubrus, 12 avril 2012 - 08:55 .


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Korubrus wrote...

super snip
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I am with you on that one bro.
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to all who are dissing this, its obvious you are those sheeps that believe their brand loyalty is always right. When a real issue appears, your stubborness prevents you from seeing the issue and immediately you will troll people by saying they are basement dwellers in their parent's home etc etc.

Grow up and welcome to the real world, where companies will not get away with false claims like they used too, as more informative and smarter people will make sure of that. Not the sheeps.

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fruton wrote...

The whole "game is awesome" / not argument is not a lie, that is subjective to the person playing it.

Saying you will be able to import your character through the whole series and then releasing the third installment which prevented that happening for ALOT of people (please see the 350 odd page thread at the top of these boards) is false advertising.

Matter of opinion = not false advertising

Matter or fact = false advertising


An unforeseen technical issue which they are working on to fix is not false advertising. It would be if they said on the box there would be no bugs or issues with the game ever.

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Regardless of the BBBs push and power its still publicity. Bad publicity. Something EA//Bioware has had quite enough of by now.

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Farbautisonn wrote...

Regardless of the BBBs push and power its still publicity. Bad publicity. Something EA//Bioware has had quite enough of by now.


Exactly. Look at the articles so far after one day:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

None of the articles are trying to discredit the BBB like some people are doing here. They are simply reporting the news. It's not good when someone at the BBB says EA/BioWare needs to clean up their act.

Also, this was in one article:

EA was recently voted the worst company in America by over 250,000 people. This probably isn't going to help.

These types of things will follow EA/BioWare for a long time. In a negative way.

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As long as the bad publicity keeps hitting, I'll be happy.

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MrTijger wrote...

fruton wrote...

The whole "game is awesome" / not argument is not a lie, that is subjective to the person playing it.

Saying you will be able to import your character through the whole series and then releasing the third installment which prevented that happening for ALOT of people (please see the 350 odd page thread at the top of these boards) is false advertising.

Matter of opinion = not false advertising

Matter or fact = false advertising


An unforeseen technical issue which they are working on to fix is not false advertising. It would be if they said on the box there would be no bugs or issues with the game ever.


There was a perfect window of opportunity for Bioware/EA to take the intiative and announce that an issue like that was in the game and that they'd be working on it. What they did was a turn a blind eye until the consumers got up in arms. That was on them.

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As long as the bad publicity keeps hitting, I'll be happy.


About EA yes, about BW no.

I would like to see BW to become what they were.
They made great games, I want them to do that again and again.
The choices BW makes now are just wrong, the advertising, the handling regarding their fans, etc.
But I don't want to see BW go down, I just hope they learn from all this (maybe in vain) and get back to what they are good at.

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I really hope someone with enough money takes them to court, or something happens, because there are a lot of gaming companies now a days that get away with a lot of things short of murder. No other industry can get away with false advertising, except the video gaming industry, they seem to be immune, which is ridiculous.

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I just read another one of the articles about the BBB statement and thought this was interesting:

"In a recent article (here), Daily Gaming Network commented on the sense of entitlement that gamers now have, specifically in relation to the Mass Effect 3 ending and the demand that developers Bioware change it. At the time I, as the writer, had not seen the ending to Mass Effect 3. Since writing it, I have completed the game with what many would consider to be the ‘perfect’ ending – and it’s absolutely awful."

Now the writer understands. The ending is "absolutely awful." I think this has been a major problem with a number of articles. They report on the story without experiencing the ending.

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mmm buddah23 wrote...

I really hope someone with enough money takes them to court, or something happens, because there are a lot of gaming companies now a days that get away with a lot of things short of murder. No other industry can get away with false advertising, except the video gaming industry, they seem to be immune, which is ridiculous.


That's not true. The entire entertainment industry is all about lying.
I mean, they advertise the new Spider-man origin movie as "THE UNTOLD STORY!".

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kbct wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Regardless of the BBBs push and power its still publicity. Bad publicity. Something EA//Bioware has had quite enough of by now.


Exactly. Look at the articles so far after one day:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

None of the articles are trying to discredit the BBB like some people are doing here. They are simply reporting the news. It's not good when someone at the BBB says EA/BioWare needs to clean up their act.

Also, this was in one article:

EA was recently voted the worst company in America by over 250,000 people. This probably isn't going to help.

These types of things will follow EA/BioWare for a long time. In a negative way.

 

Could you please link an article that quoted an official statement by the BBB instead of an employee's blog?

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Nah, this is not gathering speed at all. Everyone is just facepalming at the stupidity of this whole thing, and it will all be forgotten in a week.


-Ive been hearing alot of those predictions in the last couple of months...

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Farbautisonn wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Nah, this is not gathering speed at all. Everyone is just facepalming at the stupidity of this whole thing, and it will all be forgotten in a week.


-Ive been hearing alot of those predictions in the last couple of months...

I heard that ALOT at the beginning to, but it continued for a month, and shows little chance of slowing down or stopping.

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Korubrus wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

So the proponents of this thing still live with their parents right? Anybody else wouldn't have the time or lack of better things to do.


So now you go at personal attacks to the people not happy with the ending... Seriously you are going to stoop to that level?


You people have been insulting and attacking 'pro enders' for weeks. Why should he care about 'respect' anymore?

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Adanu wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

So the proponents of this thing still live with their parents right? Anybody else wouldn't have the time or lack of better things to do.


So now you go at personal attacks to the people not happy with the ending... Seriously you are going to stoop to that level?


You people have been insulting and attacking 'pro enders' for weeks. Why should he care about 'respect' anymore?

That statement goes both ways,
As for the parents thing, some sure, but all or even most, of coarse not.