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[mmm buddah23]

paptschik wrote...

mmm buddah23 wrote...

I really hope someone with enough money takes them to court, or something happens, because there are a lot of gaming companies now a days that get away with a lot of things short of murder. No other industry can get away with false advertising, except the video gaming industry, they seem to be immune, which is ridiculous.

That's not true. The entire entertainment industry is all about lying.
I mean, they advertise the new Spider-man origin movie as "THE UNTOLD STORY!".

There are few and far between incidents with the movie industry with false advertising, but with the gaming industry, it is a HUGE problem, lets take a look at gears of war 3, they promised dedicated servers, but now they say you only get dedicated servers if you purchased the newest dlc. This is not a small issue, this is becoming quite prevelant in the gaming industry, and if nothing is done about it, the games will end up being nothing like the advertisements say. Which would be even worse than now. There needs to be consequences.

[kbct]

Scott2998 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Regardless of the BBBs push and power its still publicity. Bad publicity. Something EA//Bioware has had quite enough of by now.

Exactly. Look at the articles so far after one day:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

None of the articles are trying to discredit the BBB like some people are doing here. They are simply reporting the news. It's not good when someone at the BBB says EA/BioWare needs to clean up their act.

Also, this was in one article:

EA was recently voted the worst company in America by over 250,000 people. This probably isn't going to help.

These types of things will follow EA/BioWare for a long time. In a negative way.

 

Could you please link an article that quoted an official statement by the BBB instead of an employee's blog?

You should go chase down all the writers that are publishing articles on the story. Most of the articles say it's from an opinion blog written by a BBB director of marketplace services. No legal action has been taken yet.

BBB is scolding EA/BioWare and telling them to get their sh!t together.

I guess you're happy with all the misstatements BioWare has made over the last couple months:

http://social.biowar.../index/10204263

[mmm buddah23]

kbct wrote...

Scott2998 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Regardless of the BBBs push and power its still publicity. Bad publicity. Something EA//Bioware has had quite enough of by now.

Exactly. Look at the articles so far after one day:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

None of the articles are trying to discredit the BBB like some people are doing here. They are simply reporting the news. It's not good when someone at the BBB says EA/BioWare needs to clean up their act.

Also, this was in one article:

EA was recently voted the worst company in America by over 250,000 people. This probably isn't going to help.

These types of things will follow EA/BioWare for a long time. In a negative way.

 

Could you please link an article that quoted an official statement by the BBB instead of an employee's blog?

You should go chase down all the writers that are publishing articles on the story. Most of the articles say it's from an opinion blog written by a BBB director of marketplace services. No legal action has been taken yet.

BBB is scolding EA/BioWare and telling them to get their sh!t together.

I guess you're happy with all the misstatements BioWare has made over the last couple months:

http://social.biowar.../index/10204263

The BBB should get together with all gaming companies, because they all need a lesson in better business practices lately.

[paptschik]

slyguy200 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Nah, this is not gathering speed at all. Everyone is just facepalming at the stupidity of this whole thing, and it will all be forgotten in a week.

-Ive been hearing alot of those predictions in the last couple of months...

I heard that ALOT at the beginning to, but it continued for a month, and shows little chance of slowing down or stopping.

This will go on for a while, both sides will continue to yell at each other, but I do think those not extremely passionate about this (meaning, the kind of people that come here), no matter which side, have started to ignore this issue a while ago. many that dislike the ending simply say they dislike it and will be more critical/careful with Bioware in the future. Many who liked the ending simply don't care about what people online say.  Both go on with their lives. It's just people like us that keep this such a major talking point, but I do think we're a minority. By that I don't mean people liking or disliking the ending, what I mean is people so invested that they keep discussing this on and on and on - again, ignoring which side they're on. Whether that's good or bad is another matter, i guess passionate fans that complain are better than people going "eh, so I won't by the next game, whatever, so what's new this week?"

[paptschik]

mmm buddah23 wrote...

paptschik wrote...

mmm buddah23 wrote...

I really hope someone with enough money takes them to court, or something happens, because there are a lot of gaming companies now a days that get away with a lot of things short of murder. No other industry can get away with false advertising, except the video gaming industry, they seem to be immune, which is ridiculous.

That's not true. The entire entertainment industry is all about lying.
I mean, they advertise the new Spider-man origin movie as "THE UNTOLD STORY!".

There are few and far between incidents with the movie industry with false advertising, but with the gaming industry, it is a HUGE problem, lets take a look at gears of war 3, they promised dedicated servers, but now they say you only get dedicated servers if you purchased the newest dlc. This is not a small issue, this is becoming quite prevelant in the gaming industry, and if nothing is done about it, the games will end up being nothing like the advertisements say. Which would be even worse than now. There needs to be consequences.

Well....something like that - is that advertisement or simply an announcement? Here we have the problem that these thing we take issues with, the general public never sees them. I mean...was it false advertisement that Marvel said Thor 2 would be directed by Patty Jenkins and now it's not? What about Guillermo del Toro and the Hobbit? Was it false advertisement that X-Men First class, depending on who you'd ask at which point, was definitely in continuity with the old films or not or kinda or whatever but the end product was a great film where nobody new how the hell what is supposed to fit in with what now?

The problem here is often that when certain things are said, I have little doubt the people have the intention to do as they said, but in the end things didn't turn out as planned. What developers need to do more is just shut up. That way we wouldn't be as disappointed by cancelled game after cancelled game either.
Unlike films, game news is HUGELY based on what is said to us...and much less on just a trailer or two. That's the thing that is a problem. Things should only ever be said if they are already in the game, just so there's no risk of ending up with a situation where you can't pull it off or don't have enough time etc...it is a very complicated matter.

[mmm buddah23]

paptschik wrote...

mmm buddah23 wrote...

paptschik wrote...

mmm buddah23 wrote...

I really hope someone with enough money takes them to court, or something happens, because there are a lot of gaming companies now a days that get away with a lot of things short of murder. No other industry can get away with false advertising, except the video gaming industry, they seem to be immune, which is ridiculous.

That's not true. The entire entertainment industry is all about lying.
I mean, they advertise the new Spider-man origin movie as "THE UNTOLD STORY!".

There are few and far between incidents with the movie industry with false advertising, but with the gaming industry, it is a HUGE problem, lets take a look at gears of war 3, they promised dedicated servers, but now they say you only get dedicated servers if you purchased the newest dlc. This is not a small issue, this is becoming quite prevelant in the gaming industry, and if nothing is done about it, the games will end up being nothing like the advertisements say. Which would be even worse than now. There needs to be consequences.

Well....something like that - is that advertisement or simply an announcement? Here we have the problem that these thing we take issues with, the general public never sees them. I mean...was it false advertisement that Marvel said Thor 2 would be directed by Patty Jenkins and now it's not? What about Guillermo del Toro and the Hobbit? Was it false advertisement that X-Men First class, depending on who you'd ask at which point, was definitely in continuity with the old films or not or kinda or whatever but the end product was a great film where nobody new how the hell what is supposed to fit in with what now?

The problem here is often that when certain things are said, I have little doubt the people have the intention to do as they said, but in the end things didn't turn out as planned. What developers need to do more is just shut up. That way we wouldn't be as disappointed by cancelled game after cancelled game either.
Unlike films, game news is HUGELY based on what is said to us...and much less on just a trailer or two. That's the thing that is a problem. Things should only ever be said if they are already in the game, just so there's no risk of ending up with a situation where you can't pull it off or don't have enough time etc...it is a very complicated matter.

Agreed, they should NEVER announce something until it is set in stone. And I digress on the movie issue, im just not a movie buff, so i never knew these things, so they need attention from the BBB as well.

[dfstone]

I think its pretty awesome that Mass Effect is so popular that even the Better Business Bureau is chiming in on the controversy.

[bluewolv1970]

Jon Phoenix wrote...

Bioware didn't say they had to overt choices. The reality is that all of the choices YOU made did factor in to the choice YOU made at the end. Fulfilling Bioware's promises via prophecy.

For example, I expect there is an extremely strong correlation between playing paragon/renegade and the decision chosen at the end, that means that all the choices you made did make a difference to your ending.

The argument that it didn't is fallacious.

Case Hudson - "we do not want ending choices to be A,B, or C"

Ending choices - A,B, or C

[mebtru]

It's weird when people complain about a Company that Bioware/EA PAID, to review them, yes they have to pay so that company give them a qualification.

And about false advertisement, it has been said since the beginning, there are multiples Interviews/Post/Blogs/Video where the creators of the game talk about how the game will be, and the majority did not become true, so yeah they FALSE Advertised.

And you people need to remember ME3 is a product, if you buy a Apple Juice, and they sell you water you have the right to complain, no matter if its a Game/toy/medicine/Food, at the end its a product and as a costumer you have rights.

[Farbautisonn]

dfstone wrote...

I think its pretty awesome that Mass Effect is so unpopular that even the Better Business Bureau is chiming in on the controversy.

-Fixed.

[Scott2998]

You should go chase down all the writers that are publishing articles on the story. Most of the articles say it's from an opinion blog written by a BBB director of marketplace services. No legal action has been taken yet.

I seriously doubt anything is going to come of this.

A blogger who works for the BBB is scolding EA/BioWare and telling them to get their sh!t together.

Fixed that one for you.

I guess you're happy with all the misstatements BioWare has made over the last couple months:

http://social.biowar.../index/10204263

I don't see where you get that from my question, but ok. 

My point is this blogger and these articles are just using the topic to generate hits.  They knew that with all the rage people would flock to a heading, "EA/Bioware guilty of false advertising" rather than "Blogger who works for BBB believes EA/Bioware is guilty of false advertising."

Essentially you're falling for the same thing you're mad at EA/Bioware for, again.

Modifié par Scott2998, 12 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[kbct]

Scott2998 wrote...

I seriously doubt anything is going to come of this.

It's the drip, drip, drip of bad publicity. It creeps into people's brains.

Scott2998 wrote...

Fixed that one for you.

I said this: BBB is scolding EA/BioWare and telling them to get their sh!t together.

The blogger is not an intern. She's a Director of Communications at BBB.

Do you believe what Hudson, the director of ME3, says? What about Gamble, the associate producer? 

Scott2998 wrote...

My point is this blogger and these articles are just using the topic to generate hits. They knew that with all the rage people would flock to a heading, "EA/Bioware guilty of false advertising" rather than "Blogger who works for BBB believes EA/Bioware is guilty of false advertising."

Essentially you're falling for the same thing you're mad at EA/Bioware for, again.

Or, what if there is some truth to the false advertising claim?

Modifié par kbct, 12 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[AJRimmsey]

Advertising Review

BBB has nothing to report concerning Bioware Corp's advertising at this time.

www.bbb.org/edmonton/business-reviews/computers-system-designers-and-consultants/bioware-in-edmonton-ab-111723

nobody checks facts here

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 12 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[Banelash]

If they take all the interviews that they did, alot of it were false promises. And I'm not talking about them saying their game is good, but actual absolute promises like "no ABC ending".

On another note. Why isn't this thread locked? not related to ME stuff moderator.

Modifié par Banelash, 12 avril 2012 - 03:22 .

[kbct]

Banelash wrote...

If they take all the interviews that they did, alot of it were false promises. And I'm not talking about them saying their game is good, but actual absolute promises like "no ABC ending".

On another note. Why isn't this thread locked? not related to ME stuff moderator.

It's definitely related to ME3. The false adversting comment relates to ME3 advertising. Also, BioWare employees have commented in these threads.

[Adanu]

slyguy200 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Korubrus wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

So the proponents of this thing still live with their parents right? Anybody else wouldn't have the time or lack of better things to do.

So now you go at personal attacks to the people not happy with the ending... Seriously you are going to stoop to that level?

You people have been insulting and attacking 'pro enders' for weeks. Why should he care about 'respect' anymore?

That statement goes both ways,
As for the parents thing, some sure, but all or even most, of coarse not.

Oh really, when practically every youtube comment saying someone likes the ending is flagged as spam and 'pro ending' type threads are buried in  trolls every. single. time, you're actually going to post that it goes both ways?

Get real, anti ending people on the internet are FAR more vindictive.

[Scott2998]

It's the drip, drip, drip of bad publicity. It creeps into people's brains.

Which some people buy into and some people don't.  Personally, I don't base my opinions on blogs or articles about blogs. 

I said this: BBB is scolding EA/BioWare and telling them to get their sh!t together.

The blogger is not an intern. She's a Director of Communications at BBB.

Do you believe what Hudson, the director of ME3, says? What about Gamble, the associate producer? 

Apples to oranges.

Also, at which point does she state that she saw the endings for herself?  This is the same type of statement that came out on Fox News when ME1 came out.  Where the supposed expert stated ME1 contained explicit sexual images and a literal "press X for sex" button, without even playing the game.

Or, what if there is some truth to the false advertising claim?

Then at some point the FTC will make an official statement.  Which they havn't, but I'm sure they will take the Director of Communications' blog under consideration.

[slimgrin]

First of all, I hate how all these gaming publications are just scrambling to find anything they can to keep the controversy alive. 90% of these gaming sites are a complete joke. Second, the Escapist sucks. This whole thing has been so blown out of proportion, and in the end Bioware may just end up profiting from it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 12 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[Xoahr]

http://www.destructo...-3-225725.phtml

another one.

[Dakota Strider]

(reposting from a similar thread)

People that protest that noone should take action for a $60 to $80 video game, I would like to know where you draw the line.

If the manufacturer of the computer or console that you played the video game on, did not deliver in their promise to give you a machine that did everything needed to run the video game properly, would you not complain? Or would you say, its just for games, its not important. ?

Is there a certain price where you say it is alright to complain? Where do you draw the line? You seem to be drawing the line at entertainment, would someone with a faulty sports car be unable to sue, under your system? Or how about someone that bought a faulty hang glider? Both of those items, afterall, were made for entertainment.

If a person, or a company (and a company is nothing more than a collection of persons) makes a product, or provides a service, and receives financial compensation for providing it, then they are certainly liable if they do not deliver on their promises for the product or service. The price of the product does not matter, as it is all relative. The purpose of the item does not matter. Afterall, one person's entertainment, may be another person's stress release/therapy.

[Kuari999]

slimgrin wrote...

First of all, I hate how all these gaming publications are just scrambling to find anything they can to keep the controversy alive. 90% of these gaming sites are a complete joke. Second, the Escapist sucks. This whole thing has been so blown out of proportion, and in the end Bioware may just end up profiting from it.

For them to profit off it, they'd have to fix things, so I wouldn't mind them profitting off it.  Bad publicity isn't going to lead to swarms of people buying the game. Also it hasn't been blown out of proportion, its a major gaming issue.  Now if it ended up on national news as a top story or something ridiculous like that, you'd have a point, but you gotta expect that big gaming news would get alot of coverage from gaming sites.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 04:21 .