liggy002 wrote...
Orange Tee wrote...
These are just my thoughts on the Indoctrination Theory (IDT) and what I think is really going on. BW hasn't been denying or confirming IDT and they've been winking at it occasionally, which I find odd, but I now believe they're saying this because it is partly true with what we've pieced together, but calling the entire thing a dream, is completely wrong or else they'd be alluding to it more in their responses.
So, has anyone truly considered that none of it was a dream but still indoctrination? Maybe Shep WAS indoc'd the whole time during the Citadel bit? Maybe it's that stupid little Starchild that never existed? Think about it, when has the kid EVER existed? Shepard thinks the kid actually existed (we all know he never existed), then he sees the kids shuttle explode, then the kid haunts his dreams and then next time Shepard sees the kid is a ghost... How would anything or anyone else but Shepard know what this kid looks or sounds like? This is a projection of Shepards mind, nothing else, which is why the whole Starchild AI controlling reapers doesn't make sense.
I think the kid was just the indoc'd part of Shep trying to convince him/herself into not destroying the reapers and considering the options that two previously indoc'd villans thought was the answer. (synthesis, Saren and control, TIM). This would make so much more sense of why Shep doesn't question the situation like he usually would and why femShep and maleShep voice actors are used in the background when the kid talks...
Javik himself says indoc'd agents of his time believed control was the only option in winning. I refuse to believe ME's/BW's incredible writers just ****ed up and lied this badly on previously established proofs and massive hints...
I haven't really noticed anyone make the connection that the ideals of synthesis and control both result in death to Shepard, exactly the same fate as Saren and TIM, only giving more evidence towards them both being false ideas created by the Reapers themselves.
Basically what I'm trying to say is, that the ending stage with Starchild and the three RGB choices is "kind of" a dream if that makes sense. All the parts before that happen. BUT Shep is NOT on Earth, he's on the Citadel at the controls making the decision on whether or not to destroy the reapers, but he's seeing some things that just aren't there, this battle is PARTLY in his mind, not entirely. It's like he's right there, ready to hit the "destroy reaper" button, but suddenly he goes partly unconscious as something in his mind tells him something else (in this case it's the reapers ideas not his), if that makes sense. I think this will be explained in the extended cut DLC.
Also, this theory also doesn't disregard the cutscenes you see afterwards as "illusions" either, they're true, but think about it... The reapers are still alive in the other two cutscenes! This goes against the goal of the entire ****ing series, again I doubt they ****ed up this bad because LITERALLY every character everyone ever loved on Sheps side emphisises destroying the reapers, this theme can't suddenly become completely untrue, that's ridiculous. With control and synthesis endings, they could've just used Shepard to make it seem like he had won (also allowing them to get rid of the crucible) and defeated the reapers, but they'll be back to catch everyone off guard once more. A victory (like ME1), but not for long.
Now what is really going on in these other endings?
Possibly, in the control ending the only reason the relays and Citadel are still intact, is because they could've been using Shepard the same way they used Saren... (it would make sense, the relays are also intact in this ending)To make the Citadel that direct relay from dark space to the Milky Way like it was supposed to be in ME1. The synthesis ending could easily just be a huge signal boost used for mass indoctrination, notice how Joker is still limping, clearly no synthetic implants to help him walk straight and EDI clearly didn't become any more organic. Just a thought.
The Citadel is Reaper tech itself, the option to amplify indoc signals would totally be there, correct me if I'm wrong but why wouldn't they be? And why couldn't the relays be used to transmit that very signal across the galaxy? The relays are used for comms in ME and were also created by the reapers.
Also, I think the reason Harbinger flew away was to try to control Shepard (mind not body, remember slow indoc) and protect himself just in case, there is no way they just totally left the most important Reaper out of the picture he weakens him and doesn't kill him on purpose, also the fact we don't see Harby himself dying in the end is odd. (He's kind of a big deal) So regardless of ending, I believe Harby may still be kicking somewhere out in dark space working through Shepard (post ending DLC anyone? I think all this was going to be explained in post ending DLC if we wern't so quick to bich about it.)
Not to mention that this would also explain why Shep is alive on Citadel rubble (yes it's confirmed, he's on the Citadel) and how EDI is still alive if she was in your squad (confirmed not a bug) also proves that there some complete lies said by the Starchild BW said it themselves, Starkid lies about EDI dying and Shep dying, so again I call bull**** on the writers being THIS sloppy on purpose.
The reason Joker is running, and possibly all the fleets Shepard amassed... Notice no ships surrounding Earth in the end cutscene like they were when you were making that RGB choice? You don't even see any ship rubble, just Reapers.
The armies of the galaxy are presumed to be retreating ever since Shep woke up and started walking to the beam. This could be because they have lost comms with Shep, he is not responding suddenly and is presumed to be dead. Notice how Hackett NEVER acknowledges Shepard actually responding... It sounded like a last ditch attempt to contact Shepard, even if he did hear Shepard, Hackett wouldn't just stop trying to contact him altogether after that initial attempt... Shepard is not entirely conscious in reality, but Shepard is presumed dead by others because he never contacted Hackett.
So, they notice odd amounts of energy coming from the Citadel, it looks like it's going to explode, Shepard + Anderson likely dead so ALL ships not just Joker, run. This would explain why the explosion affects the Normandy at all because they are in mid-relay flight. Extended Cut could show a scene where Joker argues with Hackett about going to save Shep after saving the Normandy ground crew, (they don't know what happended to Shep after the blast, think he's dead) but Hackett convinces him they're all probably dead if they're caught in that explosion, (Shep wouldn't want that) they also tell ground forces that the fleets are in full retreat and they should bunker down as well, the Citadel is going to explode. Also, since all fleets were running, and the Normandy obviously the only one caught in a mid-relay blast, the crew being rescued is not far-fetched at all.
As for the relays not destroying entire systems, I think thats been explained why it didn't happen before.
So is IDT right? To an extent I think so. The fact BW hasn't denied it and aren't shooting it down (occasionally hinting at it even) means two things:
1. We're "kind of" right. But the whole ending wasn't a complete dream like IDT states.
2. Speculation for all, they don't want to shoot down fan head cannon.
Honestly, I just hope they can fix all this confusion with the Extended Cut. I don't believe the story's over either, I expect post-ending DLC. At least, I hope so.
Anyway, what do you guys think of this alteration of the theory? I'm not sure if it's been discussed before, my bad if it has. But let me know what you think!
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