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[SnakeStrike8]

I am curious about whather or not the destroy ending really kills the geth. We know that shooting the tube will 'destroy all synthetics', but what exactly does that mean? Are we destroying all synthetic bodies? If that's the case, then the geth aren't really dead. The bodies might die, but millions of geth programs live on in servers across Rannoch and inside their warships. Same for EDI, who exists in the Normandy more than it does in Eva's body.
Are we actually wiping out the geth programs themselves? If that's true then we are truly destroying the geth (and EDI), but the technical details of who that would work are limited solely to the realm of magic- not space magic, mind, but just regular warlock magic.
Thoughts on the topic? Would the destroy variation on the ending be more palatable if we all knew that picking that option wouldn't destroy the geth entirely, but rather would just seriously wound some and kill many others?

[sporeian]

Space Magic......that is all

[Hexley UK]

Nobody knows for sure hopefully the extended cut will give us more information.

[MadCat221]

Trying to make sense of the ending is like trying to divide by zero.

[SnakeStrike8]

Scheisse, I hope it gets mentioned. Doesn't seem likely, but still.
Regardless, I can't see it being a case of 'the geth atually survive the red coloured ending'. The key reason no-one picks destroy is because it means the end of the geth. If Bioware changes that, then we've got a free 'everyone wins and rainbows' ending, which carries its own demerits.

[Aedan276]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

I am curious about whather or not the destroy ending really kills the geth. We know that shooting the tube will 'destroy all synthetics', but what exactly does that mean? Are we destroying all synthetic bodies? If that's the case, then the geth aren't really dead. The bodies might die, but millions of geth programs live on in servers across Rannoch and inside their warships. Same for EDI, who exists in the Normandy more than it does in Eva's body.
Are we actually wiping out the geth programs themselves? If that's true then we are truly destroying the geth (and EDI), but the technical details of who that would work are limited solely to the realm of magic- not space magic, mind, but just regular warlock magic.
Thoughts on the topic? Would the destroy variation on the ending be more palatable if we all knew that picking that option wouldn't destroy the geth entirely, but rather would just seriously wound some and kill many others?

If destroying Synthetics is a possible condition of 'Destroy' then a high EMS should allow us to avoid that outcome if we so choose or if the narrative interprets from our choices we would have spared the Geth. 

Completionism should be rewarded. 

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

It's not even clear whether it destroys all technology or not. Geth are just machines after all, so shouldn't the same shockwave destroy things like navigational computers and life support?

If the explanation is "no, it only destroys synthetic life, but not technology," then it makes no sense whatsoever. There is no obvious distinction between synthetic technology and synthetic life forms, a point which is made abundantly clear in every single dialog concerning the Geth.

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 12 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[Silpheed58]

Could make an argument that the Geth and EDI are fine since Shepard lived.

[SnakeStrike8]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

It's not even clear whether it destroys all technology or not. Geth are just machines after all, so shouldn't the same shockwave destroy things like navigational computers and life support?

If the explanation is "no, it only destroys synthetic life, but not technology," then it makes no sense whatsoever. There is no obvious distinction between synthetic technology and synthetic life forms, a point which is made abundantly clear in every single dialog concerning the Geth.

Not to mention what that does to VIs, which are in much more common use than AIs and are never given good reasons to be significantly different from AIs. Different hardware, perhaps.
But that's all magical in nature. I'm interested in knowing if destroy really is the secret 'happy ending'. A concession by the writers for gamers who are well versed with the lore: if you know that destroying synthetic bodies won't automatically wipe out the geth or EDI, then destroy instantly becomes the 'best' option. The Reapers die, Shepard appears to live, and genocide is averted!

[GetDaved]

I choose to believe that if they had Reaper code the died and if they didn't they lived. It makes as much sense as anything else about the crucible and follows at least some form of logic.

[devSin]

At this point, it's actually the truth that nobody knows for sure what happens in the destroy ending.

EDI dies. EDI lives. Shepard dies. Shepard lives. The geth die. But do they really?

Patrick said on the Twitter that this should be answered in the extended cut.

Modifié par devSin, 12 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Brian.V3]

I'll go with i'm here to destroy the reapers. How dare they destroy the great beautiful city of Vancouver. I decided to go on and just block out the kid and all his ramblings and statements and just go which one is the one I destroy all reapers.

Btw you destroy all synthetics...

Ah you just saying that **** because you don't want me to destroy them. Nice try little boy.

pew pew.

[Asharad Hett]

According to Jessica Merizan (I know, don't flame me)... the Geth and EDI survive.

[irishScott3]

Well Starkid said it would destroy Shepard. It obviously doesn't. So... much speculation for everyone!

[MadCat221]

What we do know is that the Destroy ending casually kills off everyone we've been built up to care about on the Citadel when the space magic obliterates the place. What's the harm in throwing the Geth and EDI on top of that body pile?

The ward arms may or may not survive if they have independent life support power (definitely not if they go Earthward... and that would just cinch the deal and destroy Earth's life support capacity anyway, as if it wasn't wrecked from the Reapage and had its challenge of restoration massively compounded by mass relay destruction).

Aria?  Dead.
Conrad?  Dead.
Jenna?  Dead
Kelly?  Dead.
Aethyta?  Dead.
Ash's family?  Dead.
Blue Rose chick?  Dead.
Kolyat?  Dead.
Dr. Michel or Dr. Chakwas?  Dead.
Extra Grissom students you may have rescued?  Dead.
Commander Bailey?  Dead.
Councilors?  Dead.
Barla Von?  Dead.
Frenchman Refugee and Batarian Refugee?  Dead.
Teen girl refugee who isn't catching on that her parents aren't coming on the next transport?  Dead.
Batarian Preacher consoling the faith-shaken batarian refugees?  Dead.


Please continue my casualty list of people killed by Bioware's want to make big booms without any thought as to the ramifications.

Modifié par MadCat221, 12 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[devSin]

MadCat221 wrote...

Please continue my casualty list of people killed by Bioware's want to make big booms without any thought as to the ramifications.

Actually, Patrick said at PAX that you can pretty much assume that all the plot-important characters who were on the Citadel are still alive.

Like I said, nobody knows anything for sure anymore. You have to wait until the extended cut, to see if they ever make up their minds about what really happens.

[MadCat221]

devSin wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Please continue my casualty list of people killed by Bioware's want to make big booms without any thought as to the ramifications.

Actually, Patrick said at PAX that you can pretty much assume that all the plot-important characters who were on the Citadel are still alive.

Like I said, nobody knows anything for sure anymore. You have to wait until the extended cut, to see if they ever make up their minds about what really happens.

Them *saying* they are pretty much is the sole piece of evidence that they are.  Everything else points to them all being dead.  Did you not miss the Presidium exploding and the ward arms breaking off?  Do you not think that'd send at least one of them falling down towards Earth?  Unless they completely replace that video with one of the Citadel *not* breaking apart... yeah.  Dead.

TBH... it kinda waylays me.  I remember this one bit with EDI doing some major pondering about the logistics of the GenoCure in general, and also on how to get and sustain all the Krogan heading off to Palaven (moving so many of them, keeping them from killing each other on the way, feeding so many levos on a dextro world).  And then... all the consideration of minutiae gets tossed out the window with the ending.

Modifié par MadCat221, 12 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[shepard1038]

MadCat221 wrote...

What we do know is that the Destroy ending casually kills off everyone we've been built up to care about on the Citadel when the space magic obliterates the place. What's the harm in throwing the Geth and EDI on top of that body pile?

The ward arms may or may not survive if they have independent life support power (definitely not if they go Earthward... and that would just cinch the deal and destroy Earth's life support capacity anyway, as if it wasn't wrecked from the Reapage and had its challenge of restoration massively compounded by mass relay destruction).

Aria?  Dead.
Conrad?  Dead.
Jenna?  Dead
Kelly?  Dead.
Aethyta?  Dead.
Ash's family?  Dead.
Blue Rose chick?  Dead.
Kolyat?  Dead.
Dr. Michel or Dr. Chakwas?  Dead.
Extra Grissom students you may have rescued?  Dead.
Commander Bailey?  Dead.
Councilors?  Dead.
Barla Von?  Dead.
Frenchman Refugee and Batarian Refugee?  Dead.
Teen girl refugee who isn't catching on that her parents aren't coming on the next transport?  Dead.
Batarian Preacher consoling the faith-shaken batarian refugees?  Dead.


Please continue my casualty list of people killed by Bioware's want to make big booms without any thought as to the ramifications.

A dev said that all the people on the citadel survived or at least the important ones.

[MadCat221]

Like I gave the gist of in my other post... I'll believe it when I see it. As-is, the Citadel and everyone on it is dead as a doornail in everything 'cept Blue Space Magic, thanks to the structural core of the Citadel going kablooie.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

irishScott3 wrote...

Well Starkid said it would destroy Shepard. It obviously doesn't. So... much speculation for everyone!

Only in 2 of the three *ends*, gah that's getting old, fast!!!

Blue=disintegrated

Green=absorbed

Red=nicely browned on the outside, but still flexible.

[trembli0s]

The funny part is that the Destroy ending also pretty much BONES the Quarians.

Everything in the series has pointed to the Quarians having cybernetics to operate their suits. If you are going to die by choosing the destroy option, you can bet that the Quarians are also going to get the cosmic shaft.

[Zix13]

We don't know, since bioware forgot to add an epilogue. Guess they "Didn't know people would want one" or w.e

[OH-UP-THIS!]

devSin wrote...

Patrick said on the Twitter that this should be answered in the extended cut.

This isn't even an option for debate.................we should trust these people NOW??!

I am not a "twit" and I don't F'book, so uh, where are all the people on the Citadel? DON'T GO THERE!!!!!!

[FlamingBoy]

don't know, one of the many 1000's of problems with the ending

[Muhvitus]

Well, if you think about the ship scene, in green ending EDI is with Joker, in Red one EDI isn't. Souu Edi dead at least? Which would imply Geth dead.