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[Arppis]

DJBare wrote...

Arppis wrote...
Hah, maybe she will be half-wited afterwards?

Well, that would assume she requires the reaper tech to maintain her memories and experiences, I prefer to think the reaper tech gave her AI a kick start to the next level in synthetic evolution.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

[Bill Casey]

My maximum lag time on quantum computing has been increased by 3.7 milliseconds...
I hope this won't affect our relationship...


That is a joke.

[Meltemph]

DJBare wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Considering EDI can live, I think it is obvious the kid is wrong or lying... Either that or BW forgot within about 2 hours between the cerberus base and the ending, that EDI is composed of reaper tech.

It should be noted EDI is based "in part" on reaper tech.

Yes, but it is not only "Based on" in ME2 it specifically mentions that it uses parts from soverign, not to mention the Cerbrus base near the end of ME3.  Denying EDI has reaper tech in it, at this point... Either way it wouldnt matter, EDI is the very definition of a synthetic, if the Geth die there is no rational explination she would live.  Even giving the slightest benefit of the doubt, at minimum, EDI's body should be destroyed. 

[acidic-ph0]

Edi (after being blasted by the red explosion) : "That thing you burned up isn't important to me; it's the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It makes shoes for orphans... nice job breaking it, hero. "

[Spectre-61]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

variobunz wrote...

But the game does not see differences in War Assets. If you have high EMS but alomost nothing for the crucible in the end, it's no difference to a crucible with a lot of assets.

I agree that there's really no differentiation.  Outside of the notion that even the military assets would still be able to help construct the Crucible, I don't really have a good explanation.  It's mostly based on Hackett's conversation where he discusses his concerns about whether or not the crucible can be focused to target only the Reapers, and the result of the videos we have at the end (especially the Destroy endings).

BTW what's the citadel defense force for?

LOL!!!  Unless it gets explained away, I'd probably just consider that a whoops

Ha! My thoughts exactly

Thanks for answering, Herr Schumacher

[Allan Schumacher]

tufy1 wrote...

See, I went the exact opposite direction. My very first reaction is "wait, who are you to tell US what we should do? What happened to freedom of choice? I've just proven you're wrong a couple of missions ago and have Geth and Quarians fighting against the Reapers together, yet you're telling me that peace is a lie? HELL NO!"

I then first tried shooting the kid, then going back to the elevator and when I realized there really is no different way out of it, I tried all three different endings through reloads. Then I closed the game shocked at what the hell just happened and couldn't sleep that evening, afraid that the huge questionmark above my head might fall down and kill me.

It's partly why I went with the Destroy ending.  Not only do I wipe out the Reapers (my goal from the end of ME1), but in doing so I remove the Reaper influence and grant our cycle the opportunity to prove him wrong.  It sucked to have to (maybe? haha) sacrifice the Geth to do so, but the other options had me wary and I felt that if the Geth and Quarians could make peace, the Catalyst's assertion was flawed.

That said, I think an option to refuse the Catalyst's options would have been great.  Though the nihilist in me would have probably had the Reapers win in that case haha.  I actually don't mind the idea of being presented a genuine "no-win" situation and find that idea actually quite interesting (obviously I can see other don't >.>).  I just feel that the execution was a let down.

[Meltemph]

Well, that would assume she requires the reaper tech to maintain her memories and experiences, I prefer to think the reaper tech gave her AI a kick start to the next level in synthetic evolution.

Sounds morel like forcing a fit... To suggest that a artificial construct that was created, partly BASED off the reaper tech AND had parts of the Sovereign to create what she is... well to be frank sounds incredibly silly to me.

[Warp92]

@ Allan

Yeah bringing the Geth and Quarians to peace contradicts with what the catalyst says is partly why I felt that endings we choosed couldn't be the best.. I didnt want to destroy the Geth but I did want to destroy the Reapers so I too took the chance

[acidic-ph0]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

tufy1 wrote...

See, I went the exact opposite direction. My very first reaction is "wait, who are you to tell US what we should do? What happened to freedom of choice? I've just proven you're wrong a couple of missions ago and have Geth and Quarians fighting against the Reapers together, yet you're telling me that peace is a lie? HELL NO!"

I then first tried shooting the kid, then going back to the elevator and when I realized there really is no different way out of it, I tried all three different endings through reloads. Then I closed the game shocked at what the hell just happened and couldn't sleep that evening, afraid that the huge questionmark above my head might fall down and kill me.

It's partly why I went with the Destroy ending.  Not only do I wipe out the Reapers (my goal from the end of ME1), but in doing so I remove the Reaper influence and grant our cycle the opportunity to prove him wrong.  It sucked to have to (maybe? haha) sacrifice the Geth to do so, but the other options had me wary and I felt that if the Geth and Quarians could make peace, the Catalyst's assertion was flawed.

That said, I think an option to refuse the Catalyst's options would have been great.  Though the nihilist in me would have probably had the Reapers win in that case haha.  I actually don't mind the idea of being presented a genuine "no-win" situation and find that idea actually quite interesting (obviously I can see other don't >.>).  I just feel that the execution was a let down.

Actually a lot of people (me being one of them) were hoping for a Reapers win scenarion. Hell even Mac Walters confirmed in one of his interviews some time ago that reapers could win... Guess that was just another lie-err misunderstanding =/

But in all seriousness I would have LOVED a "Reapers Win" ending. It could've been executed so well and done so tragically. I would've loved to see all my characters I invested in dying like heros instead  of what we got. At least this would've been awesome as one of the options... I'd also would've liked to see a scenario where if your EMS was extremely high, you could refuse the catalyst and beat the Reapers through conventional warfare, but with extremely heavy losses possibly loosing Earth in the process.

I was actually fully expecting one option would be to sacrifice Earth in order to save the Galaxy. And I was prepared to do it XD

[Akaki]

Aedan276 wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

I am curious about whather or not the destroy ending really kills the geth. We know that shooting the tube will 'destroy all synthetics', but what exactly does that mean? Are we destroying all synthetic bodies? If that's the case, then the geth aren't really dead. The bodies might die, but millions of geth programs live on in servers across Rannoch and inside their warships. Same for EDI, who exists in the Normandy more than it does in Eva's body.
Are we actually wiping out the geth programs themselves? If that's true then we are truly destroying the geth (and EDI), but the technical details of who that would work are limited solely to the realm of magic- not space magic, mind, but just regular warlock magic.
Thoughts on the topic? Would the destroy variation on the ending be more palatable if we all knew that picking that option wouldn't destroy the geth entirely, but rather would just seriously wound some and kill many others?

If destroying Synthetics is a possible condition of 'Destroy' then a high EMS should allow us to avoid that outcome if we so choose or if the narrative interprets from our choices we would have spared the Geth. 

Completionism should be rewarded. 

Yeah, I'd like it too, but how the heck EMS affects the way Crucible works? I mean, you have a couple of mercs from Aria that allows you to reach 4000 and suddenly because of that the Crucible leaves Big Ben alone?
 How come? EMS as a way to differentiate the outcome of the game as is, sucks. 

[DinoChimp]

I think people are over thinking this. The ending was bad writing and that's all. The dev's now saying that no the people (story ones at least) on the Citadel didn't die. You get to see your LI again even if you choose destroy and romanced Tali. It is all a retcon.

If it has to be explained in a DLC that people don't die because everything currently says they do die, then its just bad writing. The ending was written by 2 people in a matter of weeks, do you really think they thought that hard about it.

They are going to have to use so much space magic to "explain" this ending it will likely be worse that what we got currently.

Modifié par DinoChimp, 12 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[DinoChimp]

Modifié par DinoChimp, 12 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[acidic-ph0]

DinoChimp wrote...

I think people are over thinking this. The ending was bad writing and that's all. The dev's now saying that no the people (story ones at least) on the Citadel didn't die. You get to see your LI again even if you choose destroy and romanced Tali is all a retcon.

If it has to be explained in a DLC that people don't die because everything currently says they do die, then its just bad writing. The ending was written by 2 people in a matter of weeks, do you really think they thought that hard about it.

They are going to have to use so much space magic to "explain" this ending it will likely be worse that what we got currently.

Oh I think people still believe that the ending is terribly written... But considering it's all we have and we're not getting a new one. We're just trying to fill in gaps with the best reasoning we can muster.

[B3ckett]

I would so dig a Reaper-win scenario. Just for the sake of watching it and having the motivation to replay everything from scratch, making the decisions with more knowledge and then kicking some Reaper-ass.

Besides, it somewhat was promised and expected... this could go either way. Just imagine a tough mission, you get to the end of it to learn that you can't finish it because:
a) you needed Krogan backup and Wrex is either dead or betrayed by you
Rachni have to sacrifice some of them to protect Shepard in his final stint
c) if Collector's base was saved, it appears and changes the tide of the battle with a huge collector swarm etc.

Damn, you could've gone epic with ME3...

[xenu101]

K... but how does breaking a tube destroy all of the synthetic, artificial intelligence in the galaxy???

And what about the virtual intelligence programs? Or the electronics in your spacephone, space tv, or ship? All the Geth are are a bunch of computer programs working together, and most of them only exist in server hubs. So, how does the RED space magic discriminate between one piece of electronics from another?

Space Magic can only take you so far. Heck, we could've had a giant space octopus from Alpha Centauri show up and devour the rEApers. It would've made about as much sense as the ME3 ending that we got.

[DinoChimp]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

DinoChimp wrote...

I think people are over thinking this. The ending was bad writing and that's all. The dev's now saying that no the people (story ones at least) on the Citadel didn't die. You get to see your LI again even if you choose destroy and romanced Tali is all a retcon.

If it has to be explained in a DLC that people don't die because everything currently says they do die, then its just bad writing. The ending was written by 2 people in a matter of weeks, do you really think they thought that hard about it.

They are going to have to use so much space magic to "explain" this ending it will likely be worse that what we got currently.

Oh I think people still believe that the ending is terribly written... But considering it's all we have and we're not getting a new one. We're just trying to fill in gaps with the best reasoning we can muster.

There is no reasoning in the ending. If the devs make it so Starchild was lieing about the Geth being destoryed and you as well apprently dieing, then what the hell is the point of even believing anything said in the game.

In writing a story be it for a game/movie/noval etc... if you keep having "important" characters saying **** that isn't true then you better have a damn good reason for it (like a twist ending). But with twist ending you see, it's actually in the end product and not in an "extended DLC".

If the current ending can't explain what the dev's wanted then its a poor ending and not worth trying to use reason to understand it. Why believe anything anyone says in the game if the reapers and starchild were lying. How do we know Morden really cured the geonophage, was he lieing?

You can't use reason for the endings so I recommend not trying to.

[DJBare]

B3ckett wrote...
I would so dig a Reaper-win scenario. Just for the sake of watching it and having the motivation to replay everything from scratch, making the decisions with more knowledge and then kicking some Reaper-ass.

There is a reaper win, people just don't recognize it as such "Synthesis"

[Eudaemonium]

Patrick Weekes suggested on twitter recently that we'd get a definitive answer on EDI and the Geth with high EMS Destroy in the Extended Cut. I mean, as things stand with the current ending I think it's fair to assume that they could, but we'll get a set answer later.

I hope they go for 'yes'. I kinda feel like total-relay destruction/galactic dark age/ruined homeworlds is bad enough punishment .

[Eudaemonium]

DJBare wrote...

B3ckett wrote...
I would so dig a Reaper-win scenario. Just for the sake of watching it and having the motivation to replay everything from scratch, making the decisions with more knowledge and then kicking some Reaper-ass.

There is a reaper win, people just don't recognize it as such "Synthesis"

Also, because of the unknown factors its entirely possible that Control might have them winning eventually. We currently have no idea how absolute Shepard's Control is, whether s/he gets to give them a single command or whether its a permanent bond, or even whether given enough time Shepard her/himself might actually come to think the Reapers were right and continue the cycle voluntarily.

[Avarenda]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

trembli0s wrote...

So we simply have more contradictions then  : 

The most distinguishing feature of quarian biology is their weak immune system, compounded by centuries of living in sterile environments. As a result, all quarians by necessity dress in highly sophisticated enviro-suits, to protect them from disease or infection if they are injured. Their suits can be compartmentalized in the event of a tear or similar breach to prevent the spread of contaminants (similar to a ship sealing off bulkheads in the event of a hull breach). Along with their suits quarians also have extensive cybernetic augmentations integrated into their bodies. 

Ah, but is a person with cybernetics a synthetic life form?

If they are incapable of living without the cybernetics, you might be able to argue that they arent entirely organic anymore. It would be the same situation shepard is in. Without the synthetic parts inside him/her would he/she be able to live on?

[Arppis]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Patrick Weekes suggested on twitter recently that we'd get a definitive answer on EDI and the Geth with high EMS Destroy in the Extended Cut. I mean, as things stand with the current ending I think it's fair to assume that they could, but we'll get a set answer later.

I hope they go for 'yes'. I kinda feel like total-relay destruction/galactic dark age/ruined homeworlds is bad enough punishment .

Tech doesn't go down, nor does the buildings that are still standing, don't think it's dark-ages.

[acidic-ph0]

DJBare wrote...

B3ckett wrote...
I would so dig a Reaper-win scenario. Just for the sake of watching it and having the motivation to replay everything from scratch, making the decisions with more knowledge and then kicking some Reaper-ass.

There is a reaper win, people just don't recognize it as such "Synthesis"

Ah, good point!

[B3ckett]

DJBare wrote...

B3ckett wrote...
I would so dig a Reaper-win scenario. Just for the sake of watching it and having the motivation to replay everything from scratch, making the decisions with more knowledge and then kicking some Reaper-ass.

There is a reaper win, people just don't recognize it as such "Synthesis"

Of course you can say that, but to the general public it's too far fetched. The characters look like upgraded versions with lots of potential benefits (Joker, Tali). There is no hint about the downside of this decision (yet). We can assume this could mean COMPLETE Reaper win without any serious effort. This is true Genocide for the future (all species under complete control, next cycle = no fight at all).

It's like "ok ok, let's live together for the sake of being better ... beings" ;-) This is, IMHO, the most rainbowy ending at this moment, because it doesn't supposedly kill anyone besides Shepard (whose sacrifice was expected since ME2 really and he's not truly dead here).

A Reaper win, in regard to what they've said in the previous games should mean a public annihilation of Shepard and his squad (or public control over him) and just assraping Earth, just for show. That would be a Reaper win in my book.

[Allan Schumacher]

DinoChimp wrote...

I think people are over thinking this. <snip>

Hmmm.  The way I see I think I'm having some interesting conversations with fellow fans.