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[Astartes Marine]

Pardon me if I start babbling, I'm sick as a dog right now and despite the fact that I should be resting I just can't. 


I think this argument really depends on whether you're dealing with the far more powerful and dangerous TNG series Borg from episodes like Q-Who and Best of Both Worlds or the vastly powered down Borg from Voyager.  In my opinion the TNG Borg would trounce the Reapers being truly able to adapt to anything with no real weaknesses like a central leadership.  Voyager Borg got knocked out by what boiled down to a fancy virus.

Darth Brotarian wrote...
I very much doubt the borg can adapt to the reapers superheated matter beams, that would be physically impossible. Their ships could through, but than again, the reapers could change their tactics and adapt that way. It's how they countered the miricle of palavan manuver afterall.

The Borg have ships adapted against kinetic attacks, the armored Tactical Cubes for an example.  Though it would still be a thing to behold, an unstoppable force against an immovable wall, both sides adapting and countering constantly. 

The problem is that Reapers have finite resources and it takes an immense amount of resources to rebuild lost capital ships.  The Borg on the other hand have based on established quotes millions of ships between the sphere cruisers and cube battleships.  That's not even taking into account smaller scout ships and probe vessels.

Another problem the Reapers face is their organic components, not immune to assimilation.  Imagine a Reaper cap ship like Harbinger under the influence of the Collective.

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Can the borg
assimilate technologically based beings though? I don't know much about
them other than they have godlike abilites to adapt to weapons and that
they all have a collective. ALso that they convert organics into
cyborgs and wipe away their former identities.

Yes the Borg can assimilate technologically based entities.

Ykulnu wrote...
Without
access to a Relay with only two-way capability, FTL capabilities of
Reaper forces are like a Model T to a Ferrari in comparison to the Borg,
who can go to 9.9 times the speed of light.

It's actually much faster, standard warp drive that is.  Transwarp drive is off the scale however being akin to Relay speeds without the Relays.

Ykulnu wrote...
Honestly, this is like imagining the Master Chief squaring up between a 40k Space Marine. It just wouldn't be fair.

I'll admit I do love the Halo series...but the Chief would have a hard time even going up against an Imperial Guard Kasrkin much less a member of the Astartes be they full battle brother or scout recruit.

[Bfler]

Which Borg? The Borg Collective was destroyed and the former drones are now part of the Caeliar Gestalt.

[johnj1979]

The Reapers are the same as the Borg, but they are also the Shadows from Babylon 5

[Asharad Hett]

The borg and Q are why the universe needed a reboot.

[Ledgend1221]

Asharad Hett wrote...

The borg and Q are why the universe needed a reboot.

The borg were one of the best things about the universe.

[WordZee2]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

The Flood would own them all..........Hard.

But I'd say the Reapers would merk up the borg. Take a while tho. Borg are incredibly resilient and really have no fear. I'd say at least 10 year war. But Harby and Co. would defeat them.

Necromorphs would then come in and kill everything else.

[Scorpion1O1]

 The Borg wouldn't “team up”, they will try to assimilate the Reapers. The Reapers would probably try to harvest the Borg as well. Both have slightly different methods. Reapers are very slow compared to the Borg in terms of assimilation/harvesting biological, technological & essence etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Reapers mostly destroy. They may use assimulation like stradegy to facilitate the destruction process of organics (and primitive synthetics). But in the end they harvest a single species? to form another Reaper after the cycle?

The Borg seek to assimilate all life and technology they deem worthy. Perfection is their goal, Reaper's goal is to preserve life (in their twisted way).

A standard borg cube is 3km long on each side with a drone compliment of 100k drones.Their communication of the Collective is very similar to the Geth Censuses. However I don't believe the Borg have any pure software based intelligences like the way the Geth do.

A borg cube can maintain running if 75% of it had been destroyed.

Reapers average at 2km tall and control their thralls through indoctrination. 

Is Indoctrination a organic process like the Thorian or a mechanical one with nanotechnology and cybernetic implants like the Borg?Or both?

Either way the Borg would most likely assimilate one Reaper then adapt to assimilate the rest easier. The Reapers don't adapt as well I believe as the Borg. The Reapers indoctrination isn't as affective.

Firepower is hard to measure, I know of no numbers or metrics to compare.

Modifié par Scorpion1O1, 18 septembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[Nitrocuban]

Borg get pwned hard by the Normandy Voyager and that is just one little ship. So, yeah, Reapers would totally win.

[KaiserShep]

Asharad Hett wrote...

The borg and Q are why the universe needed a reboot.

It's too bad that the JJ Abrams reboot franchise is bafflingly brain-dead.

[Astartes Marine]

KaiserShep wrote...

Asharad Hett wrote...
The borg and Q are why the universe needed a reboot.

It's too bad that the JJ Abrams reboot franchise is bafflingly brain-dead.

I blame Rick Berman.  No seriously.  Nero's ship was from the prime timeline, from the one where Berman got his greasy fingers all over everything and we got starships flying around like fighter planes and no ship on either side had working shields...it spills over into this alternate version of the pre-TOS era via Nero and corrupts the timeline. 

On a more serious note I don't get the hate behind the new movies, and before anyone says it yes I love TOS and TNG to death, DS9 I'm more indifferent to, Voyager was meh and as far as I'm concerned Enterprise never happened. 

[DRTJR]

Any group in another big Sci-Fi series would crush the Reapers something awful; In Halo each UNSC ship has more fire power than the entire Human Systems Alliance; The Federation(in the 24th Century) have time travel, is faster, far bigger and more varied weapons, and the USS Ben Sisko's MFing Pimp Hand(A.K.A. the USS Defiant.); The Federation (in the 23th Century) while slower and less able to deliver the punishment Captain James T. Kirk is here and he doesn't believe in the no win scenario; The Romulans/Klingons have cloaking technology that could easily hide their vessels and wittle the Reaper forces to nothing; The Borg would be unaffected by their influence and will assimilate their technology.

[KaiserShep]

Astartes Marine wrote...
On a more serious note I don't get the hate behind the new movies, and before anyone says it yes I love TOS and TNG to death, DS9 I'm more indifferent to, Voyager was meh and as far as I'm concerned Enterprise never happened. 

The big problem I have with the movies actually has very little to do with the other Trek series, or older movies, but rather the fact that every character, including Spock, is holding a massive idiot ball throughout the entire set of films. Everything that happens makes no sense whatsoever. Nero's motivation basically boils down to *I'm pissed as hell at everyone for failing to stop something that was absolutely out of their control*, then proceeds to use the very thing that was supposed to save his people to instead squander it on senseless vengeance. When I saw the 2009 movie for the first time, I admit that I was taken in by its rather great sense of drama and the fun action, but a second watch made the plot vulnerable to scrutiny, and it's surprising how many things just don't work. Isn't it convenient that Spock instantly forgets that the ship is equipped with a brig, just so Kirk can conveniently avoid ferocious monsters and run into old spock? Nevermind that Spock may very well have sentenced this person to death, not knowing that someone down there would be able to save him. The second film is surprisingly worse. The basis of the intro's core drama required everyone to be a moron. The very idea of how and why they had to adhere to the prime directive made my brain hurt. And again, like the first movie, key characters had to forget stupidly simple, yet crucial plot elements in order to both resolve the movie's core drama, while giving a reason to have one last action scene.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 18 septembre 2013 - 10:48 .

[Googleness]

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[Ninja Stan]

Please use the ME3 Fan Creations forum for your fanfic. Thank you.

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