202 réponses à ce sujet

[th3warr1or]

I hate her. She's like really really goddamn annoying. I felt so glad hitting her, I just wish I could have done it without killing Connor.

[The Angry One]

I never get the Isolde hate.

Yeah she's rather selfish and such but considering the situation her son is in I give her some leeway.

People also criticise her for getting an apostate mage to cover up her son's magic which started this mess but honestly, she was facing losing her son to the circle *forever*. It's a rather hard position to put any mother in.

At least she has some sympathetic cause to her actions unlike, say, Morrigan or Anora.



On the other hand there's the high probability she was banging Teagan.

Stupid cow, I hate her.

[Skellimancer]

th3warr1or wrote...

I hate her. She's like really really goddamn annoying. I felt so glad hitting her, I just wish I could have done it without killing Connor.

+1

[Starmartyr]

The Angry One wrote...

I.
People also criticise her for getting an apostate mage to cover up her son's magic which started this mess .

But she is the wife of a teyrn. How did she even know where to find an apostate to train her son unless she was a bit on the shady side already. I say let her get disembowled

[th3warr1or]

The Angry One wrote...
On the other hand there's the high probability she was banging Teagan.
Stupid cow, I hate her.

Possibility? She was definitely banging Teagan. Look how much balls he has man.. He tells basically tells Loghain to "F*ck Off" when he says "The Bannorn will not bow to you simply because you demand it!"

Why? Do you like Teagan or something?

[th3warr1or]

Starmartyr wrote...
But she is the wife of a teyrn.

Arl. 

[th3warr1or]

Starmartyr wrote...
But she is the wife of a teyrn.

Arl. 

[The Angry One]

Starmartyr wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I.
People also criticise her for getting an apostate mage to cover up her son's magic which started this mess .

But she is the wife of a teyrn. How did she even know where to find an apostate to train her son unless she was a bit on the shady side already. I say let her get disembowled

Wife of an Arl you mean.
And it's precisely because she's nobility that she'd have "shady connections". Most nobles do.
Apostates aren't inherently evil in any case, that's just Chantry dogma. The same Chantry dogma by the way that states her son must be taken away and locked in a tower for the rest of his life so I doubt she cares about that.

Hell her plan might've worked if not for Jowan's naivete, and Loghain conspiring to poison Eamon in the first place.

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:10 .

[The Angry One]

th3warr1or wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
On the other hand there's the high probability she was banging Teagan.
Stupid cow, I hate her.

Possibility? She was definitely banging Teagan. Look how much balls he has man.. He tells basically tells Loghain to "F*ck Off" when he says "The Bannorn will not bow to you simply because you demand it!"

Why? Do you like Teagan or something?

There's a perfectly logical and dispassionate reason why I mentioned Teagan.
You see, Teagan is mine, so quiet with your Isolde/Teagan propaganda!

[Original182]

I'm shocked to say this, but I never expected the voice of reason from The Angry One. No anti-chantry speech too!

Isolde is just a mother who didn't want to lose her son, but made a terrible mistake. It's just coincidence the mage she hired was the blood mage Jowan, hired by Loghain to poison Arl Eamon, which led to Connor trying to save his father by making a pact with a demon, which then led to the mess.

[vocalemuse]

Well, one nice thing is in certain endings Teagan marries Kaitlyn from the Redcliffe village. xD

I think Isolde just wants him and he kind of tolerates her because he has to, rofl.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:11 .

[Original182]

The Angry One wrote...
Apostates aren't inherently evil in any case, that's just Chantry dogma. The same Chantry dogma by the way that states her son must be taken away and locked in a tower for the rest of his life so I doubt she cares about that.

Ahh... I spoke too soon...

[Varenus Luckmann]

The Angry One wrote...

[...]

People also criticise her for getting an apostate mage to cover up her son's magic which started this mess but honestly, she was facing losing her son to the circle *forever*. It's a rather hard position to put any mother in.

[...]

That doesn't make her any less of a stupid cow. It just means that there's a higher proportional number of stupid cows amongst human females.

*ducks*

[Wittand25]

Plus she was not to lose her son. Children showing magical talent need to go to a circel for training and lose all claims to their familystatus, but there is no rule that contact between the child and its parents has to end as the epiloge cleary shows considering Eamon held contact with Connor if both survive.

[ChemicalGreen]

Edit. Lots of people responding, but this is in response to the poster who wondered how Isolde knew how to contact an apostate in the first place.

She didn't. She contacted Loghaine who agreed to "help" her by sending in an assassin to kill her lord and husband. Stupid, selfish cow indeed.

And I dislike her because she clearly thinks she and her son are above everyone else, even law. Just listen when you press her about telling the whole truth when she just wants Teagan to go to the castle with her. So dozens of people have died because you had to keep your son's magic a secret so he wouldn't be taken away from you? It's not like the boy would have been killed or tortured, just taken away what can be considered exclusive and strict boarding school. And you still cry about it not being his fault? No, it's your fault, ******.

Now excuse me, I think there's a throat I need to slit upstairs. Enjoy your choices, Isolde.

/hate off

Modifié par ChemicalGreen, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:17 .

[The Angry One]

Hardly anti-Chantry, simply seeing things from Isolde's point of view; dogma is not a negative term, it means an authoritative religious doctrine that can't be questioned.

Though my views on organised religion are unapologetic in any case.

[vocalemuse]

And rofl, you can punch her? XD That's awesome.

I must do this with my City Elf or Dwarf Noble playthrough. Choices, choices...

Modifié par vocalemuse, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:19 .

[The Angry One]

Wittand25 wrote...

Plus she was not to lose her son. Children showing magical talent need to go to a circel for training and lose all claims to their familystatus, but there is no rule that contact between the child and its parents has to end as the epiloge cleary shows considering Eamon held contact with Connor if both survive.

Seems like a special case to me, most mages in the tower speak of being cut off from their families.
And in any case. Yay, Parents get to visit their kid in a gilded prison. Would you really desire that for your children?

[DeathWyrmNexus]

I like the fact that she is supposedly a "pious" woman but the first damn thing she does is turn to an apostate. That kind of piety is why we had to endure [insert random religious crap here]...



Her only redeeming moment for me was when she was so willing to sacrifice herself for her son. It wasn't even a hesitation. It was a parent moment and as one, I actually liked her for that.

[The Angry One]

ChemicalGreen wrote...

She didn't. She contacted Loghaine who agreed to "help" her by sending in an assassin to kill her lord and husband. Stupid, selfish cow indeed.

It's not like she knew this now, did she?

[The Angry One]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

I like the fact that she is supposedly a "pious" woman but the first damn thing she does is turn to an apostate. That kind of piety is why we had to endure [insert random religious crap here]...

Her only redeeming moment for me was when she was so willing to sacrifice herself for her son. It wasn't even a hesitation. It was a parent moment and as one, I actually liked her for that.

Piety tends to last only as long as one's personal life isn't compromised.
Human nature.

[Alex Savchovsky]

Original182 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Apostates aren't inherently evil in any case, that's just Chantry dogma. The same Chantry dogma by the way that states her son must be taken away and locked in a tower for the rest of his life so I doubt she cares about that.

Ahh... I spoke too soon...

But it's still true. "Those guys - they are evil. Why? Because we don't have them under control."

Btw, Isolde was annoying as hell. I'm sure he had her reasons, but her hysterical "come on Teagan, hurry, you must come with me alone" pissed me off. Sacrificed her for the greater good of both Connor and the arl.

[vocalemuse]

What I found kind of funny is when Alistair ****ed me out at camp for letting Isolde sacrifice herself, then a few hours later I give him some little statue figurine and he's all better. xD

Modifié par vocalemuse, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:21 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

The Angry One wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Plus she was not to lose her son. Children showing magical talent need to go to a circel for training and lose all claims to their familystatus, but there is no rule that contact between the child and its parents has to end as the epiloge cleary shows considering Eamon held contact with Connor if both survive.

Seems like a special case to me, most mages in the tower speak of being cut off from their families.
And in any case. Yay, Parents get to visit their kid in a gilded prison. Would you really desire that for your children?

Yeah, what horror it must be to live, protected from themselves and others, with others of your kind, that understand everything you are and your troubles, nurturing your innate abilities.
That horror!

[ChemicalGreen]

The Angry One wrote...

ChemicalGreen wrote...

She didn't. She contacted Loghaine who agreed to "help" her by sending in an assassin to kill her lord and husband. Stupid, selfish cow indeed.

It's not like she knew this now, did she?

There were so many people posting in between that I really shoulf have quoted the person I was responding to instead of trusting that my post would follow the one I was referring to.

I wrote that as a response to the poster who wondered how Isolde knew how to contact an apostate to begin with.