Krigwin wrote...
You should be able to punch Isolde the very first time you see her, christ she was annoying.
Isolde: Teagan! I need you inside m-, er I mean in the castle where all the undead are coming from. Alone. There's NO way this can be a trap!
Teagan: Yeah okay.
Me: Can't let you do that, Star Fox!
Isolde: Teagan! Who the hell is this wench?
Me: ***** say what?
Should've just knocked her out right then and then carried her loudmouthed arse back to the castle.
Modifié par slackbheep, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:38 .
th3warr1or wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
On the other hand there's the high probability she was banging Teagan.
Stupid cow, I hate her.
Possibility? She was definitely banging Teagan. Look how much balls he has man.. He tells basically tells Loghain to "F*ck Off" when he says "The Bannorn will not bow to you simply because you demand it!"
Why? Do you like Teagan or something?
I think you would like my points on the last page then.Korva wrote...
There is no character in this game I hate more than Isolde. Not Loghain, not Howe, not Morrigan. They are all far worse people, but at least they have a measure of strength. Isolde is just a screeching, hypocritical, spoiled, egotistical little Orlesian wh*re -- totally useless. And the worst thing is that she gets away with her crimes despite the immense suffering her selfish stupidity has caused. I really wish we could hand that woman to the Templar. Or that I could break her jaw to shut her the eff up. Sadly, playing a paladin-type of character meant I "had to" save her and her brat with Irving's help.
I could feel a measure of sympathy for her if she wasn't so totally egotistical, so totally callous about everything and everyone beside Connor. Not a word of apology. Not a word of sorrow for the many dead in Redcliffe -- people her family is duty-bound to protect! Just WAAH WAAH! MY SON! WAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAH!
Modifié par DeathWyrmNexus, 05 décembre 2009 - 06:13 .
Wanna have sex?Krigwin wrote...
You should be able to punch Isolde the very first time you see her, christ she was annoying.
Isolde: Teagan! I need you inside m-, er I mean in the castle where all the undead are coming from. Alone. There's NO way this can be a trap!
Teagan: Yeah okay.
Me: Can't let you do that, Star Fox!
Isolde: Teagan! Who the hell is this wench?
Me: ***** say what?
Should've just knocked her out right then and then carried her loudmouthed arse back to the castle.
The Angry One wrote...
Xaila wrote...
I hated her more for her past treatment of Alistair (she even scoffs a little if you have him in your party when you first encounter her) and stupid whiny voice. She had noooo problem shipping off little Alistair at the age of 10, but when it's ~her~ son it's a different story.
Welcome to the nobility.
Given the rampant rumors that Alistair was Eamon's bastard, he was a threat to her own legitimacy and that of any child she might have, so she got rid of him. Alistair himself acknowledges that.
Again it's not particularily nice, and of course it's hypocrisy, but that's how that type of person thinks so I don't see any reason to single her out and call her stupid for it.
Teagan was even inspired to song.th3warr1or wrote...
Whoa, this has got to be my most successful discussion thread (that is successful not due to people arguing).
Looks like tons of people share my opinion.
Xaila wrote...
I actually personally disliked a lot of the nobility in the game. Except for Teeeeeeegaaan, he was alright.
Modifié par Axterix, 05 décembre 2009 - 07:22 .
Original182 wrote..
First, gays don't become abominations and kill people in real life. Comparing mages to gays is a poor comparison.
Second, the point is you spend all your energy condemning the Chantry for it's reasonable treatment of mages. Yet you turn a blind eye on the Qunari who treat mages like animals. Conclusion? You attack the Chantry just because they are the Chantry. It's not ok to discriminate against the mages, but the Chantry are fair game?
If the Chantry trains people to hate mages, how come that Revered Mother still treats Wynne like a human being? Can you give me an instance where the Chantry openly hates mages? If you can't, then it's all mere speculation on your part.
I already quoted to you the commandment from the Maker. It doesn't teach you to hate mages. But it teaches you that using magic to harm people is bad. Once again, show me proof that the Chantry teaches people to hate mages.
And the masses fear mages because of the maleficar, what happened to Connor, etc. They don't need the Chantry or anybody else to tell them magic can be bad, because they can see it with their own eyes.
Please don't blame the Chantry for reality [in Ferelden].
The potential for any apostate not sanctioned by the Chantry to become an abomination or cause harm to the population is too great.
I was comparing mages to criminals because they are a potential danger to society. Once a mage becomes an abomination, many people will be hurt, as per Connor's case.
All mages have the potential to be overpowered by demons and become abominations. You cannot let mages go hoping that they might not become one.
Axterix wrote...
I'm not really a fan of Teagan either. Okay, he has one moment of glory, standing up to Loghain and even that is tempered by him starting a civil war (Loghain staged a coup, Teagan turned it into a civil war) while a Blight is on. Maybe he should have waited with that, just a little.
Then you run into him, where he is bravely protecting the, well, protected area. I mean, there's certainly no people with lighter wounds that could do that, or, say, a commoner rather than a noble who has been trained to fight and has better gear. No, just a quick word of "hey, incompetent fool, how about you stay in there and 'protect the women, last line of defense' so you don't get your lame *** in our way" and he's happily out of the picture.
Mind you, he could have led the knights into the castle himself before the players even got there, but no, that'd require a willingness to put his people before himself and do his duty. He doesn't even help set up
the defenses. Isn't out training the guys practicing. He isn't helping to build barricades. He isn't helping to tend the wounded. He isn't running around town inspiring people, like the barkeep, the elf, and the blacksmith to help. He isn't out saying "hey, we got some oil in the shop we can use."
And what does he do when the party shows up? Does he encourage them to go into the castle and end the threat? Nope, he has them spend the day setting up defenses and hides the fact that he can even get them into the castle. Basically, if the party is inclined to help, he could have gotten them to agree to delay going in regardless. And if they weren't, they could have gone in and at least provided a distraction.
So then Isolde, who is more incompetent than Teagan shows up, and say "hey, come to the castle, this cannot possibly turn out badly" and the fool agrees, justifying it because it'll form a distraction so you can sneak into the castle. This ultimately leads to him leading a bunch of guards to attack you.
The players have restored some semblence of order to the castle. So he gets to stay home and play wet nurse, not really accomplishing anything.
Finally, the players restore his brother. Now you can actually get things accomplished. The brother has a plan. The brother can inspire people. At this point, Teagan becomes even less of a factor than he was before.
Basically, Isolde is a stupid cow. But Teagan is an incompetent fool.
The Angry One wrote...
There's a difference between regulation and outright persecution.
Tevinter for example lets it's mages become leaders and doesn't brand them as terrible beings ripe for possession, and yet they're not overrun by abominations, are they?
And don't go "lolblackcity" on me, that's a myth that most characters in the game doubt. And yeah, slavery is bad. But then, so is what Loghain planned to do with the Alienage elves.
Point is Tevinter regulates it's mages but doesn't treat them like criminals and hasn't imploded.
DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Ah but... Tevinter mages seems perfectly willing to kidnap slaves and use them as components in blood magic. So I don't see how that wins you any points and I am technically for mages having freedom.
Axterix wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
There's a difference between regulation and outright persecution.
Tevinter for example lets it's mages become leaders and doesn't brand them as terrible beings ripe for possession, and yet they're not overrun by abominations, are they?
And don't go "lolblackcity" on me, that's a myth that most characters in the game doubt. And yeah, slavery is bad. But then, so is what Loghain planned to do with the Alienage elves.
Point is Tevinter regulates it's mages but doesn't treat them like criminals and hasn't imploded.
A quick comment on this: Tevinter is why the seeds of mage hatred finds such fertile ground.
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