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[GodlessPaladin]

Just tested this.  When in full swing blood rage, I wasn't getting the damage bonus as a Krogan Vanguard.  I couldn't one-shot a lowly Gold Nemesis, completely unlike my Krogan Sentinel with the exact same melee specs.
 
Krogan melee needs to work.  Rage Krogan are all ABOUT melee.  Having it be glitched so that it doesn't work is not acceptable.

Video proof: 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 15 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[X2-Elijah]

Are you perhaps forgetting krogan sentinels get melee bonus from tech armour?

[Stardusk]

Not this again. Krogan can use shotguns as well.

[EchoBeam]

Gold works differently than Bronze. On gold, you will never one hit kill an enemy who has multiple layers with shields or barriers.

Shield/Barrier Damage Gates

There is a new mechanic for shields and barriers in ME3, which we call the shield gate. Whenever an enemy shield/barrier is destroyed (last point taken off), the rest of the damage that passes through to the health/armor is cut by X%, where X is:

50% on Normal/Bronze
75% on Hardcore/Silver
100% on Insanity/Gold

This means that if an enemy has a single sliver of shields on Insanity/Gold, any weapon bullet will only take the remaining point off, and then a second bullet is required to start damaging the health/armor. This means that even the most powerful sniper rifle will take 2 shots to kill any shielded enemy on Insanity/Gold. For shotguns, keep in mind that most fire multiple pellets, so even if some of the damage gets cut off on one of the pellets, the remaining pellets should pass through to the health/armor.

Link:
http://social.biowar...9822648#9823097

Modifié par EchoBeam, 12 avril 2012 - 07:10 .

[GodlessPaladin]

X2-Elijah wrote...

Are you perhaps forgetting krogan sentinels get melee bonus from tech armour?

I am not.

Stardusk wrote...

Not this again. Krogan can use shotguns as well.

...So you're saying that glitches are fine and it's totally okay that rage does not do what it says in the powers screen?  This is just like the case with Ultralight Materials.  Yes, you can just not use SMGs, but that doesn't mean the glitch isn't a bad thing.

EchoBeam wrote...

Gold works differently than Bronze. On gold, you will never one hit kill an enemy who has multiple layers with shields or barriers.

  Get a clue:  melee attacks bypass the shield gate, newbie.  I one-shot nemesis on GOLD with a Krogan Sentinel (without tech armor on, even) and do not do so as a Krogan Vanguard.  This is
because it does not get the damage bonus from rage.

Also, you seem to have missed the part in the OP where I explicitly stated that I tested this with two characters, each with the same rage spec, on Gold.  They did not do the same damage, or even REMOTELY the same damage.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 07:15 .

[lolpunch]

Tech armor actually gives 5% more than Charge.

[GodlessPaladin]

lolpunch wrote...

Tech armor actually gives 5% more than Charge.

Ah, you're right.  Still, I just tested it again... same thing without tech armor or charge bonus.  The vanguards don't seem to be getting the damage bonus from rank 6 rage evolution.

Hold on, I'll do a video for proof.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[EchoBeam]

  Get a clue:  melee attacks bypass the shield gate, newbie.  I one-shot nemesis on GOLD with a Krogan Sentinel (without tech armor on, even) and do not do so as a Krogan Vanguard.  This is
because it does not get the damage bonus from rage.

Also, you seem to have missed the part in the OP where I explicitly stated that I tested this with two characters, each with the same rage spec, on Gold.  They did not do the same damage, or even REMOTELY the same damage.

EDIT: I just tried again on gold and melee apparently does seem to go through it. Like I'd know, why would you ever melee on gold? The fact you aren't instantly kicked from any group amazes me.

Modifié par EchoBeam, 12 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[lolpunch]

EchoBeam wrote...

  Get a clue:  melee attacks bypass the shield gate, newbie.  I one-shot nemesis on GOLD with a Krogan Sentinel (without tech armor on, even) and do not do so as a Krogan Vanguard.  This is
because it does not get the damage bonus from rage.

Also, you seem to have missed the part in the OP where I explicitly stated that I tested this with two characters, each with the same rage spec, on Gold.  They did not do the same damage, or even REMOTELY the same damage.

I just tried with my Krogan Sentinal on gold, it doesn't one shot any enemy with shields on gold. The Nemesis I hit only took down all their shields, and they had 100% health remaining.

You get a clue, you have no idea how the game works and are making crap up. No where in that post from Bioware says "Oh but only melee damage isn't effected by this rule." No, ALL f***ing damage is.

Funny, because I just did a test run with my melee specced Sentinel, and I was chunking enemies from full shields down to half health.  If shield gating really did apply to melee, I shouldn't even be able to have damage bleed into health on Gold.  It's just that even with all those bonuses stacked, most enemies on Gold have enough health to survive being one-shot from full.  

Modifié par lolpunch, 12 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[GodlessPaladin]

EchoBeam wrote...

  Get a clue:  melee attacks bypass the shield gate, newbie.  I one-shot nemesis on GOLD with a Krogan Sentinel (without tech armor on, even) and do not do so as a Krogan Vanguard.  This is
because it does not get the damage bonus from rage.

Also, you seem to have missed the part in the OP where I explicitly stated that I tested this with two characters, each with the same rage spec, on Gold.  They did not do the same damage, or even REMOTELY the same damage.

I just tried with my Krogan Sentinal on gold, it doesn't one shot any enemy with shields on gold. The Nemesis I hit only took down all their shields, and they had 100% health remaining.

You get a clue, you have no idea how the game work and are making crap up.

Here's video proof of one-shotting Nemesis on Gold:   

GTFO troll.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[EchoBeam]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

EchoBeam wrote...

  Get a clue:  melee attacks bypass the shield gate, newbie.  I one-shot nemesis on GOLD with a Krogan Sentinel (without tech armor on, even) and do not do so as a Krogan Vanguard.  This is
because it does not get the damage bonus from rage.

Also, you seem to have missed the part in the OP where I explicitly stated that I tested this with two characters, each with the same rage spec, on Gold.  They did not do the same damage, or even REMOTELY the same damage.

I just tried with my Krogan Sentinal on gold, it doesn't one shot any enemy with shields on gold. The Nemesis I hit only took down all their shields, and they had 100% health remaining.

You get a clue, you have no idea how the game work and are making crap up.

Here's video proof of one-shotting Nemesis on Gold:   

GTFO troll.

Lol you made a video for a troll? I guess I was accidently successful then. 

[HOUSE MDD]

Yup krogan vanguard defo bugged. can 1 shot a nemesis with a soldier/sentinel with same full melee spec yet not with vanguard with same spec. plz fix this bw.

[Blackest_Knight]

Just to make sure: You are using the same weapon Mods? I.e. Both using Shotgun Blade Attachment?

[lolpunch]

I wonder if it might be because Krogan Vanguard has less base melee damage than the other Krogan to make up for the fact that he closes gaps into melee range so much more easily.  I know that I can't one-shot full shield Nemesis on Gold with my Sentinel unless I take a weapon with +melee damage (they live with 1 bar of health left), so even that little bit could make a difference.  

Modifié par lolpunch, 12 avril 2012 - 07:36 .

[inusannonn]

Those clever salarians

/kidding.

im still trying for my geth cards to pop up let alone krogan vanguard.

Modifié par inusannonn, 12 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[Handheld Biscuit]

Lol you made a video for a troll? I guess I was accidently successful then. 

You were proved wrong, just accept it and move on, stop trying to point score.

[GodlessPaladin]

Okay, I just made a test video, with NO TECH ARMOR on the sentinel (when hitting the nemesis), and EXACTLY THE SAME passives. The Sentinel takes it down to two bars of health, whereas the Vanguard leaves it with more than half its health left. The damage is indeed different and this is horrible.  Video is currently processing on Youtube and I'll add it to the OP in a few minutes.

Handheld Biscuit wrote...

Lol you made a video for a troll? I guess I was accidently successful then. 

You were proved wrong, just accept it and move on, stop trying to point score.

He's trying to point score by CLAIMING HE IS A SUCCESSFUL TROLL.  Who exactly he thinks that will score points with, I don't know.  Maybe a moderator?

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[Iodine]

lolpunch wrote...

I wonder if it might be because Krogan Vanguard has less base melee damage than the other Krogan to make up for the fact that he closes gaps into melee range so much more easily.  I know that I can't one-shot full shield Nemesis on Gold with my Sentinel unless I take a weapon with +melee damage (they live with 1 bar of health left), so even that little bit could make a difference.  

That's what I'm guessing, since most people play Krogan sentinel/soldier mostly (or at least partially) for the melee, and the vanguard would completely outclass them in every way thanks to Charge's i-frames/shield recharge and instantly closing with/escaping from the enemy. Different human classes have different heavy/normal melee base damage values from other humans, so I wouldn't be surprised if Krogan vanguard does too. Haven't figured out yet how (or if) we can confirm DLC values directly, though.

Modifié par Iodine, 12 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[Tangster]

lolpunch wrote...

I wonder if it might be because Krogan Vanguard has less base melee damage than the other Krogan to make up for the fact that he closes gaps into melee range so much more easily.  I know that I can't one-shot full shield Nemesis on Gold with my Sentinel unless I take a weapon with +melee damage (they live with 1 bar of health left), so even that little bit could make a difference.  

No it doesn't.

[GodlessPaladin]

Video proof: 

So... this is crap.  What the hell. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[lolpunch]

Yeah, that's no good. Time to add it to the extensive list of bugs in the semi-official bugs/glitches topic.

[FlamingNinja007]

Bro, you had your armor on in the video when you previously said you can without the armor...

[GodlessPaladin]

FlamingNinja007 wrote...

Bro, you had your armor on in the video when you previously said you can without the armor...

Look again.  I removed the armor before attacking the Nemesis in the video proof.

Also, if you mean saying you can one shot without the armor, that's true too... I didn't take full melee rage (I went shields for 4).

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 11:03 .

[GGW KillerTiger]

 Ahhhhh!! Crummy Youtube video! TV screen recorded by a video camera! My eyes hurt now after 5 seconds of viewing. Owe! So what's the beef? The Krogan meant for cqc melee combat does less melee damage than ther other krogans when it coems to melee? Interesting. Oh and I also saw you call someone a newbie when in actuality melee does not pass shield gate. I have used a fully raged krogan sentinel to heavy melee gold difficulty cerberus sentinels and they had 1 shield bar left. 

[GGW KillerTiger]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

FlamingNinja007 wrote...

Bro, you had your armor on in the video when you previously said you can without the armor...

Look again.  I removed the armor before attacking the Nemesis in the video proof.

Also, if you mean saying you can one shot without the armor, that's true too... I didn't take full melee rage (I went shields for 4).

Does tech armor have a thing to increase melee damage for x seconds after being ruptured? If I remember correctly ... Been awhile since I used it ...

Also in your video the Krogan Sentinal takes a heavy melee and a regular melee to kill the target .... Didn't you say it kills the nemesis in 1 melee? 

Modifié par GGW KillerTiger, 12 avril 2012 - 11:14 .