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[Esquin]

Remember. A quick search of youtube will show that there is not 1 single video from a person who enjoyed the ending. Or if they exist they're damn hard to find.

The only positive ending videos revolve around indoctrination theory or a variation of it. Which as i've said several times, doesn't make your ending good. It just means that you owe us the rest. Indoctrination theory isn't an ending people. It's the begining of the 4th act.

So bioware. Remember. We're the majority. We hate the ending and we have a lot of reasons for why we do. We're not going away. We're not going to be silenced. And we're not wrong. Don't pretend you have any serious numbers of fans on your side. The evidence to support such a claim simply isn't there. Even some of your own mods and staff are with us in hating the ending. Though taking the approach of "oh well, it sucked. Move on". But we're not going to do that. We're going to make it clear to all gaming companies that this kind of behaviour won't be tollerated. You cannoy lie to us about game content and get away with it. You cannot give us a rushed and horrible ending. No. We will not allow it. 

[Esquin]

We are the majority people. Don't forget that.

[UrgentArchengel]

Ego is quite blinding I hear. So is having integrity.

[howieloader]

Hate the ending... But really, not 1??? Suspicious of search methods, and to a larger extent methodology in general...

[Shajar]

Only minority ever uses forums, talks about it, contact bioware. But when most of minority people hate endings, then its same for all who bought it. They just dont care, but we arent minority even if may look like it

[stormhit]

This isn't a movement and nobody is being oppressed.

[Athlonis1]

It is impossible to gauge how many people are content with ending. Our numbers are unknown, but we ARE vocal.

[Meltemph]

0_o

I hated the ending... a lot actually, but it's a bit disturbing that it sounds like your are trying to evangelize. It wouldnt matter if the majority loved the ending... it still was badly written.

Why do you even care if you are the majority? >.>

[DigMatt]

Shajar wrote...

Only minority ever uses forums, talks about it, contact bioware. But when most of minority people hate endings, then its same for all who bought it. They just dont care, but we arent minority even if may look like it

^ This - so many people seem to forget that it's impossible to get information from the entire fanbase, like with scientific/psychology experiments you have to take a sample and generalise the results to the entire group you're looking at. That's the scientific (Right) way of gathering information and utilizing it.

In this case, all evidence shows that people who didn't like the ending would be in the majority (I'm basing that on all the polls I've seen)

[Arppis]

People who are happy/satisfied don't usualy post as much as people who aren't.

[Sohlito]

Oh boy. You do realize the "deserves better fans" folks have already crawled out of the woodwork right? : p

All joking aside though, there are much more constructive ways of getting your point across to the folks at Bioware and other gaming companies with suspect business practices. This, kinda isn't one of them. If one wants to be taken seriously, a rally cry during the already heightened state of ridiculousness this debacle has achieved is counter intuitive in so many ways. I don't think Bioware has forgotten that there is a large number of fans dissatisfied and unhappy, but right now they're going to handle this the best way possible for them as a company. Sucks, but that's the reality of the situation.

Some of us that dislike the ending have adapted a wait and see approach with their "olive branch". I don't know that much else, aside from even MORE ridiculous actions (that will adversely affect the community as a whole), can be done.

Modifié par Sohlito, 12 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[mbr.to]

as Shajar said: a minority uses the forums.

and there are wide variations of what people think about the ending,
some want closure/explanation and some want it changed.

so its acutally a minority within a minority.

[UrgentArchengel]

In before the Trolls "troll" us into the next cycle. Trolls inbound, where is Shepard where you need...them?

[Esquin]

Sohlito wrote...

Oh boy. You do realize the "deserves better fans" folks have already crawled out of the woodwork right? : p

All joking aside though, there are much more constructive ways of getting your point across to the folks at Bioware and other gaming companies with suspect business practices. This, kinda isn't one of them. If one wants to be taken seriously, a rally cry during the already heightened state of ridiculousness this debacle has achieved is counter intuitive in so many ways. I don't think Bioware has forgotten that there is a large number of fans dissatisfied and unhappy, but right now they're going to handle this the best way possible for them as a company. Sucks, but that's the reality of the situation.

Some of us that dislike the ending have adapted a wait and see approach with their "olive branch". I don't know that much else, aside from even MORE ridiculous actions (that will adversely affect the community as a whole), can be done.

I want them to admit the ending was bad and tell us why they thought it would be anything but horrible.

Also. If anyone can find a single person on the internet. Anywhere. Who is able to make proper arguments that dismiss the views of retake the facts of why the ending is bad. That person doens't exist. It's that simple.

[Eudaemonium]

This forum is a minority. Those willing to put a video on youtube are also a minority. However, I think the main problem with Bioware catering to the 'new endign completely' crowd is simply that *they largely all want different endings*. Everyone wants more reactivity, more of your choices mattering. But how? And if you replace the end what do you replace it with? What if even more people hate it than before, just different people?

I think these are likely some of the primary reasons Bioware has decided to expand the present endings.

[Nizzzy]

Taking devil's advocate for a moment there are some youtube videos, like the intoxication theory one, that seem to be making fun of the anti-ending crowd's anger and zealotry.

They do exist, but I don't see how we are not in the majority.

[Meltemph]

Eudaemonium wrote...

This forum is a minority. Those willing to put a video on youtube are also a minority. However, I think the main problem with Bioware catering to the 'new endign completely' crowd is simply that *they largely all want different endings*. Everyone wants more reactivity, more of your choices mattering. But how? And if you replace the end what do you replace it with? What if even more people hate it than before, just different people?

I think these are likely some of the primary reasons Bioware has decided to expand the present endings.

Ya...unfortunately there wasnt a "We want less bad writing in our scifi games" retake crowd... I would have jumped on that one right away.  This one...not so much.

[Esquin]

Eudaemonium wrote...

This forum is a minority. Those willing to put a video on youtube are also a minority. However, I think the main problem with Bioware catering to the 'new endign completely' crowd is simply that *they largely all want different endings*. Everyone wants more reactivity, more of your choices mattering. But how? And if you replace the end what do you replace it with? What if even more people hate it than before, just different people?

I think these are likely some of the primary reasons Bioware has decided to expand the present endings.

Oh don't get me wrong. I understand that they can't change the entire ending. I'm glad they're adding some closure and I hope they can find some way to explain all that happens and have it make sense. 

But I still think we deserve some explaination as to why they thought that ending was a good idea.

[StElmo]

There used to be a saying in politics that an email represents 100 people who didn't bother. And a letter represents 1000.

I think you can safely say 99% of the ME3 players found the ending to lack cohesion.

[PaxtonFetel]

As Stalin said, "If he want to go to war, they will get it. They have sown the wind, and will reap the storm.

[OhoniX]

^ This - so many people seem to forget that it's impossible to get information from the entire fanbase, like with scientific/psychology experiments you have to take a sample and generalise the results to the entire group you're looking at. That's the scientific (Right) way of gathering information and utilizing it.

But nobody has attempted a scientific poll. Every datapoint on this issue comes from self-selecting polling/sources, which are wildly inaccurate. The basic principle is that if 50 people are really irate about something, and 50 are not, and then you give those 100 people the option of spending a moment of their time registering that perspective, then more of the irate people will sign in than the non-irate ones, and suddenly you have 40 people who hate the product and 10 people who don't, so clearly if 80% of the respondents hated it then another 40 out of the remaining 50 must hate it too, instead of just 10 of them.

To EVER claim that a poll has any validity beyond EXACTLY what it says (ie "out of a thousand IGN readers, 60% of them said X") the polling must be done scientifically, in which the sampling group is randomly chosen fro the total population, such that if 50 are for and 50 are against, and you polled 50 people total, then statistically speaking you'd get about 25 on each side, give or take the margin of error.

Neither group can claim to a definite majority here.

I'm not saying the Enders are definitely in the minority, or that non-Enders are definitely in the majority, just that it CANNOT be claimed that Enders have any definite majority without backing it up using scientifically rigorous data, and so far nobody has presented any.

[fle6isnow]

We don't have time to make videos--we're too busy enjoying the game...

[Aslanasadi]

I don't know if people who don't like the endings are a minority or not, but I can tell from my real life friends, who live in my area: None of them liked the endings, but they don't post or discuss in forums about it.

[PaxtonFetel]

For example, for the election of the President voter turnout is 40%. Of them for the winning pretender voted 60%. This is the most ? No. This 16 voters from 100. but they chose the President.
If someone says"I don't accept,  you're not the majority. It will look like a fool.

Modifié par PaxtonFetel, 12 avril 2012 - 08:47 .

[howieloader]

Shajar wrote...

Only minority ever uses forums, talks about it, contact bioware. But when most of minority people hate endings, then its same for all who bought it. They just dont care, but we arent minority even if may look like it

Assumption. Logical fallacy. Confounding variables.

Congratulations, I think that's a fail record...

Edit: spellcheck

Modifié par howieloader, 12 avril 2012 - 08:44 .