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[heathxxx]

bigbade wrote...

Saw this on reddit right quick, interesting to say the least.


 

And now I have a pretty bar chart, to display in pictures, why I'm so utterly dissappointed with ME3.

Indeed, whilst the ending(s) are awful, or at least poorly executed, it's the distinct lack of meaningful "content" in the game itself that annoyed me most of all.

Whilst in many RPG type games, it's pretty much a given that side quests of one form or another are mainly used to fill out games... give more "gameplay", the "side quests" in ME3 provided barely enough "filler" content to fill a thimble.

Whilst the Quarian/Geth and Mordin/Krogan/Genophage aspects of the game were superb, the "side quests" offered next to nothing, considering their implied importance towards gaining "war assets".

· Overhear a conversation.
· Jump to a system and scan a planet.
· Return to person who's conversation you overheard.
· Get a brief line or two of dialogue.

Very lazy way of adding "filler content" to the game. Even if three or four of those fetch "quests" (though "quests" is hardly what you can call them), had involved a decent mission, landing on a planet and some additional dialogue with characters, it would have been so much better than what we ended up with.

When I see people say the game was "95% great", I cringe... because it seems to me like they've been blinded by the few truly great moments in the game, which seems to have shrouded just how poor the game was as a whole.

Especially compared to the previous two games.

Modifié par heathxxx, 12 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[Kingofthebonggo]

Icesong wrote...

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

So yeah, the third game is about fighting a war. How often do you think Shepard would just stop to smell the roses?

DAO, KOTOR, Oblivion. Top of my head.

Different narrative structures that were not the culmination of two prequels.

What does a culmination have to do with the idea that you can't make time to have quests in a war?

In that exploration quests made sense in the previous games because we were looking for evidence of the reapers. In 3 they're right in your face destroying your homeworld. Would you want to go look into a woman's missing daughter on X planet while Earth is being destroyed? Would that make sense?

[Kingofthebonggo]

Another thing, does that chart account for unnecessary quests like Grissom Academy and Samara's quest? I think it's only the N7s listed. There are others on Rannoch as well that I do not believe are accounted for...

[RedTail F22]

And just like that I'm depressed again

[Icesong]

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

So yeah, the third game is about fighting a war. How often do you think Shepard would just stop to smell the roses?

DAO, KOTOR, Oblivion. Top of my head.

Different narrative structures that were not the culmination of two prequels.

What does a culmination have to do with the idea that you can't make time to have quests in a war?

In that exploration quests made sense in the previous games because we were looking for evidence of the reapers. In 3 they're right in your face destroying your homeworld. Would you want to go look into a woman's missing daughter on X planet while Earth is being destroyed? Would that make sense?

I was looking for a kid's missing mom while Lothering was being destroyed. Tracked down Bastila's father's holocron while Taris was still smoldering and the Republic was crumbling. In fact, in ME3 I tracked down some guy's kid while Earth was being destroyed. But who says quests have to be along these lines? I can easily envision a number of war and war fallout related quests that could've been incorporated.

Modifié par Icesong, 12 avril 2012 - 09:52 .

[Velocithon]

RedTail F22 wrote...

And just like that I'm depressed again

This.

I really shouldn't come here anymore. Every day I see something that just makes me hate the game more and more.

[Agugaboo]

Katherine wrote...

At first, the graph depressed me. Then, I laughed at "assbemble".

hah. won't ask how that happens.
Yeah this graph shows it pretty clearly; there's less than two thirds, closer to half,  the number of actual missions compared to the previous editions (not counting fetch and mp). Not expected value. Although graphically everything was quite beautiful. So much lost opportunity.

Modifié par Agugaboo, 12 avril 2012 - 09:59 .

[Nyila]

Ashilana wrote...

Nothing like going and scanning a planet as my quest. So exciting.

And now you even have an unlimited amount of probes!!!!! :happy:

[Agugaboo]

Nyila wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Nothing like going and scanning a planet as my quest. So exciting.

And now you even have an unlimited amount of probes!!!!! :happy:

you don't need them though. you just ping the planet

[heathxxx]

Velocithon wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

And just like that I'm depressed again

This.

I really shouldn't come here anymore. Every day I see something that just makes me hate the game more and more.

Meanwhile, the furure over the "ending(s)" and the thousands of threads about them, obscures genuinely constructive criticism as to why ME3 was way below par, especially compared to the previous two games.

Such a shame that so many genuinely bad aspects to the game, are being obscured by the ending fiasco and thus, an "ending clarification" DLC, which is like a sticking plaster on an arterial wound.

[ahandsomeshark]

heathxxx wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

And just like that I'm depressed again

This.

I really shouldn't come here anymore. Every day I see something that just makes me hate the game more and more.

Meanwhile, the furure over the "ending(s)" and the thousands of threads about them, obscures genuinely constructive criticism as to why ME3 was way below par, especially compared to the previous two games.

Such a shame that so many genuinely bad aspects to the game, are being obscured by the ending fiasco and thus, an "ending clarification" DLC, which is like a sticking plaster on an arterial wound.

agreed. IMO so many people are upset with the endings they haven't taken time to really look at the game detached from the main conflict resolutions. If they did I don't think we'd see as many people saying 95% great. Really it's, good at the beginning. Great, as in probably best game I've every from Surkesh-Rannoch and then a complete mess down the stretch. For a bioware game it's not even in my top 5.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Ugh. Fetch quests are so gorram dumb when you have like 20 in your messy journal.

[ahandsomeshark]

Nyila wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Nothing like going and scanning a planet as my quest. So exciting.

And now you even have an unlimited amount of probes!!!!! :happy:

but did anyone else feel like the fuel was really restricted? Like there weren't nearly as many fuel depots and it seemed like it took more to go between systems.

[Cobra's_back]

I knew there was a reason i was getting bored.

[TheGreenAlloy]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Nyila wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Nothing like going and scanning a planet as my quest. So exciting.

And now you even have an unlimited amount of probes!!!!! :happy:

but did anyone else feel like the fuel was really restricted? Like there weren't nearly as many fuel depots and it seemed like it took more to go between systems.

Yeah.

[Nyila]

Agugaboo wrote...

Nyila wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Nothing like going and scanning a planet as my quest. So exciting.

And now you even have an unlimited amount of probes!!!!! :happy:

you don't need them though. you just ping the planet

I know, it's sad! At least, in ME2, you could make planets look cute!

[Narayan23]

Yeah well Bioware told us that together with EA they would be able to create magnificent things.
We all knew how it ended up for Westwood and co so are you really surprised?

[heathxxx]

Really, this makes the so-called "professional" reviews even more of an embarrassment.

If they were objectively and "professionally" reviewing ME3, it certainly wouldn't have compared favourably to other Bioware titles, or even other developers games, it was rated as being "better" than.

[Alraiis]

What breakdown makes the number of plot quests in ME1 fifteen? Even if  we count Noveria as two or three, I'm still not getting more than ten or so. Eh. I'm sure I'm missing something. Or maybe we're counting "talk to Anderson in Flux."

I'll be the first to admit that ME3's "scan till you find this thing" missions were useless fluff. But I found ME3's plot missions and proper side missions more exciting and better structured than anything in ME1 and a lot of ME2 besides.

Also, those missions dismissed as "multiplayer" in ME3 were no worse than a lot of UNC missions, like "UNC: Colony of the Dead," that just involved rolling up and killing husks. I guess "UNC: Geth Incursion" is awesome because you kill Geth on five different barren wastelands? Putting ME2 loyalty missions or Grissom Academy and the Ardat-Yakshi monastery in the same category as those mindless slogs is crazy.

Whatever. A graph is not going to convince me that I didn't enjoy something I had a good time with (up until the end, that is, but there are other threads for that).

Modifié par Alraiis, 12 avril 2012 - 11:15 .

[Agugaboo]

yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say the problems with the body of the game are being overlooked because of the ending crises, relatively they are insignificant. And you're right the overall feel of the missions were very taught in ME3. Was really expecting more Earth-Thessia-Sur'Kesh though. It does feel incomplete/imbalanced in that sense.

[Lavits75]

TIM- Shepard, you must assbemble a team.
Shep- Ouuuu, sounds fun

[Wulfram]

bigbade wrote...

Those saying recruitment missions are major sidequests for ME2 are crazy, the point of the game is to assemble a team for the suicide mission.
 

The point of ME3 is to gather war assets, yet that doesn't mean every quest which gets you some is a main quest.

ME2 recruitment quests are skippable, other than the first batch.  If it's skippable it's not a main quest.

[magnutz06]

bigbade wrote...

Saw this on reddit right quick, interesting to say the least.


 

Didnt Casey or Ray say they thought ME3 was the best in the series. They must think were a bunch of dogs who love to play fetch....sigh....anyways thanks for the pic bigbade. Even though its further proof that I was dumb to buy the CE, hope the EC makes me feel better about the $80 purchase.

[Tom Lehrer]

I think this has been asked already but does this include the DLC in the first two games and from ashes in 3?

[Evo_9]

Werent the fetch quests required to build up galactic resources to fight the reapers? so its plot related isnt it?

as opposed to sorting out other peoples problems which ive spent most of ME1 doing.

ME1 seemed much more tedious than ME3

Modifié par Evo_9, 13 avril 2012 - 01:51 .