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[elfshepard]

I don't know if this question has been asked before but it was one of the biggest plot holes that struck me.

In ME1 Hacket and Anderson make a big deal about only answering to the Council and not answering to the Alliance anymore.

[Arsenic Touch]

Shepard turned himself in.

It's not a plothole, you need to play arrival.

Modifié par Arsenic Touch, 12 avril 2012 - 08:56 .

[Prism]

Plus it was just a formality. They needed to keep the Batarians of his back.

[elfshepard]

Actually turning yourself in is only one of the options in the Arrival DLC

But I guess Bioware doesn't care about choices

[elfshepard]

And Spectres all have enemies so I don't buy "keep the Batarians of his back" line

[elfshepard]

And why the hell is Shepard turning himself into the Alliance anyway.

[elfshepard]

elfshepard wrote...

And why the hell is Shepard turning himself into the Alliance anyway.

He's a Spectre. What the hell does the Alliance have to do with anything.

[elfshepard]

elfshepard wrote...

elfshepard wrote...

And why the hell is Shepard turning himself into the Alliance anyway.

He's a Spectre. What the hell does the Alliance have to do with anything.

Basically Shepard was a Spectre who was doing what Spectres do (doing what was necessary for the greater good) so how the hell does the Alliance have jurisdiction

[elfshepard]

I think Bioware really hyped Spectres up in ME1 and then they just bulldozed over the lore in ME3 to make it easier for themselves.

[Robhuzz]

The whole idea of a Spectre having 'unlimited power' and being 'above the law' is only partially true.

Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands. However the council does not have any say in the independent governments of it's member species. If a Spectre went down to Earth and gunned down a dozen people, law enforcement would just arrest the Spectre and there's nothing the council can do to get him/her out, they do not have any power or influence down on Earth, except appeal to the respective government or threaten them with a diplomatic incident.

So yeah... so much for being above the law.

[Kitty Fae]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Shepard turned herself in.

It's not a plothole, you need to play arrival.

Corrected for accuracy Femshep > Sheploo!

Anyway, while shep is a spectre, dont forget that she's also firstly a N7 alliance operative.. She wasn't ever taken out of the alliance, the citadel council simply gave her extra authority.

Also, the best way to arrest a spectre is to ask her to turn herself in.
Just like the best way to get a gun from a grammathon cleric is to ask for it. lol.

[philippe willaume]

It is a good question.

[elfshepard]

Robhuzz wrote...

The whole idea of a Spectre having 'unlimited power' and being 'above the law' is only partially true.

Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands. However the council does not have any say in the independent governments of it's member species. If a Spectre went down to Earth and gunned down a dozen people, law enforcement would just arrest the Spectre and there's nothing the council can do to get him/her out, they do not have any power or influence down on Earth, except appeal to the respective government or threaten them with a diplomatic incident.

So yeah... so much for being above the law.

Yes but why turn yourself over to the Alliance. Basically you ignored the question

[wright1978]

They introduced a canon shep who is in love with the Alliance who jumped for joy when the Alliance locked him up in a gilded cell.

[elfshepard]

Kitty Fae wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Shepard turned herself in.

It's not a plothole, you need to play arrival.

Corrected for accuracy Femshep > Sheploo!

Anyway, while shep is a spectre, dont forget that she's also firstly a N7 alliance operative.. She wasn't ever taken out of the alliance, the citadel council simply gave her extra authority.

Also, the best way to arrest a spectre is to ask her to turn herself in.
Just like the best way to get a gun from a grammathon cleric is to ask for it. lol.

Yes but Shepard was just doing his job as a Spectre. And why turn yourself in to the Alliance.

Modifié par elfshepard, 12 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[elfshepard]

wright1978 wrote...

They introduced a canon shep who is in love with the Alliance who jumped for joy when the Alliance locked him up in a gilded cell.

yeah pretty much


I mean even Hacket said Shepard was not on an Alliance operation. So not only was he a Spectre but he was not even doing a job for the Alliance.

[Robhuzz]

elfshepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The whole idea of a Spectre having 'unlimited power' and being 'above the law' is only partially true.

Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands. However the council does not have any say in the independent governments of it's member species. If a Spectre went down to Earth and gunned down a dozen people, law enforcement would just arrest the Spectre and there's nothing the council can do to get him/her out, they do not have any power or influence down on Earth, except appeal to the respective government or threaten them with a diplomatic incident.

So yeah... so much for being above the law.

Yes but why turn yourself over to the Alliance. Basically you ignored the question

Sense of honor? Paragon Shepard had the option of telling Hackett he'd turn himself in - dunno why you would do that since, especially if you tried to warn the Batarians colonists, you really did what you had to do and nothing less.

BioWare is also not above retconning so they simply stuck with it. Plain and simple explanation.

ETA: Gotta shake my head again at Shepard basically telling his name to Kenson while in that batarian holding cell. I mean if he had kept his mouth shut no one would've known it was Shepard. The mission was a top secret deal between Shepard and Hackett. Things just got more ridiculous.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 12 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[xsvrrx]

heh you all seem to forget that in Mass Effect 1 the first thing you do on the Citadel is get a Specter fired with just a cheep autio recording.

Modifié par xsvrrx, 12 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Darth Wraith]

elfshepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The whole idea of a Spectre having 'unlimited power' and being 'above the law' is only partially true.

Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands. However the council does not have any say in the independent governments of it's member species. If a Spectre went down to Earth and gunned down a dozen people, law enforcement would just arrest the Spectre and there's nothing the council can do to get him/her out, they do not have any power or influence down on Earth, except appeal to the respective government or threaten them with a diplomatic incident.

So yeah... so much for being above the law.

Yes but why turn yourself over to the Alliance. Basically you ignored the question

Shepard turned himself in to the Alliance to prevent an open war between Earth and the Batarians. Spectre immunity is all well and good, but it wouldn't have stopped the Batarians from declaring war on Earth based on Shepard's role in the destruction of their colony.

[elfshepard]

Robhuzz wrote...

elfshepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The whole idea of a Spectre having 'unlimited power' and being 'above the law' is only partially true.

Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands. However the council does not have any say in the independent governments of it's member species. If a Spectre went down to Earth and gunned down a dozen people, law enforcement would just arrest the Spectre and there's nothing the council can do to get him/her out, they do not have any power or influence down on Earth, except appeal to the respective government or threaten them with a diplomatic incident.

So yeah... so much for being above the law.

Yes but why turn yourself over to the Alliance. Basically you ignored the question

Sense of honor? Paragon Shepard had the option of telling Hackett he'd turn himself in - dunno why you would do that since, especially if you tried to warn the Batarians colonists, you really did what you had to do and nothing less.

BioWare is also not above retconning so they simply stuck with it. Plain and simple explanation.

yep bascially another example of bioware laziness

It would have made more sense if the Council put Shepard on trial. (if your Spectre status had been reinstated)

[elfshepard]

Darth Wraith wrote...

elfshepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The whole idea of a Spectre having 'unlimited power' and being 'above the law' is only partially true.

Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands. However the council does not have any say in the independent governments of it's member species. If a Spectre went down to Earth and gunned down a dozen people, law enforcement would just arrest the Spectre and there's nothing the council can do to get him/her out, they do not have any power or influence down on Earth, except appeal to the respective government or threaten them with a diplomatic incident.

So yeah... so much for being above the law.

Yes but why turn yourself over to the Alliance. Basically you ignored the question

Shepard turned himself in to the Alliance to prevent an open war between Earth and the Batarians. Spectre immunity is all well and good, but it wouldn't have stopped the Batarians from declaring war on Earth based on Shepard's role in the destruction of their colony.

He's a Spectre they should blame the Council. And the Alliance was planning on destroyng the system anyway so why are they blaming Shepard.

[elfshepard]

xsvrrx wrote...

heh you all seem to forget that in Mass Effect 1 the first thing you do on the Citadel is get a Specter fired with just a cheep autio recording.

Yeah but Saren attacked a colony for no good reason.

[Prism]

elfshepard wrote...

And Spectres all have enemies so I don't buy "keep the Batarians of his back" line

Missing the point. If the Alliance wouldn't have taken action the Batarians would've gone to war.

[Kitty Fae]

elfshepard wrote...

Kitty Fae wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Shepard turned herself in.

It's not a plothole, you need to play arrival.

Corrected for accuracy Femshep > Sheploo!

Anyway, while shep is a spectre, dont forget that she's also firstly a N7 alliance operative.. She wasn't ever taken out of the alliance, the citadel council simply gave her extra authority.

Also, the best way to arrest a spectre is to ask her to turn herself in.
Just like the best way to get a gun from a grammathon cleric is to ask for it. lol.

Yes but Shepard was just doing his job as a Spectre. And why turn yourself in to the Alliance. That's like me blowing up Sydney and turning myself in to the Chinese.

It's like blowing up sydney, and turning yourself over to the chinese, with yourself being a chinese soldier.

Oh, and in that scenario, no one else cares for the aussies. No england, no america, no commonwealth.

[Elk Cloner]

Robhuzz wrote...
Yes, while on the citadel or on citadel colony worlds, the council vouches for the Spectre, keeping him/her out of the law's hands.

Council space spreads across council member's species. So, Shepard should have immunity there, including the Earth.