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[matthewmi]

Really worried about this? He turned himself in to avoid a war with the Batarians plain and simple, Paragon Shep would do this just due to feeling bound to the alliance earth etc... Renegade Shep wants to stop the reapers as well letting yourself cause a war with the Batarians would make the job of the reapers easier when they do show up.

[philippe willaume]

Pinkeye60 wrote...

My take on this is that iirc the batarians are not a council species (they rescinded their membership and severed all relations), so I guess council law would not apply. On top of this the mission was from the Alliance as a hush hush favor and I'm guessing the human race would be top of the list of enemy's after the batarian system was destroyed by a human commander of a pro-human ship (judging by the comic with Vega).
By turning himself/herself into the alliance (who's misson it was, no matter how black ops) the human race is being seen to do something about the situation and this averting another batarian conflict. The council washed their hands of it by not having any diplomatic agreement with the batarians so it resolved down to the next authority inline.

I think that is the point of the OP, we can all come up with explanation as to why or why X explantion does not work.
for me the other side of artistic direction is that the earnest to make sense is on the artist.

now for me it is not so much of a plothole, it is a branch that could have been fleshed out more. It is more like anders action in DA:2  whith friendship in DA2, ie it is not really well explained  but the rivalry totally makes sense.
So for me it is just and aspect of that particulat plot that was did not work as well as other case for that plot.

Phil

[synsam]

In the arrival shepard says he will turn himself in but Admiral Hackett delays them from demanding he do so

[ashwind]

Shepard misses the hot food and soft bed. He needs a vacation before facing the Reapers so he check himself into the Alliance Hotel.

Although the Alliance hotel is darn expensive... cost like 200~300k credits and millions of units of resources.

=P

[edit]
That and in my PTs Liara is too busy eavesdropping on everyone in the galaxy while Tali is too busy playing admiral. Shepard is lonely... 

Modifié par ashwind, 12 avril 2012 - 11:12 .

[da mighty rEAper]

Kitty Fae wrote...

elfshepard wrote...

Kitty Fae wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Shepard turned herself in.

It's not a plothole, you need to play arrival.

Corrected for accuracy Femshep > Sheploo!

Anyway, while shep is a spectre, dont forget that she's also firstly a N7 alliance operative.. She wasn't ever taken out of the alliance, the citadel council simply gave her extra authority.

Also, the best way to arrest a spectre is to ask her to turn herself in.
Just like the best way to get a gun from a grammathon cleric is to ask for it. lol.

Yes but Shepard was just doing his job as a Spectre. And why turn yourself in to the Alliance. That's like me blowing up Sydney and turning myself in to the Chinese.

It's like blowing up sydney, and turning yourself over to the chinese, with yourself being a chinese soldier.

Oh, and in that scenario, no one else cares for the aussies. No england, no america, no commonwealth.

lol, yes, it always amazed me how no one cares about batarians, who are they after all? just some ugly humanlike race of smugglers with four eyes

[Farbautisonn]

Im with OP here. Months of sitting on your hands going to a trial that turns out not to be a trial but rather an advisery tribuneral on the legitimacy of Sheps claims headed by peak-level officers who are in charge of earths defense but act like idiots. Thats what we were supposed to come back.. and STAY back for? I thought I was busy saving the universe, not playing with my thumbs.

Why couldnt they have offered the Batarians full disclosure, asked to get their top agent on the Normandy as an "obersever", an olive branch? Happens all the time IRL. Why did Jack, "bat****e insane" (not really) Jack if she is a love interest not bust Shep out of the brig? (And year... he is in the brig. Says "detention" on the door... so no "house arrest" or "confined to quarters" either).

Plus if Shep has even an ounce of Renegade why would he give himself up in the first place? To placate the batarians? Shep has bigger fish to fry and he has gone against the words of the councill and the alliance before. So let the alliance denounce Shephard and then continue to capitalize on his Spectre status. And if he is a Spectre, whats the legal rights that the alliance has over him?

Months of waiting around on earth whilst things are discussed in a "committee". Im surprised they didnt make him paint fingerpaintings or write poetry to add "artistic merit" to their game...

[chengthao]

i'm not even sure if you played Arrival

[Navasha]

Its not a plothole when you simply fail to follow along in the dialog.

Hackett ASKED Shepard to turn herself in. She agreed. There was NO arrest.

[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...

i'm not even sure if you played Arrival

-I did. Im sure you have a point to add though. I thought I was going on trial. Not sitting on my arse in a brig waiting for an bunch of civillians in uniform to ask me "what should we do" for months on end.

[Farbautisonn]

Navasha wrote...

Its not a plothole when you simply fail to follow along in the dialog.

Hackett ASKED Shepard to turn herself in. She agreed. There was NO arrest.

-Why is he in the brig then? 

[Rudy Lis]

chengthao wrote...

i'm not even sure if you played Arrival

I played, and?

[chengthao]

Rudy Lis wrote...

chengthao wrote...

i'm not even sure if you played Arrival

I played, and?

then you would know that Shep turns him/herself in

and

/end thread

[Zeju]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Its not a plothole when you simply fail to follow along in the dialog.

Hackett ASKED Shepard to turn herself in. She agreed. There was NO arrest.

-Why is he in the brig then? 

"Soft pillows and hot meals" is the brig? You did play the game right?!

[chengthao]

Farbautisonn wrote...

chengthao wrote...

i'm not even sure if you played Arrival

-I did. Im sure you have a point to add though. I thought I was going on trial. Not sitting on my arse in a brig waiting for an bunch of civillians in uniform to ask me "what should we do" for months on end.

right b/c we all know the judicial process is "quick and speedy"

clearly Shepard's trial was more of a mock trial to play nice to the Batarians while the Alliance prepared for the Reapers

[Bocks]

Why is the trial on Earth?
Why does Shepard's role as a Spectre not matter?
Why didn't the Reapers shut down the Mass Relay system?

[Rudy Lis]

chengthao wrote...

then you would know that Shep turns him/herself in

I remember there were three options to tell Hackett.

I remember Shepard being angry of being grounded and having his ship taken.

I remember "relieved of duty" and "it was complicated", much calmer tone.

I remember "house arrest to keep batarians off".

Feels like mish-mash. Erh, sorry, "artistic integrity" and "autodialogue".

chengthao wrote...

prepared for the Reapers

You mean those "what should we do" kindergarden board? that's how they "prepared for Reapers"? 

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 12 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[Drone223]

matthewmi wrote...

Really worried about this? He turned himself in to avoid a war with the Batarians plain and simple, Paragon Shep would do this just due to feeling bound to the alliance earth etc... Renegade Shep wants to stop the reapers as well letting yourself cause a war with the Batarians would make the job of the reapers easier when they do show up.

^This if the Alliance went to war with the Batarians it would actually help the Reaper's

[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...

right b/c we all know the judicial process is "quick and speedy"

-Military tribunerals can be extremely fast, behind all sorts of cloak and dagger crap, and we dont really have time to waste. Your point again? 

clearly Shepard's trial was more of a mock trial to play nice to the Batarians while the Alliance prepared for the Reapers

-Strangely we are never let in on the details of said trial. We arent even informed why the batarians lets him get away with killing 300.000K. Now... I know its the Batarians and that they have a rather... frivolous... outlook on the value of life. But Im pretty sure that killing 300K would validate some sort of response from them.

[Zeju]

Also would like to point out that Shepard was grounded. Not arrested. Meaning to anyone that doesn't understand the term, he isn't allowed to fly his ship.

[chengthao]

Bocks wrote...

Why is the trial on Earth?
Why does Shepard's role as a Spectre not matter?
Why didn't the Reapers shut down the Mass Relay system?

trial on Earth - the Alliance is prosecuting Shepard, not the Batarians (look at the US soldier in Afghanistan who killed the 16 civilians . . . being tried in the US, not Afghanistan)

Spectre status - Batarian space is outside Spectre jurisdiction (CIA operatives get caught in Iran, US has 0 legal right to get their spies back)

Reapers shut down Mass Relays - godchild is an idiot

[chengthao]

Rudy Lis wrote...

chengthao wrote...

prepared for the Reapers

You mean those "what should we do" kindergarden board? that's how they "prepared for Reapers"? 

they were scared b/c 1. dumb/bad writing and 2. they (Reapers) obliterated not 1 not 2 but 3 fleets . . . . with ease

[Farbautisonn]

Zeju wrote...
"Soft pillows and hot meals" is the brig? You did play the game right?!

-And thats your only reason? He could have been confined to Barracks. His own quarters . He could have been put in a hotel room. You only stick people on trial in the brig. Its not a Vegas Hotel.

[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

chengthao wrote...

prepared for the Reapers

You mean those "what should we do" kindergarden board? that's how they "prepared for Reapers"? 

they were scared b/c 1. dumb/bad writing and 2. they (Reapers) obliterated not 1 not 2 but 3 fleets . . . . with ease

-Seasoned officers at the peak of their careers with decades of expereince in leading men and women, some in combat, all of whom should have excellent grasp of tactics, politics, logistics, strategy etc... and they act like civillians from a latte shop? 

I'd say you got the first part right.

[chengthao]

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...

[quote]chengthao wrote...

right b/c we all know the judicial process is "quick and speedy"[/quote]
-Military tribunerals can be extremely fast, behind all sorts of cloak and dagger crap, and we dont really have time to waste. Your point again? [/quote]

its been 6 months since his/her arrest . . . . there have been 0 details on Sheprd's trial, we have no idea where they are in Shepard's trial . . . was s/he already convicted and simply meeting the Brass to advise or was s/he simply awaiting sentencing
[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...

[quote]chengthao wrote...
clearly Shepard's trial was more of a mock trial to play nice to the Batarians while the Alliance prepared for the Reapers[/quote]
-Strangely we are never let in on the details of said trial. We arent even informed why the batarians lets him get away with killing 300.000K. Now... I know its the Batarians and that they have a rather... frivolous... outlook on the value of life. But Im pretty sure that killing 300K would validate some sort of response from them. [/quote]

[/quote]

apparently it didn't b/c they were too busy being wiped out by the Reapers

Modifié par chengthao, 12 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[chengthao]

Farbautisonn wrote...

chengthao wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

chengthao wrote...

prepared for the Reapers

You mean those "what should we do" kindergarden board? that's how they "prepared for Reapers"? 

they were scared b/c 1. dumb/bad writing and 2. they (Reapers) obliterated not 1 not 2 but 3 fleets . . . . with ease

-Seasoned officers at the peak of their careers with decades of expereince in leading men and women, some in combat, all of whom should have excellent grasp of tactics, politics, logistics, strategy etc... and they act like civillians from a latte shop? 

I'd say you got the first part right.

i agree with you 100% on the whole "scraed, sh!tless officers thing but BW is really, really, REALLY bad at proper military portrayal so i just ignore it