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[survivor_686]

Shepard turns himself in.

As to why: in every origin story, Shepard for the most part has spent his life in the Alliance Military. He has spent time fighting for its ideals and seems to believe in it. So that's why he turns himself in.

[Rudy Lis]

chengthao wrote...

i agree with you 100% on the whole "scraed, sh!tless officers thing but BW is really, really, REALLY bad at proper military portrayal so i just ignore it

Good for you. But I cannot. It all breakes already shallow immersion.
Sort of using piece of hygienic napkin to wipe your armpits and crotch and imagine you had good bath. Yeah, I know, field trials and all that, but feeling is like that.

[Zkyire]

elfshepard wrote...

xsvrrx wrote...

heh you all seem to forget that in Mass Effect 1 the first thing you do on the Citadel is get a Specter fired with just a cheep autio recording.

Yeah but Saren attacked a colony for no good reason.

Saren attacked a human colony and was labeled a traitor for it and had his Spectre status revoked.

Shepard WIPED OUT a Batarian colony, kept his Spectre status and was "arrested" by the Alliance only as a means of keeping the Batarians from starting a war.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

but, if you use for avry mission the SPECTER role this not change the option in Arrival,

all my Female Shepard have used the SPECTER identification and not the Allience, so why i'm not able to prefer the SPECTER direction for no go in detention on EARTH.

[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...

its been 6 months since his/her arrest . . . . there have been 0 details on Sheprd's trial, we have no idea where they are in Shepard's trial . . . was s/he already convicted and simply meeting the Brass to advise or was s/he simply awaiting sentencing

-Its not Shephards trial as I gather. Its a defense tribuneral to validate his claim 1) and for him to offer strategic and tactical advice 2). Its more akin to a "hearing" than a trial. His "trial" must have been concluded at the stage where ME3 begins for it to make any sense. 

apparently it didn't b/c they were too busy being wiped out by the Reapers

-All the more reason not to sit in the brig and do nothing whilst the all the empirical evidence you need of a pending holocaust is happening next door. All the reason to speed things up. All the more reason to disregard anything but the facts that will enable humankind to stay alive. All the more reason to have Shephard "do his thing" rather than have 3 peak end officers and their staf fiddle paper for 6 months.

But no. Logic has no place here.

[Farbautisonn]

survivor_686 wrote...

Shepard turns himself in.

As to why: in every origin story, Shepard for the most part has spent his life in the Alliance Military. He has spent time fighting for its ideals and seems to believe in it. So that's why he turns himself in.

-And yet he has blatently disregarded orders given to him by officers and officials before. He isnt a "do it by the book" guy.

[Rudy Lis]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-And yet he has blatently disregarded orders given to him by officers and officials before. He isnt a "do it by the book" guy.

don't forget VS' favorite line: "you worked for Cerberus!"

[Farbautisonn]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-And yet he has blatently disregarded orders given to him by officers and officials before. He isnt a "do it by the book" guy.

don't forget VS' favorite line: "you worked for Cerberus!"

-I know... :happy:

[Guldhun2]

Oh wait, what's this?

UPDATED (Only if the player has not completed the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2)

Military Strength: -50
Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson.
The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony
and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together
scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had
no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by
the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women
lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.



So, why was Shepard arrested if he had nothing to do with the Batarian Colony? (If you didn't buy arrival)

Modifié par Guldhun2, 12 avril 2012 - 12:38 .

[chengthao]

Farbautisonn wrote...

chengthao wrote...
apparently it didn't b/c they were too busy being wiped out by the Reapers

-All the more reason not to sit in the brig and do nothing whilst the all the empirical evidence you need of a pending holocaust is happening next door. All the reason to speed things up. All the more reason to disregard anything but the facts that will enable humankind to stay alive. All the more reason to have Shephard "do his thing" rather than have 3 peak end officers and their staf fiddle paper for 6 months.

But no. Logic has no place here.

maybe Hackett reassured Shepard that the Alliance is preparing three fleets to hit the Reapers at Arcturus, maybe Anderson assured Shepard that he is preparing the Alliance for war with the Reapers and not the Batarians so as to not bog down resources

or maybe logic really doesn't have a place here . . . . idk?

[Farbautisonn]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Oh wait, what's this?

UPDATED (Only if the player has not completed the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2)

Military Strength: -50
Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson.
The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony
and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together
scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had
no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by
the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women
lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.



So, why was Shepard arrested if he had nothing to do with the Batarian Colony? (If you didn't buy arrival)

-Lulz... never saw that. So we only played the vanilla game we really have **** all reason to be there.

[chengthao]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Oh wait, what's this?

UPDATED (Only if the player has not completed the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2)

Military Strength: -50
Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson.
The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony
and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together
scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had
no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by
the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women
lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.



So, why was Shepard arrested if he had nothing to do with the Batarian Colony? (If you didn't buy arrival)

now thats a plot hole

[Eire Icon]

***** Spoilers Warning ********

Isn't Shepards Spectre statusreinstated at the start of ME3, regardless of decisions ?

That would imply to me that it was revoked at some stage between ME2 and 3 which is very understandable

[chengthao]

Eire Icon wrote...

***** Spoilers Warning ********

Isn't Shepards Spectre statusreinstated at the start of ME3, regardless of decisions ?

That would imply to me that it was revoked at some stage between ME2 and 3 which is very understandable

no . . . if Shepard was reinstated in ME2 than the council just "upholds" Shepard's Spectre status

[chengthao]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Actually, that's not a plothole.

1. Shepard turns himself in.
2. He is reinstated at the beginning of the game. Unfortunately we are not given any choice here. It's obviously meant to strengthen his ties to Earth, but they should have given Shepard an option to refuse reinstatement and remain a Spectre instead. It was not written all too well.

how does re-joining the Alliance invalidate his/her Spectre status?

last i checked, you can be both an Alliance Marine?soldier?sailor?airman? and a Spectre

[Eire Icon]

chengthao wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

***** Spoilers Warning ********

Isn't Shepards Spectre statusreinstated at the start of ME3, regardless of decisions ?

That would imply to me that it was revoked at some stage between ME2 and 3 which is very understandable

no . . . if Shepard was reinstated in ME2 than the council just "upholds" Shepard's Spectre status

In Me2 yes - but at the beginning of ME3 he is reinstated even if he was a Spectre in ME2 - which implies he was either stripped of his status or stepped down from the role - hence he is not above the law anymore

[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...
maybe Hackett reassured Shepard that the Alliance is preparing three fleets to hit the Reapers at Arcturus, maybe Anderson assured Shepard that he is preparing the Alliance for war with the Reapers and not the Batarians so as to not bog down resources

-Thats alot of "maybe's" and still doesnt explain why the alliance greatest asset and the most knowledgeable person about the reapers is kept in the BRIG not a Lab or in some warcollege. No. Instead we keep him locked up/confined to the brig, and have him sit on his hands for six months. Because for all we know and according to shep himself, thats pretty much what happened.

or maybe logic really doesn't have a place here . . . . idk?

-There has to be logic and especially ingame logic enough to maintain suspension of disbelief. If I am from the word "go"  prevented from believing anything I never reach "in character" and I am just a guy watching half-arsed cinematics. If I wanted that I could play "Freelancer". At least those cinematics and that logic worked.

[chengthao]

Eire Icon wrote...

chengthao wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

***** Spoilers Warning ********

Isn't Shepards Spectre statusreinstated at the start of ME3, regardless of decisions ?

That would imply to me that it was revoked at some stage between ME2 and 3 which is very understandable

no . . . if Shepard was reinstated in ME2 than the council just "upholds" Shepard's Spectre status

In Me2 yes - but at the beginning of ME3 he is reinstated even if he was a Spectre in ME2 - which implies he was either stripped of his status or stepped down from the role - hence he is not above the law anymore

the Council upholds my Spectre status in ME3, they didn't reinstate

even Anderson says "your a Council Spectre" not "you used to be a council Spectre"

[chengthao]

Farbautisonn wrote...

chengthao wrote...
maybe Hackett reassured Shepard that the Alliance is preparing three fleets to hit the Reapers at Arcturus, maybe Anderson assured Shepard that he is preparing the Alliance for war with the Reapers and not the Batarians so as to not bog down resources

-Thats alot of "maybe's" and still doesnt explain why the alliance greatest asset and the most knowledgeable person about the reapers is kept in the BRIG not a Lab or in some warcollege. No. Instead we keep him locked up/confined to the brig, and have him sit on his hands for six months. Because for all we know and according to shep himself, thats pretty much what happened.

or maybe logic really doesn't have a place here . . . . idk?

-There has to be logic and especially ingame logic enough to maintain suspension of disbelief. If I am from the word "go"  prevented from believing anything I never reach "in character" and I am just a guy watching half-arsed cinematics. If I wanted that I could play "Freelancer". At least those cinematics and that logic worked.

it can all be explained in one sentence

bad writing

hence the "ending is supposed to make us think"

i call it bad writng

Modifié par chengthao, 12 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[Rudy Lis]

chengthao wrote...

no . . . if Shepard was reinstated in ME2 than the council just "upholds" Shepard's Spectre status

Yes, case of all of my Sheps.

- This makes no sense!
- Stop thinking like a scientist. It shouldn't make sense, just be swept away by ****storm.

[Wulfram]

Though my Shepard with a dead Council who was reinstated by Anderson got the "you used to be a council Spectre" line.

[Wulfram]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Thats alot of "maybe's" and still doesnt explain why the alliance greatest asset and the most knowledgeable person about the reapers is kept in the BRIG not a Lab or in some warcollege. No. Instead we keep him locked up/confined to the brig, and have him sit on his hands for six months. Because for all we know and according to shep himself, thats pretty much what happened.

In fairness, he was kept in brig conveniently located so that he could be consulted by alliance command whenever they wanted.

[Lotion Soronarr]

elfshepard wrote...
But all Shepard did was press a button, the Alliance set up the whole thing. They were planning to do it even before Shepard got involved. So why do the Batarians care so much about Shepard they should be pissed at the Alliance regardless.

What you - the player - knows about the incident, and what other involved parties know are compeltely different things.

As far as the galaxy is concenrned, the reapers dont' exist. Hence, Shep blew up an entire system for no proper reason.

Shep is alos still a mameber of the Alliance, and alliance citizn, and alliance soldier. Despite the Specter status.

And lastly - politics. You can't escape from politics, even in space. Just because he is a Specter, doesnt' mean he can do anything he wants and he can get away with it. The Council could easily abandom him if he becomes too politicly inconvenient.

[Rudy Lis]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As far as the galaxy is concenrned, the reapers dont' exist. Hence, Shep blew up an entire system for no proper reason.

Of course, there are no vid-cams in future...
Oh, wait, they are - message from Eden prime at very beginning of ME1.

Sarcasm may dwell there.