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[Rudy Lis]

chengthao wrote...

there are a few but most games with a military setting get things wrong . . . . refering Marines as soldiers . . . Navy Corpsman as medics . . . . Marines calling helicopters choppers instead of helos . . . one guy totally dominating while surrounded by a bunch of inept soldiers/marines . . . . than the totally dominating guy never gets promoted for exceptional leadership or skill . . . . hell BF3 couldn't even get something as simple as the USMC uniform right

Sounds familiar for most cases.
Regarding BF3 though, I think existing mish-mash IRL in field equipment (not uniform, since there is little "uniformity") add-up to that. I'm not US servicemen, but images and private "words" suggesting wide use of CotS products.

[Pinkeye60]

Just wondering where people are getting that Shepard was striped of his/her spectre status? When he/she was reinstated at the end of the 1st level it's reinstated in the Alliance Military (isn't it his/her alliance dog tags that Anderson throws?). His spectre status (at least as far as I can tell) was unaffected.

[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...

apparently . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . he is

-He wouldnt have lived that long nor been a part of a tactical outfit if he were.

Tactical units want guys who can think first, has willpower second and can lift stuff thirdly.. if thirdly even comes into the equation. If you can lug about a 70 kilo bergen while your feet bleeds for a week, and still maintain tactical oversight and discipline you are SF material. If you can run a marathon and benchpress half a tonne, find something else to do.

[Rudy Lis]

Farbautisonn wrote...

If you can run a marathon and benchpress half a tonne, find something else to do.

Yes. Muzzle velocity unaffected by muscle size.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 12 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

1 - Not all Shepards got Spectre status back in ME2

2 - Shepard is an Alliance marine, so yes, he still represents and answers to the Alliance

3 - In Arrival, he was doing a personal favor to Hackett off the records, which ended up badly. So it was a business tied' up to the Alliance. The council and being a Spectre had nothing to do with that.

[bluewolv1970]

So Shepard is a spectre - buddies with the leader of Tuchanka, has ins with the STG, has his own ship with stealth drive, has Cerberus connections and is friends with (and or dating) the Shadow Broker and yet he feels the need to turn himself into the alliance because of something he did in non alliance space while not an active member of the alliance...how does that make sense to anyone...I mean shepard is about as above the law as you can get...

[bleachorange]

Kitty Fae wrote...

elfshepard wrote...

And why the hell is kitty fae bringing politics into this. Keep your foolish opinions to yourself.

Hey, you brought up syndey and chinese. I'm just clarifying your metaporric stuff.

Point is that first and foremost, shep's a human, she's a systems alliance soldier, and is thus under thier jurisdiction. Not anyone else's.

Also. i sense a troll thread here.

Is a United Nations agent brought in by an individual government for questioning, or are they referred back to the UN? Is a CIA operative brought before the state of Florida for collateral damage in an operation in Cuba, or is the operative brought before the US Federal Govt and their jurisdiction? It's a legitimate question.

[bleachorange]

elfshepard wrote...

Amberion wrote...

elfshepard wrote...

Yes but why turn yourself over to the Alliance. Basically you ignored the question

Because shepard actually cares about the political situation and how the blowback with the batarians would affect the alliance's military readiness. She knows the reapers are coming, and the Alliance simply cannot affort to be fighting a war with the batarians. So she turned herself in to defuse tensions and show the batarians that the alliance is willing to take responsibility for their own. This averted a war, and saved human lives that could then go on to fight the reapers.

But all Shepard did was press a button the Alliance set up the whole thing. They were planning to do it even before Shepard got involved. So why do the Batarians care so much about Shepard they should be pissed at the Alliance regardless.

Shepard has won the coveted role of scapegoat. It happens all over the world every day when bad stuff happens. They condemn Shepard so their actions aren't condemned. It's an easy blame shift.

[Filanwizard]

It was a formality, Mostly done to shut up the Batarians. I have a feeling his prison time was spent in whatever the ME equal to those Club Med prisons that real world corporate execs get sent to from time to time where its not really prison and more like a nice hotel you cant leave.

[MEGoWH777]

I think the fact that he just killed 300,000 batarians for a what is just a myth to the council, would genrally end in shepards specter status being removed.

[bluewolv1970]

MEGoWH777 wrote...

I think the fact that he just killed 300,000 batarians for a what is just a myth to the council, would genrally end in shepards specter status being removed.

except that it was not removed

[BouncyCaitian]

mainly because the Batarian government is generally unpleasant that Shepard 'Lost' Spectre Status. And there was something about 300,000+ Batarians killed when the Alpha Relay went up.

Mostly, it was to shut the Batarians up. The Council and The Alliance, while they understood what Shepard had to do, had to throw a bone to prevent war.

Hence Shepard's set ground side at half-pay. The hardcore evidence he brought back from that Relay going up also made the Alliance have his back when they figured out that he wasn't a loonie.

[Anaki86]

Actually Shepard's spectre status was suspended in ME2. They had taken it after he was killed in ME2 and didn't reinstate it when he returned because he was working with Cerberus. During the scene after the council meeting in ME3 where the turian councilor asks Shepard to get the Primarch he notes that Shep's spectre status has been reinstated.

[DannieCraft]

 I would have loved a version of ME3, where Shepard stayed with Cerberus and fought the Alliance.
"The Illusive man may be extreme, but he is right"  

[bleachorange]

Anaki86 wrote...

Actually Shepard's spectre status was suspended in ME2. They had taken it after he was killed in ME2 and didn't reinstate it when he returned because he was working with Cerberus. During the scene after the council meeting in ME3 where the turian councilor asks Shepard to get the Primarch he notes that Shep's spectre status has been reinstated.

Actually that depends on who the Earth Councillor was in ME2. If Anderson was your choice, you can get reinstated then if you want. If so, in ME3, the Turian councilor 'upholds' your spectre status since you were on a probation of sorts due to your dealings with Cerberus.

[Filanwizard]

bleachorange wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Actually Shepard's spectre status was suspended in ME2. They had taken it after he was killed in ME2 and didn't reinstate it when he returned because he was working with Cerberus. During the scene after the council meeting in ME3 where the turian councilor asks Shepard to get the Primarch he notes that Shep's spectre status has been reinstated.

Actually that depends on who the Earth Councillor was in ME2. If Anderson was your choice, you can get reinstated then if you want. If so, in ME3, the Turian councilor 'upholds' your spectre status since you were on a probation of sorts due to your dealings with Cerberus.

I was wondering why people claimed he was not a spectre,  When I know in my ME2 play through it was reinstated as long as he kept his dealings out in the terminus systems.

[lewis251]

Shepard is also arrested for being part/working with Cerbeus, I don't have arrival DLC so in ME3 Andreson doesn't mention it and simple says "**** you've done" and some Alliance marines did arrival blowing up a relay stuff.

Cerbeus is an terrorist organizations so Alliance do have the right to arrest shepard, they even tired to do it several times in ME2 but were stopped by hackett, hell even the council tired to arrest you but were stopped by Anderson.

this is supported by Dr chashaws in ME3 when talking about her not being arrested is becuase she wasn't technally part of Cerbeus, nothing about arrival DLC

[AlexMBrennan]

Simple. The Alliance nicely asked Shepard to not leave the compound to avoid having to go to the council to have the first human Spectre declared rogue. Shepard, not wanting to hurt his cause even more, agreed.

See? There are lots of plausible explanations for this event.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 12 avril 2012 - 07:58 .

[Chewin]

DannieCraft wrote...

 I would have loved a version of ME3, where Shepard stayed with Cerberus and fought the Alliance.
"The Illusive man may be extreme, but he is right"  

Oh, I wish.

But I would still have stabbed him in the back and taken over.

[CroGamer002]

elfshepard wrote...

Actually turning yourself in is only one of the options in the Arrival DLC

But I guess Bioware doesn't care about choices

NO THERE WASN'T!


Shepard can complain, but that's it.


And why would you NOT turn yourself over?
If you don't, Batarian Hegemony and System's Alliance get in war with Reapers in galaxy.


What kind of selfish idiot Shepard has to be not to turn himself over?

[Inutaisho7996]

The Council wasn't apprehensive about arresting Saren because he was a Spectre. They weren't going to arrest him because they didn't have any evidence he was actually behind the attack on Eden Prime. The second they did, they stripped him of his Spectre status sent someone to arrest him.

When Shepard tells Tela Vasir that he'll tell the Council that she blew up the Dracon Trade Center, she doesn't say she's a Spectre so it doesn't matter. She says she'll tell them Cerberus did that, and that they'll believe a Spectre over a person who's known to be working with a terroist organization.

Spectres are only above the law when they're on Council business, not when they attempt to start a war.

[General User]

A SpecTRe's legal immunity only goes as far as the Council is willing to let it.

In other words, if the Council signed off on the Alliance arresting Shepard, there's legally nothing the Commander could do about it.

[crazyrabbits]

Prismvg wrote...

Plus it was just a formality. They needed to keep the Batarians of his back.

Too bad that plotline was essentially ignored in the game. Aside from that one Batarian in the refugee ward who mentions how everyone hates you, there's no real consequences in the plot or narrative.

Basically, the ME2 DLC's were pointless to ME3's plot.

[tbb033]

Shep's still a human, still under Alliance jurisdiction regardless of Spectre status. If they tried to arrest Blasto, that might actually be worth discussion of "how?".