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#201
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RyanPun1991 wrote...

difficulty felt the same, but they do seem to stomp a lot faster


Yeah... Atlas stomps a lot more too... or should I say PunchToDaFace... Saw this one Atlas knock down me and two friends and punch us one after the other... SLAM, SLAM, SLAM. Only reason we didn't rez ourselves was we had a lag spike and the Atlas took advantage of it.

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Since I started playing MP, I've seen random moments of sudden deadification.

While I've been playing, that hasn't changed.

Maybe some of you lot got so much better than when you'd started that your egos swelled (it happens; do not take this as an insult, as it's not intended to be one) to the point you couldn't imagine yourself falling on the lower difficulties again. When you think you've become too skilled to die like that, the random deadification suddenly becomes a glaring issue worthy of attention. Whereas, before, it was just an "Oh, damn. Revive!"

Our perceptions can twist about our perspectives, and vice versa, making the random seem biased... and vice versa.

I'm still not good enough to run gold (without feeling like the team could find someone better), so I just take it as those freak deadification moments I've been seeing all along when my shields drop suddenly. Also, I suspect headshots and lag.

Modifié par Laughing Wolf, 13 avril 2012 - 12:32 .


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Can't say I've noticed it and I mostly play silver. Only go on gold when 2 or 3 friends are on and that is harder. Not a lot harder, but harder. Can't recall the last time I've lost on silver though.

#204
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I've had my issues (and complaints, for those who know), but I have no reason to doubt them when they say they have not made changes.

That said, there is the possibility of unintended consequences with the changes that they do make, as well as the occasional host who has modified his/her files.

For modified files, why not do a parity check (or check-sum, whatever) from the server for whoever is hosting and disable the game launch if they don't match up? Packet loss can't be that big of an issue that it prevents this sort of thing.

#205
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Rofl, so many of you are delusional.

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Silver seems like the same to me, the thing that can make silver difficult is that people don't really take it serious. Especially if you are used to win on gold. Imo people seems to run around headless in silver just like people do in bronze, the problem is that in silver that can actually get you killed, and if you are unlucky your team wipes.

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bronze is easier to solo than do with 4 people usually for me. Seems they are all running about and causing me to be flanked and spreading the enemies about or making them spawn in crappy spots.

Normally when i promote i just do a quick solo bronze to make life easier, then head up to silver.

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I haven't noticed any difficultly changes. That or I've passed them over as my own overconfidence/different setups.

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Brenon Holmes wrote...

Nevadie 305 wrote...

No what im saying is that their trying to test the game live and every day, sometimes every game is a totally different experience difficulty wise as it was not before apr 3 when the patch came out and these posts all started coming up.


No, we do actually have an internal test server... and all the hotfixes are tested internally before they're deployed to the live servers.

It's an interesting idea to get more people into the pool though but I'm not sure how feasible it would be. Off the top of my head I think it would be pretty difficult to get some of the infrastructure set up. I can definitely bring it up though.


yeah more tester from around the world can be helpfull for find weird stuff ^^

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Sofie1991 wrote...

It's so hard to ignore the "it's getting harder and harder" xD


You don't get out much, do you?.

#211
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9 pages for a stupid thread about a noob tanking with a Krogan?. Come on..

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OP is bad

/end thread.

Lies all THE time, on bronze à rocket trooper can't take out à lvl 20 their shield in 1 hit.

On gold however the rocket trooper can blow my SI shield off.

Either you are 1 **** player or you're one hell of à liar.

Also N7 is nothing but e-peen, I don't promote because it ruins my singleplayer yet if I Would have been à promoter my n7 would be around 2000 ish instead of the 120 i got atm.

The AI's in this game vary there are really ****e AI's but there are beas AI's as well. I had geth hunters who would take out 2 people with ease on gold, yet it is random if you get the good omes or the bad ones

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Just played Bronze, Silver and Gold last night for a few rounds each.
We extracted on every Silver and Bronze, everything was exactly the same as it has always been. I was on both my Human Sentinel and my Salarian Infiltrator and I had no issue at all.

We even finished a full match of Silver with 2 level 8's while I was on my lvl 20 SI but got stuck with the "default weapon set" glitch (Mantis I + Shuriken I no mods). I still cleaned the floor with that crappy set up.

We lost on Gold because someone was using a lvl 14 Krogan Soldier which caused our hosting Human Vanguard to quit in round 4. We limped through round 6 but got wiped by a Phantom rush.

My experience was IDENTICAL to what it was last week. The OP is a lying troll.

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I have noticed the difficulty increasing a small amount... whether its that they nerf my favorite weapons or buff the enemies AI or SOMETHING. It could just be because I'm bad though... who knows

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just played a game on bronze, geth
our team: lvl 4, 9, 18 and 10
skill above average, n7 ratings >100
wipe on wave 10, one burst kills by geth troopers, instant finish off after player incap
the only reason i made it past wave 5 was my GPS

beside that, i regularly play firebase dagger with cerberus on silver. but i haven't been able to win a game with that setting for 2 days in a row now. before, i played several games every day and we hardly lost any. i just cannot believe, that i'm in a newbie team that often. and even if i were the newbie i doubt that at some point the other playes couldn't make up for that

i created a poll about that topic:
social.bioware.com/2293687/polls/32151/
since every platform has its own server, you can choose yes or no for your corresponding platform

Modifié par demolition-at, 13 avril 2012 - 06:39 .


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Omega-202 wrote...

Just played Bronze, Silver and Gold last night for a few rounds each.
We extracted on every Silver and Bronze, everything was exactly the same as it has always been. I was on both my Human Sentinel and my Salarian Infiltrator and I had no issue at all.

We even finished a full match of Silver with 2 level 8's while I was on my lvl 20 SI but got stuck with the "default weapon set" glitch (Mantis I + Shuriken I no mods). I still cleaned the floor with that crappy set up.

We lost on Gold because someone was using a lvl 14 Krogan Soldier which caused our hosting Human Vanguard to quit in round 4. We limped through round 6 but got wiped by a Phantom rush.

My experience was IDENTICAL to what it was last week. The OP is a lying troll.

Lying troll?
http://social.biowar...ndex/9308234/17 
Try paying attention to the information given. The buffs and Nerfs that BW are continuously changing create an unstable playing environment, causing a silver match to randomly become harder than gold, and a gols to be a walk in the park, and vise-versa.
Before you attack someone, make sure you've got your info straight.

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yeah, I think one or two "buffs" ago gold was perfect for me...a good challenge even in private matches, a nightmare on public.
the thing I feel negative about it is that its a lot harder to succeed on gold in public matches = frustrating and it takes longer = gets boring.
hopefully now the buffs to armor/health/shields will stop. they buff/make assault rifles and smg's better/usable.

add some new enemies, rewards (boss on wave 11 ? for xtra credits) and I think we'll be on the right path.

then a vs mode like on left4dead 4 players as enemies/ 4 players as we are = coool!

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onewhitetea wrote...

 vs mode like on left4dead 4 players as enemies/ 4 players as we are = coool!


^ This.

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Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

Just played Bronze, Silver and Gold last night for a few rounds each.
We extracted on every Silver and Bronze, everything was exactly the same as it has always been. I was on both my Human Sentinel and my Salarian Infiltrator and I had no issue at all.

We even finished a full match of Silver with 2 level 8's while I was on my lvl 20 SI but got stuck with the "default weapon set" glitch (Mantis I + Shuriken I no mods). I still cleaned the floor with that crappy set up.

We lost on Gold because someone was using a lvl 14 Krogan Soldier which caused our hosting Human Vanguard to quit in round 4. We limped through round 6 but got wiped by a Phantom rush.

My experience was IDENTICAL to what it was last week. The OP is a lying troll.

Lying troll?
http://social.biowar...ndex/9308234/17 
Try paying attention to the information given. The buffs and Nerfs that BW are continuously changing create an unstable playing environment, causing a silver match to randomly become harder than gold, and a gols to be a walk in the park, and vise-versa.
Before you attack someone, make sure you've got your info straight.



I find it disappointing (in so many places, not just here) that only insults and inflamatory criticism receive a response, while well-reasoned theories and suggestions are ignored.

It's like you (the collective you, the you that represents anyone who makes a complaint on the forums) only want to make a complaint and for that complaint to be validated by those sharing the same perspective, not discussed or reasoned.  And, of course, it's easier to respond to those inflammatory posts because they can be argued without ever taking into consideration a new perspective or new information, so the merit of the original complaint never needs to be reevaluated.

You (the OP "you", now) commented to another poster that you don't reply to "a slightly intelligent comment that DOES NOT ask for a response", but you point out the idiots.  I would suggest maybe that's the wrong way to have an intelligent discussion.  I'm also disappointed I personally didn't see that reply (though I noticed the trend) until rereading the thread just now.  It validates my irritation at people who post complaints.  Reasonable discussion should not need to follow every post with "Please comment." 

For that reason, done following this.  Good luck with your random difficulty spikes, whatever may be the cause.

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I was playing on silver at the new map, "Condor", and on wave 10 we had 6 banshees and 2 brutes + the usual trash and a couple of ravagers. It was pretty insane to say the least. I don't remember silver having that many elite bosses in one single wave.

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Laughing Wolf wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

Just played Bronze, Silver and Gold last night for a few rounds each.
We extracted on every Silver and Bronze, everything was exactly the same as it has always been. I was on both my Human Sentinel and my Salarian Infiltrator and I had no issue at all.

We even finished a full match of Silver with 2 level 8's while I was on my lvl 20 SI but got stuck with the "default weapon set" glitch (Mantis I + Shuriken I no mods). I still cleaned the floor with that crappy set up.

We lost on Gold because someone was using a lvl 14 Krogan Soldier which caused our hosting Human Vanguard to quit in round 4. We limped through round 6 but got wiped by a Phantom rush.

My experience was IDENTICAL to what it was last week. The OP is a lying troll.

Lying troll?
http://social.biowar...ndex/9308234/17 
Try paying attention to the information given. The buffs and Nerfs that BW are continuously changing create an unstable playing environment, causing a silver match to randomly become harder than gold, and a gols to be a walk in the park, and vise-versa.
Before you attack someone, make sure you've got your info straight.



I find it disappointing (in so many places, not just here) that only insults and inflamatory criticism receive a response, while well-reasoned theories and suggestions are ignored.

It's like you (the collective you, the you that represents anyone who makes a complaint on the forums) only want to make a complaint and for that complaint to be validated by those sharing the same perspective, not discussed or reasoned.  And, of course, it's easier to respond to those inflammatory posts because they can be argued without ever taking into consideration a new perspective or new information, so the merit of the original complaint never needs to be reevaluated.

You (the OP "you", now) commented to another poster that you don't reply to "a slightly intelligent comment that DOES NOT ask for a response", but you point out the idiots.  I would suggest maybe that's the wrong way to have an intelligent discussion.  I'm also disappointed I personally didn't see that reply (though I noticed the trend) until rereading the thread just now.  It validates my irritation at people who post complaints.  Reasonable discussion should not need to follow every post with "Please comment." 

For that reason, done following this.  Good luck with your random difficulty spikes, whatever may be the cause.


Your post in and of itself is a complaint.
I don't need to shoot holes in a post that makes sense. therefor i don't even try.
The post i knock down are the one coming from people who attempt to rip others down simply to inflate their own ego.

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Since you're krogan I'm assuming you're running in with no regard for you life in bronze matches.

You should die after wave 6. Period.


I don't have any issue. But then again, I'm not reckless. Still get the high score too (but what does that matter?).

Modifié par Coder4Hire, 14 avril 2012 - 04:44 .


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Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Laughing Wolf wrote...

I find it disappointing (in so many places, not just here) that only insults and inflamatory criticism receive a response, while well-reasoned theories and suggestions are ignored.

It's like you (the collective you, the you that represents anyone who makes a complaint on the forums) only want to make a complaint and for that complaint to be validated by those sharing the same perspective, not discussed or reasoned.  And, of course, it's easier to respond to those inflammatory posts because they can be argued without ever taking into consideration a new perspective or new information, so the merit of the original complaint never needs to be reevaluated.

You (the OP "you", now) commented to another poster that you don't reply to "a slightly intelligent comment that DOES NOT ask for a response", but you point out the idiots.  I would suggest maybe that's the wrong way to have an intelligent discussion.  I'm also disappointed I personally didn't see that reply (though I noticed the trend) until rereading the thread just now.  It validates my irritation at people who post complaints.  Reasonable discussion should not need to follow every post with "Please comment." 

For that reason, done following this.  Good luck with your random difficulty spikes, whatever may be the cause.


Your post in and of itself is a complaint.
I don't need to shoot holes in a post that makes sense. therefor i don't even try.
The post i knock down are the one coming from people who attempt to rip others down simply to inflate their own ego.


Tab was still open in my browser when my computer restarted, so I was unfortunate enough to see this.  It's very difficult for me to avoid sarcasm here, so bear wtih me.

You're correct.  My post is a complaint.  That you responded to it illustrates my point.  That you say you don't need to "shoot holes in a post that makes sense" illustrates my point.  That isn't a discussion.  It's a flamewar.  Or whatever kids are calling it, these days.  The likelihood of reaching any kind of consensus or intelligent discussion with these people you "knock down" is close to nil, so the only thing you accomplish by responding to them is ... well ... nothing.

If you actually want to discuss whether MP is getting more difficult or if it's just your (and others') imagining, ignore the e-peen and focus on the ideas and theories offered.  I offered one possible observation/explanation previously in the thread.  That's all irrelevant and off topic, though.

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615759-mass-effect-3/62469168

Seriously, the MP has been getting more and more difficult.

<snip>

Here's BW thread they started for this very issue, read it through.

http://social.biowar...ndex/9308234/17


Lol, gamefaqs.  I've seen some ridiculous posturing on those boards.  That thread wasn't bad at all.  But even on that thread, as in this one, there are people who disagreed.

And here, you have seen people who disagree with you.  That have said they've noticed no increase in difficulty, myself included.  If BW was raising difficulty across the board, I think I'd notice.  I can barely handle silver on an uncoordinated team.  I'd sure as heck notice if bronze was suddenly much harder.

Lastly, the BW thread you quoted "for this very issue" isn't about MP becoming harder.  It has nothing to do with what you seem to be experiencing.  It's about the "any difficulty" selection putting new players into silver matches, which can be very off-putting.  BW has not indicated in any way that they've done anything to increase the difficulty.  In fact, they've debunked that, only to have some incredibly rude retired marine call them a liar.

No matter what argument is presented from either side, though, I think the most telling observation that your theory may be flawed is that not everyone else has noticed it.  Again, if it were a flat, game-wide difficulty increase (for whatever tinfoil conspiracy anyone might come up with), everyone who's played all three difficulties and knows their limits would notice it.

Alternate theories that have been presented:
* headshots
* enemy AI becoming deliberately more aggressive the longer any individual enemy has been on the map
* subjective perception; noticing it more keenly when you fail after you feel like you've gotten better
* bad luck, mate

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Coder4Hire wrote...

Since you're krogan I'm assuming you're running in with no regard for you life in bronze matches.

You should die after wave 6. Period.


I don't have any issue. But then again, I'm not reckless. Still get the high score too (but what does that matter?).


Try reading the posts dude, i've already stated i don;t go running in with melee. i stack up on power weapons due to the fact that krogans don't have overly powerpul powers, and the Sent. ans Sold. classes both use grenades anyway. So i Sniper and a Shotgun work perfectly for it.
I sit back and pop heads off enemies with the Widow, and when they flank grenades and Claymore. Tech armor and high health/shields take care of my lifespan very well.

I've seen many a person run headlong into a crowd with a krogan bcuz they think they're unstoppable, i simply let them die when they fall over.

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Laughing Wolf wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Laughing Wolf wrote...

I find it disappointing (in so many places, not just here) that only insults and inflamatory criticism receive a response, while well-reasoned theories and suggestions are ignored.

It's like you (the collective you, the you that represents anyone who makes a complaint on the forums) only want to make a complaint and for that complaint to be validated by those sharing the same perspective, not discussed or reasoned.  And, of course, it's easier to respond to those inflammatory posts because they can be argued without ever taking into consideration a new perspective or new information, so the merit of the original complaint never needs to be reevaluated.

You (the OP "you", now) commented to another poster that you don't reply to "a slightly intelligent comment that DOES NOT ask for a response", but you point out the idiots.  I would suggest maybe that's the wrong way to have an intelligent discussion.  I'm also disappointed I personally didn't see that reply (though I noticed the trend) until rereading the thread just now.  It validates my irritation at people who post complaints.  Reasonable discussion should not need to follow every post with "Please comment." 

For that reason, done following this.  Good luck with your random difficulty spikes, whatever may be the cause.


Your post in and of itself is a complaint.
I don't need to shoot holes in a post that makes sense. therefor i don't even try.
The post i knock down are the one coming from people who attempt to rip others down simply to inflate their own ego.


Tab was still open in my browser when my computer restarted, so I was unfortunate enough to see this.  It's very difficult for me to avoid sarcasm here, so bear wtih me.

You're correct.  My post is a complaint.  That you responded to it illustrates my point.  That you say you don't need to "shoot holes in a post that makes sense" illustrates my point.  That isn't a discussion.  It's a flamewar.  Or whatever kids are calling it, these days.  The likelihood of reaching any kind of consensus or intelligent discussion with these people you "knock down" is close to nil, so the only thing you accomplish by responding to them is ... well ... nothing.

If you actually want to discuss whether MP is getting more difficult or if it's just your (and others') imagining, ignore the e-peen and focus on the ideas and theories offered.  I offered one possible observation/explanation previously in the thread.  That's all irrelevant and off topic, though.

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615759-mass-effect-3/62469168

Seriously, the MP has been getting more and more difficult.

<snip>

Here's BW thread they started for this very issue, read it through.

http://social.biowar...ndex/9308234/17


Lol, gamefaqs.  I've seen some ridiculous posturing on those boards.  That thread wasn't bad at all.  But even on that thread, as in this one, there are people who disagreed.

And here, you have seen people who disagree with you.  That have said they've noticed no increase in difficulty, myself included.  If BW was raising difficulty across the board, I think I'd notice.  I can barely handle silver on an uncoordinated team.  I'd sure as heck notice if bronze was suddenly much harder.

Lastly, the BW thread you quoted "for this very issue" isn't about MP becoming harder.  It has nothing to do with what you seem to be experiencing.  It's about the "any difficulty" selection putting new players into silver matches, which can be very off-putting.  BW has not indicated in any way that they've done anything to increase the difficulty.  In fact, they've debunked that, only to have some incredibly rude retired marine call them a liar.

No matter what argument is presented from either side, though, I think the most telling observation that your theory may be flawed is that not everyone else has noticed it.  Again, if it were a flat, game-wide difficulty increase (for whatever tinfoil conspiracy anyone might come up with), everyone who's played all three difficulties and knows their limits would notice it.

Alternate theories that have been presented:
* headshots
* enemy AI becoming deliberately more aggressive the longer any individual enemy has been on the map
* subjective perception; noticing it more keenly when you fail after you feel like you've gotten better
* bad luck, mate


Have you ever considered that its NOT a flat increase? that the different servers, being controlled by different groups are being affected slightly differently? That the spike glitching is different depending on the group you play with and the server you're on?
That, and 4 out of 5 people not only on here and on every other thread i've found about this agree, something has been altered in the online gameplay.
I've played all three challenges, i regularly play silver because typically a good player can carry a not so good player through the rounds, so if i get stuck with an idiot player we can still survive. While on gold, if you don;t know what you;re getting into, you'll bring your entire team down.