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[retic]

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I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

Modifié par retic, 12 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[Chrillze]

retic wrote...

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I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

No one will ever be able to make EA and BioWare shutdown, but I agree this is just pathetic. this is too much for a videogame

[evisneffo]

I don't think anyone reported them, did they? I was under the impression this was just a piece written by someone from the BBB. Unless I'm misunderstanding your post.

Anyway, I'd agree. I'm no fan of the ending, but like the FTC deal trying to take action on legal grounds is going a bit far for me.

[Michel1986]

retic wrote...

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I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

It's not about the endings (16 ending ? we only got 3). It's about all the promises and advertisements they made. Look at the sticky from Jarrod for a sample, he said you don't need multiplayer to get the ''perfect ending'' yet i did a full playthrough (fully paragon) from ME1, ME2 and ME3 with the same char + New game+ and there is no way you get the so called ''perfect ending''. The best EMS i got was 3524 and from my research in the coalesced.bin file you can get around 3650.

Everyone who said they got EMS above 3650 without multiplayer is lieing.

[nycmode75]

It's an interesting phenomenon, but I really don't think doing this will ultimately serve any greater purpose.

[Travie]

They falsely advertised their game. If they end up with a lower BBB rating it will be justice.

[AlexMBrennan]

Try to fail less at reading comprehension. The BBB's article and the FTC complaint are entirely unrelated to the ending fiasco.

Having a crappy ending is one thing. False advertising, on the other hand, is illegal. You know how CGI trailers feature a disclaimer that it's not in-game footage? I'm not sure that's legally required, but fans certainly expect content without such a disclaimer to be actually found in the game - yet Bioware happily uses cut content to advertise their game in promotional videos found on masseffect.com

[Michel1986]

evisneffo wrote...

Anyway, I'd agree. I'm no fan of the ending, but like the FTC deal trying to take action on legal grounds is going a bit far for me.

EA got away with alot of things, i hope FTC will sue them in every possible way really. I am tired of their crap games and shítty support.

[thunderhawk862002]

What's really funny is people that used to have this particular view have switched their tune to BBB is a money grabbing organization and isn't legitimate at all. So it went from going too far to oh the BBB isn't a valid consumer watchdog company. Hilarious.

[nycmode75]

The problem with fighting a huge beast with multiple tentacles is, by cutting one off, you still don't do as much damage as you'd like.

EA's Sims, FIFA, NFS and Madden series are four of the top 15 best selling franchises of all time. Their sales from Bioware are a drop in the bucket compared to those four money makers on a historical basis, though there is no doubt the recent debacle has definitely hurt the momentum from the ME core following.

The folks who buy those other games may not share the same kind of beef (albeit a legit beef) that Mass Effect fans share. Unless you can convince folks not to buy games from those other franchises, I really doubt all this uproar will have any material impact on EA in the long haul even if the stock has been hit lately (though one can argue that the stock has followed the recent highs/lows of the broader markets with some bad PR hits along the way).

Unless you unilaterally convince fans from their real money making franchises to say *$@#$ off to EA, this is just gonna fade over time.

Modifié par nycmode75, 12 avril 2012 - 03:08 .

[Captian Cornhole]

It's absurd how people have come to the point where they get butthurt over a video game.

[mauro2222]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

It's absurd how people have come to the point where they get butthurt over a video game.

It's also a product

[AlexMBrennan]

So? Do you not complain when they get your order wrong at Starbucks (or whatever)? If I order a cappuchino, I want a cappuccino and not an expertly made americano.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 12 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

It's absurd how people have come to the point where they get butthurt over a video game.

A video game that initially costs $60.  Of course that doesn't count the other 2 games and DLC.   I don't care how much a product costs.  If it was advertised falsely then they should be called out on it.  If you buy condoms that advertised 99% effectiveness but really only offered 75% that would be a big problem.

[Amyra]

Travie wrote...

They falsely advertised their game. If they end up with a lower BBB rating it will be justice.

I agree with this post.
We are not the problem, we didn't lie, they did.

I don't think anyone went there and acused them, I think they saw the reaction and decided to investigate.

[AJRimmsey]

Advertising Review

BBB has nothing to report concerning Bioware Corp's advertising at this time.

www.bbb.org/edmonton/business-reviews/computers-system-designers-and-consultants/bioware-in-edmonton-ab-111723

nobody checks facts here

[Mims]

I do not think it is unreasonable to ask companies to at least be truthful in their marketing. That doesn't have anything to do with asking bioware to 'change its art'.

[kbct]

Yup, people reported EA to the BBB. Now a director of communications at BBB said they technically did engage in false advertising.

Here are some more articles:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3
http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/
http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157
http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised
http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

Word is spreading.

[Banelash]

If a president gives out false promises, high chance he won't be elected again. When a company gives out false advertising, all of a sudden its the players who are entitled and gonna create a pandemic?

Please don't be a sheep and actually know when to complain and when not to.

[nycmode75]

kbct wrote...

Yup, people reported EA to the BBB. Now a director of communications at BBB said they technically did engage in false advertising.

Here are some more articles:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3
http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/
http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157
http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised
http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

Word is spreading.

Yes though based on that it goes back to my original theory, they will get flack from fans, black eye for bad PR stunt, they will have to learn to more careful on how they word their advertisting campaigns in the future ... but will it have a material impact on EA?  I highly doubt it.  Other than giving some immediate satisfaction to those who want to see EA get a pie in the face, this won't take them down.

I agreed w/this statment in the Kotaku article "
The lesson to be learned here is companies should give careful consideration to how they word their advertisements. Otherwise, there could be detrimental effects, especially in the era of social media and online forums. "

but ultimately - this to me is the real takeaway

"
Does this mean that BioWare is in some kind of trouble with the BBB? No, but its blogger agrees with the whole false advertising thing, which should make everyone feel a lot better about the whole thing. "

[AJRimmsey]

Banelash wrote...

If a president gives out false promises, high chance he won't be elected again. When a company gives out false advertising, all of a sudden its the players who are entitled and gonna create a pandemic?

Please don't be a sheep and actually know when to complain and when not to.

you`ll have to tell us what it is this weeks complaint is first.

ending ?
closure ?
plotholes ?
advertising ?
the rain ????

been so many turn arounds we have no idea what you want anymore.

[nycmode75]

[quote]nycmode75 wrote...

[quote]kbct wrote...

Yup, people reported EA to the BBB. Now a director of communications at BBB said they technically did engage in false advertising.

Here are some more articles:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3
http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/
http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157
http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised
http://dailygamingne...advertised-bbb/

Word is spreading.
[/quote]

Yes though based on that it goes back to my original theory, they will get flack from fans, black eye for bad PR stunt, they will have to learn to more careful on how they word their advertisting campaigns in the future ... but will it have a material impact on EA?  I highly doubt it.  Other than giving some immediate satisfaction to those who want to see EA get a pie in the face, this won't take them down.

the final couple of graphs on the kotaku article sums it up best

[woodbyte]

retic wrote...
(...) seriously???

You don't take false advertisement claims seriously, even after they are confirmed by a reputable third party?
Interesting.

Modifié par woodbyte, 12 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[Captian Cornhole]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

It's absurd how people have come to the point where they get butthurt over a video game.

A video game that initially costs $60.  Of course that doesn't count the other 2 games and DLC.   I don't care how much a product costs.  If it was advertised falsely then they should be called out on it.  If you buy condoms that advertised 99% effectiveness but really only offered 75% that would be a big problem.

This isn't about false advertising, this is about people becoming selfish and wrapped up in videogames to the point that it strictly becomes their life. And guess what sometimes, developers can't or don't meet their expectations, when that happens people feel entitled to have their expectations met. 

Problem is these "claims" of false advertising are quite subjective and very damn well depend on the person's point of view. Like if I read off the back of Bad Company 2's box it claims that it has and "intense solo campaign and defining online warfare". Problem with that is it's all reletive, like poltics it's opinioned based. Did Bad Company 2 offer a insence solo campaign? You can't prove that it did or didn't it depends on the person.

You can't say that for a condom.

[evisneffo]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Try to fail less at reading comprehension. The BBB's article and the FTC complaint are entirely unrelated to the ending fiasco.

*fails quietly in the corner*

Michel1986 wrote...

EA got away with alot of things, i hope FTC will sue them in every possible way really. I am tired of their crap games and shítty support.

Hum, admittedly I don't know all that much here. I really don't support action against BioWare, but have heard a lot of less-than-savoury things about EA, such as that ammo/micro-transaction deal, and some things about other games ...

Modifié par evisneffo, 12 avril 2012 - 03:38 .