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[Kuari999]

AJRimmsey wrote...

i just bought a camcorder that didnt come with a mains charger,i didnt call canon to get one made for it,i just returned it to the store.

A lot of places have policies against returning opened video games.  Guess what channel that leaves remaining...  the creators, not to mention the store usually returns the returned products to the manufacturer in cases like that.  The customer can do the same, its just easier through the store.

[Wolder88]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Wolder88 wrote...

So raising thousands of dollars, making facebook pages and mail bombing Bioware isn’t going too far, but filing a complaint thought the official channels are?... wat?

People brought a product, It wasn’t what they payed for, they expected something else. Honestly, how much more clear cut can it be? If you’re dissatisfied with a product i´d say taking it to official channels is the right thing to do, instead of harassing the people who made it.

actually returning it to the retailer is what most people do.

i just bought a camcorder that didnt come with a mains charger,i didnt call canon to get one made for it,i just returned it to the store.

You raise a valid point sir, but I don’t think the analogy is correct. If you can return the product that is of cause also a valid response, but by the time you get to the ending some retailers simply wont let you return the game, this is of cause a more fundamental problem with the entertainment industry and specific to ME3 or video-games in general. Problem is, by the time you want to return the product, you simply cant.

Modifié par Wolder88, 13 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Kuari999 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

I wonder why it's a filler then if it has the same nutritional value as 90% lean beef.  Why didn't they just sell the stuff as its own product instead of filler?  

Its not even filler...  it pure beef, that makes it not filler.  Seriously, ground meat is almost always the scrap, the "pink slime" just takes it beyond and extracts the scrap from some of the fat chunks they don't normally use....  why is this even a discussion?

If you don't like the term filler then it is an additive.  It is added to the regular beef as a low cost additive.   I don't know why you're arguing that.  That's the whole purpose of the product is to be added to other beef hence the term additive or filler.  I'm saying why isn't hamburger meat made 100% from the stuff?  It's always added to something and not sold for consumption as it's own product.

[AJRimmsey]

Kuari999 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

i just bought a camcorder that didnt come with a mains charger,i didnt call canon to get one made for it,i just returned it to the store.

A lot of places have policies against returning opened video games.  Guess what channel that leaves remaining...  the creators, not to mention the store usually returns the returned products to the manufacturer in cases like that.  The customer can do the same, its just easier through the store.

not here,if a product [no matter what] is faulty or falsely advertised you are covered by the consumer rights act and entitled to a full refund.

if you country doesnt have this rights act then you really should check the product you are buying BEFORE buying it.

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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It's actually really really not. But sure, okay.

Nah, it is. If you had actually paid attention you would know. And yes i have paid attention. Closer than you might think to this lies issue.

See, yet again, you go on to attack me in your snide little tone. Yet I'm the one who's the "paid troll". 

For the record, the only claim with even a hint of validity is the MP issue. Everything else is simply your expectations of what BioWare said being wrong, and you wanting to blame BioWare for it.

No. Simple.

Anytime you want to, uh, provide any sort of evidence to back your assertion, it would be more than welcomed.

Until then, you simply are what you claim me to be. A complete and utter troll.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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It's actually really really not. But sure, okay.

Nah, it is. If you had actually paid attention you would know. And yes i have paid attention. Closer than you might think to this lies issue.

See, yet again, you go on to attack me in your snide little tone. Yet I'm the one who's the "paid troll". 

For the record, the only claim with even a hint of validity is the MP issue. Everything else is simply your expectations of what BioWare said being wrong, and you wanting to blame BioWare for it.

Expectations fueld by what BioWare has said.  Show me a precedent setting case in which interviews are considered to not fall under advertisment of a product.  

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
See, yet again, you go on to attack me in your snide little tone. Yet I'm the one who's the "paid troll". 

For the record, the only claim with even a hint of validity is the MP issue. Everything else is simply your expectations of what BioWare said being wrong, and you wanting to blame BioWare for it.

Saying there won't be an "A, B, C" ending and then doing just that is a lie.  Fact is, they lied.  They made clear and concise statements on what to expect and they didn't deliver.  They are now, so the false advertising issue might soon become simply a quality one at worse, but that doesn't change that its a false advertising issue.  They made implicitly false statements that deceived a great many customers.  That falls right into the definition.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
See, yet again, you go on to attack me in your snide little tone. Yet I'm the one who's the "paid troll". 

For the record, the only claim with even a hint of validity is the MP issue. Everything else is simply your expectations of what BioWare said being wrong, and you wanting to blame BioWare for it.

Saying there won't be an "A, B, C" ending and then doing just that is a lie.  Fact is, they lied.  They made clear and concise statements on what to expect and they didn't deliver.  They are now, so the false advertising issue might soon become simply a quality one at worse, but that doesn't change that its a false advertising issue.  They made implicitly false statements that deceived a great many customers.  That falls right into the definition.

Except there is more to it than that. Based on the actions you made in previous games, and in this game, your options for the endings you get are different. There are far more endings than just "A, B, C". Are they different to YOUR expectations? Clearly not, but that is not BioWare's fault. 

[Wolder88]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Wolder88 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Wolder88 wrote...

So raising thousands of dollars, making facebook pages and mail bombing Bioware isn’t going too far, but filing a complaint thought the official channels are?... wat?

People brought a product, It wasn’t what they payed for, they expected something else. Honestly, how much more clear cut can it be? If you’re dissatisfied with a product i´d say taking it to official channels is the right thing to do, instead of harassing the people who made it.

Your expectations =/= BioWare lied.

Please, understand that.

You are correct,
but with the BBB backing the people claiming falls advertisement, i´d say that their point is still valid. Otherwise you are walking a slippery slope that could, in extreme cases,  turn into "you bought a plane, you never said you expected it to fly also".


Bioware obviously did give some people the idea the X,Z and Y would be in the game, but they weren’t. I´d say that,that  is something else then a case of expectations simply not being met.

getting old and tired but if unsaid then the bs is spread thicker...so >

Government Actions

BBB knows of no significant government actions involving Bioware Corp.


Advertising Review

BBB has nothing to report concerning Bioware Corp's advertising at this time.

I was referring to the coment Marjorie Stephens made here (http://m.computerand..._medium=twitter) 

[*]"Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios Stephens said: "The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states  "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute."

again, technically, yes, it was false advertisement.

Modifié par Wolder88, 13 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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Anytime you want to, uh, provide any sort of evidence to back your assertion, it would be more than welcomed.

Until then, you simply are what you claim me to be. A complete and utter troll.

Nah, i am getting tired, my mind is working slowly, bluntly.
Awe well, they said that the endings would be wildly different based on the choices, this was clearly not the case. Simple.
*yawn*

And your source for "Wildly different"? Because I've been looking around, and I can't find anything. If there's a full quote I could take a look at, it would be appreciated.

[CyberMiguel]

Chrillze wrote...

retic wrote...

 http://m.computerand..._medium=twitter

I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

No one will ever be able to make EA and BioWare shutdown, but I agree this is just pathetic. this is too much for a videogame

I disagree with you on that aspect. There are several people here that have been emotionally invested in the Mass Effect saga and to them, the characters as well as the story are - in a way - part of their lives. For them to suddenly end their existance and leave all the questions unanswered and plotholes everywhere means a personal offense. If this was any other game, fine, I'd agree with you, but here some people feel they're part of the game too (heck, I've felt like that as well) and that is a very....VERY delicate situation that developers, writers and designers have in their hands.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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Anytime you want to, uh, provide any sort of evidence to back your assertion, it would be more than welcomed.

Until then, you simply are what you claim me to be. A complete and utter troll.

Nah, i am getting tired, my mind is working slowly, bluntly.
Awe well, they said that the endings would be wildly different based on the choices, this was clearly not the case. Simple.
*yawn*

And your source for "Wildly different"? Because I've been looking around, and I can't find anything. If there's a full quote I could take a look at, it would be appreciated.

The phrase was radically different.
Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios.
masseffect.bioware.com/about/story/

[Father_Jerusalem]

Wolder88 wrote...


I was referring to the coment Marjorie Stephens made here (http://m.computerand..._medium=twitter) 

[*]"Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios Stephens said: "The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states  "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute."

again, technically, yes, it was false advertisement.

Again, though, as has been pointed out before in this thread, this woman is basing her statement off of what people on the internet have said - she admits as much herself. She has not played the game, she has no practical first-hand knowledge, it's simply "Oh, bunch of people said it on the internet, so it must be true."

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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Anytime you want to, uh, provide any sort of evidence to back your assertion, it would be more than welcomed.

Until then, you simply are what you claim me to be. A complete and utter troll.

Nah, i am getting tired, my mind is working slowly, bluntly.
Awe well, they said that the endings would be wildly different based on the choices, this was clearly not the case. Simple.
*yawn*

And your source for "Wildly different"? Because I've been looking around, and I can't find anything. If there's a full quote I could take a look at, it would be appreciated.

The phrase was radically different.
Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios.
masseffect.bioware.com/about/story/

Do you not see how a game in which you cure the genophage and make peace between the Geth an Quarian is radically different from a game in which you sabotage the genophage cure and kill off the Quarians or the Geth?

To me, the shape that the universe is left in in both games is RADICALLY different. But, I don't know, I guess a universe in which the Quarians are extinct is exactly the same as a universe where they aren't, right?

Not to mention, and here  be spoiles so be warned, two RADICALLY different scenarios in, for example, the Destroy option. With a low EMS score, Destroy is the only option you're presented with, and the Earth is destroyed as well. With a high EMS score, Destroy is but one option you're presented with, and not only does the Earth survive, Shepard does as well.

But Earth being destroyed and Earth surviving are exactly the same as well, right?

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 13 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Except there is more to it than that. Based on the actions you made in previous games, and in this game, your options for the endings you get are different. There are far more endings than just "A, B, C". Are they different to YOUR expectations? Clearly not, but that is not BioWare's fault. 

The only option that leads to different endings in terms of the last games affecting anything is if you skip stuff, otherwise its the same.  So no, the decisions are meaningless to the end.  You'll still likely end up in the 3k + range, which is about as good as you get for endings without MP or the app.  The same is not different no matter how you look at it.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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Anytime you want to, uh, provide any sort of evidence to back your assertion, it would be more than welcomed.

Until then, you simply are what you claim me to be. A complete and utter troll.

Nah, i am getting tired, my mind is working slowly, bluntly.
Awe well, they said that the endings would be wildly different based on the choices, this was clearly not the case. Simple.
*yawn*

And your source for "Wildly different"? Because I've been looking around, and I can't find anything. If there's a full quote I could take a look at, it would be appreciated.

The phrase was radically different.
Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios.
masseffect.bioware.com/about/story/

Do you not see how a game in which you cure the genophage and make peace between the Geth an Quarian is radically different from a game in which you sabotage the genophage cure and kill off the Quarians or the Geth?

To me, the shape that the universe is left in in both games is RADICALLY different. But, I don't know, I guess a universe in which the Quarians are extinct is exactly the same as a universe where they aren't, right?

Not to mention, and here  be spoiles so be warned, two RADICALLY different scenarios in, for example, the Destroy option. With a low EMS score, Destroy is the only option you're presented with, and the Earth is destroyed as well. With a high EMS score, Destroy is but one option you're presented with, and not only does the Earth survive, Shepard does as well.

But Earth being destroyed and Earth surviving are exactly the same as well, right?

Extinct like the Rachni were supposed to be? But look at that, more Rachni even if you killed the Queen.  I'm sure not every Quarian was on the fleet since there would be some doing their pilgrimage somewhere.  A genophage cure can always be remade by a different scientist if necessary, although it would take time.    I'll give you Earth being destroyed is a bit different, but what the real difference from Earth saved and Earth devastated beyond those few buildings at the end.  I guess that's up to speculation.

Edit: Not to mention how many people on Earth have already died anyways in the mean time before Shepard arrives?  No one knows.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 13 avril 2012 - 04:17 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Except there is more to it than that. Based on the actions you made in previous games, and in this game, your options for the endings you get are different. There are far more endings than just "A, B, C". Are they different to YOUR expectations? Clearly not, but that is not BioWare's fault. 

The only option that leads to different endings in terms of the last games affecting anything is if you skip stuff, otherwise its the same.  So no, the decisions are meaningless to the end.  You'll still likely end up in the 3k + range, which is about as good as you get for endings without MP or the app.  The same is not different no matter how you look at it.

So what you're saying is, if you skip stuff, or do the MP (which, again, is the only credible claim of lying that can be attributed to BioWare and should be rectified immediately), it's different than if you don't do either of those things? As in... not an "A, B, C ending" after all?


Mass Effect 3 Endings Guide - HEAVY SPOILERS 

Not A, B, C.

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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Do you not see how a game in which you cure the genophage and make peace between the Geth an Quarian is radically different from a game in which you sabotage the genophage cure and kill off the Quarians or the Geth?

To me, the shape that the universe is left in in both games is RADICALLY different. But, I don't know, I guess a universe in which the Quarians are extinct is exactly the same as a universe where they aren't, right?

Not to mention, and here  be spoiles so be warned, two RADICALLY different scenarios in, for example, the Destroy option. With a low EMS score, Destroy is the only option you're presented with, and the Earth is destroyed as well. With a high EMS score, Destroy is but one option you're presented with, and not only does the Earth survive, Shepard does as well.

But Earth being destroyed and Earth surviving are exactly the same as well, right?

said that the endings would be "radically different" and they were not. Simple.
Good night

Uh, I just showed you how they are, and you ignored it... you're really dead set on proving that I'm right in calling you a troll, aren't ya?

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So what you're saying is, if you skip stuff, or do the MP (which, again, is the only credible claim of lying that can be attributed to BioWare and should be rectified immediately), it's different than if you don't do either of those things? As in... not an "A, B, C ending" after all?


Mass Effect 3 Endings Guide - HEAVY SPOILERS 

Not A, B, C.

Its only barely different, if that, and there were specific statements regarding specific events, so they lead people to believe that these events had more effect then they really did, making it false advertising by its legal definition.  Look it up.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...




Extinct like the Rachni were supposed to be? But look at that, more Rachni even if you killed the Queen.  I'm sure not every Quarian was on the fleet since there would be some doing their pilgrimage somewhere.  A genophage cure can always be remade by a different scientist if necessary, although it would take time.    I'll give you Earth being destroyed is a bit different, but what the real difference from Earth saved and Earth devastated beyond those few buildings at the end.  I guess that's up to speculation.

Edit: Not to mention how many people on Earth have already died anyways in the mean time before Shepard arrives?  No one knows.

So... the Reapers are going to genetically engineer Quarians again, to use them as foot soldiers during the next cycle where they harve... oh wait, you stop the Reapers. So... that comparison doesn't really make a ton of sense.

As for the genophage? As Mordin so succinctly says: "Had to be me. Someone else would have gotten it wrong."

Again, radically different. Different enough for YOUR standards? Obviously not. But that's not BioWare's fault.