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[Ben Shep]

EA gets an A! wow!

[Banelash]

Ah but if you read the report, BBB acknowledges that what is written on the box, is an absolute statement, unlike the relative statements you used for bad company 2.

[Drake_Hound]

FCT somebody did fill in a claim , that you can never prevent ,
The BBB that is another story , maybe some disgrunted fan decide to make a say .
Bioware fans are not typical gamer nerds , they are from all walks of life .

Maybe some people still don't get it , we are not the poor sobs sitting in mother basement or teenage students , or unemployed people living off a social benefit .

Bioware attracted a whole wide range of diehard fans , who purchase the product no matter what
PR is failing to take those types into account , while normally they are not vocal .
Sadly this mess brings out the worst in some of those , cause they deal daily with PR relationship.

[dsl08002]

it to much really to take a step like that but however considering what we been hearing surrounded ME3 during its development then yes bioware has been doing false advertising

[Captian Cornhole]

Drake_Hound wrote...

Maybe some people still don't get it , we are not the poor sobs sitting in mother basement or teenage students , or unemployed people living off a social benefit .

Although that would certainly accuratly represent more the half of the fan base.

[Jaron Oberyn]

False advertisement op. that's the way businesses work, and ea is a business. If its at fault for it, then ea will be subject to the same consequences as other companies. Being a video game publisher/developer doesn't give them an exception.


-Polite

[DaJe]

Travie wrote...

They falsely advertised their game. If they end up with a lower BBB rating it will be justice.

[Persephone]

I'd report Lionhead/Peter Molyneux first.

Fable puts ME to SHAME when it comes to "false advertising".

This is getting BEYOND ludicrous.

[Dakota Strider]

People that protest that noone should take action for a $60 to $80 video game, I would like to know where you draw the line.

If the manufacturer of the computer or console that you played the video game on, did not deliver in their promise to give you a machine that did everything needed to run the video game properly, would you not complain? Or would you say, its just for games, its not important. ?

Is there a certain price where you say it is alright to complain? Where do you draw the line? You seem to be drawing the line at entertainment, would someone with a faulty sports car be unable to sue, under your system? Or how about someone that bought a faulty hang glider? Both of those items, afterall, were made for entertainment.

If a person, or a company (and a company is nothing more than a collection of persons) makes a product, or provides a service, and receives financial compensation for providing it, then they are certainly liable if they do not deliver on their promises for the product or service. The price of the product does not matter, as it is all relative. The purpose of the item does not matter. Afterall, one person's entertainment, may be another person's stress release/therapy.

[Destr1er]

I think reporting them to the BBB is taking things a step too far. 90+% of the game was great. If get this upset with the ending of something in the entertainment industry, you probably need to rethink your priorities.

If you really want to send a message to EA, do not buy any of their future products. Advise your friends and family to do the same.

[RACDB]

Travie wrote...

They falsely advertised their game. If they end up with a lower BBB rating it will be justice.

Justice <_<

[nycmode75]

I still don't understand why there is some expectation that this will have any material impact on EA down the road. As I mentioned in my earlier post, they have a ton of other revenue generating franchises that I think many of their fans won't care (or know) about the uproar with the BBB. It's a symbolic victory for (rightfully) upset ME fans, but nothing more will come about this ...

[Lord Phoebus]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Hmmm lets try to find what is false in this : "Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome"

Saddly there is nothing fake.

As you do make decisions and the outcome change if you assemble a big enough fleet. I do agree the statement is vague but 3 endings that are unlock if you did enough thing in ME1/2/3 and all the variations even if they are really limited would be consider shaping your experience and outcome in court.

It's just cheap. But easy to defend by EA/BioWare.

It's the use of the word completely as opposed to partially or mostly in this case.  Completely makes the statement an absolute, and an absolute can be tested.  The pre-development statements by the devs in interviews also contain objective statements that can be shown false (although these statements aren't legally binding).  Morally they are guilty of false advertising, no one with an ounce of objectivity can argue against that.  Legally is another question. 

Ultimately, no company regardless of what it produces should be allowed to lie to its consumers.  This is why most nations have consumer protection and advertising standards groups.  Any company that lies to its consumers and then profits from those lies, should be scrutinized by these organizations and held to account.  That some gamers are willing to accept lies only shows a lack of self respect from the gamers and contempt from the companies. 

[Dakota Strider]

nycmode75 wrote...

I still don't understand why there is some expectation that this will have any material impact on EA down the road. As I mentioned in my earlier post, they have a ton of other revenue generating franchises that I think many of their fans won't care (or know) about the uproar with the BBB. It's a symbolic victory for (rightfully) upset ME fans, but nothing more will come about this ...

EA acquired Bioware to make more money.  If Bioware's production was not important to EA's bottom line, why would they even purchase it in the first place?  Sure, EA makes money from different income streams.  Its called diversification, and it is smart for everyone to do, not just corporations.  But, now that one source of their income has become tarnished, I have a feeling that their other revenue streams will come under much closer scrutiny in the future. 

Change has to start somewhere.  Like the old riddle asks, "How do you eat an ElAphant?"  The answer:  "One bite at a time."

Not that I am seeking the destruction of EA or Bioware.  On the contrary, I hope this experience will make them better companies that learn to serve the needs of their customers better, and not just treat us as mindless peons whose only purpose is to buy their products.

[Kuari999]

Chrillze wrote...

retic wrote...

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I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

No one will ever be able to make EA and BioWare shutdown, but I agree this is just pathetic. this is too much for a videogame

Why should video games be immune to this sort of thing?  Or are you saying anything related to people's hobbies should be immune to false advertising claims?

[Dezerte]

retic wrote...

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I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree

Uh, they partenered up with EA. And EA, like every other publisher has expectations and  deadlines. This forces the developers to change things they don't agree with.

So, what's so bad about consumers having a say? We are after all the ones who will buy their products, they have every reason to listen to us.

[AJRimmsey]

They are listening to the fans.

they are not listening to frothing ranters treating the whole affair as a outlet for lonely rage

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

They are listening to the fans.

they are not listening to frothing ranters treating the whole affair as a outlet for lonely rage

If they are listening they aren't hearing us.  The PR team has been horrible to say the least.  They should fix it but I'd like to know how Hudson doesn't think the endings we got were A, B, or C.  I'd like to know how Walters thinks that the Rachni decision played a huge role just in the final battle.  I have a hard time seeing how clarifications will help those kind of things if the endings stay the same.  The epilogue may change but not the endings.

[AkiKishi]

Kuari999 wrote...

Why should video games be immune to this sort of thing?  Or are you saying anything related to people's hobbies should be immune to false advertising claims?

Bottom line, it's a product. If it does not do what they say it should then that is why organisations like the BBB exist. Gaming could do with a nice big dose of regulation.

[Metalunatic]

Mims wrote...

I do not think it is unreasonable to ask companies to at least be truthful in their marketing. That doesn't have anything to do with asking bioware to 'change its art'.

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

They are listening to the fans.

they are not listening to frothing ranters treating the whole affair as a outlet for lonely rage

If they are listening they aren't hearing us.  The PR team has been horrible to say the least.  They should fix it but I'd like to know how Hudson doesn't think the endings we got were A, B, or C.  I'd like to know how Walters thinks that the Rachni decision played a huge role just in the final battle.  I have a hard time seeing how clarifications will help those kind of things if the endings stay the same.  The epilogue may change but not the endings.

well when the meeting on what to do for the fans was held,the vast majority of the complaints were about plot holes and closure.
everyone was saying the same thing "we dont want more endings,we want closure"

then as soon as they announced closure,the ragers started shouting "we dont want closure,we want more endings"

how the feck do they answer that ?

[Elk Cloner]

retic wrote...

.but this is just too much. 

False advertising. Should've happened when they ported ME2 to PS3.