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[i IIVIIorpheus]

Navasha wrote...

All that demonstrates is peoples immaturity.

Do you honestly think people go and check the rating of the software developer to see if they should buy the game they have been wanting?

People that make claims about false advertising are the reason why everyone is forced to endure ridiculous warning labels on everything.

This makes absolutely NO sense.

If you take a pill whose side effect is shortness of breath, and you have asthma, it would be WISE to have a warning on those pills to show that they cause shortness of breath.  So you now leave it up to the CONSUMER to  decide if they want to still take them or not.

I don't agree with this "going to the BBB or FTC" stuff, but I understand the principle of the argument.  If I am being told that ME3 will "completely shape my experience and outcome" and "varied endings", and I purchase it b/c of that, it's only logical that is what I should expect to see.

I amazing how pro-enders won't even at the very least acknowledge that BW use a poor choice of wording....

[AJRimmsey]

SalsaDMA wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Banelash wrote...

If a president gives out false promises, high chance he won't be elected again. When a company gives out false advertising, all of a sudden its the players who are entitled and gonna create a pandemic?

Please don't be a sheep and actually know when to complain and when not to.

you`ll have to tell us what it is this weeks complaint is first.

ending ?
closure ?
plotholes ?
advertising ?
the rain ????

been so many turn arounds we have no idea what you want anymore.

AJ, you're mixing up your trolling ventures.

The BBB were involved due to false advertising, and you start talking about the ending fiasco.

They are 2 different topics. Although they are somewhat connected in that they are both in the same game, your post shows you don't really read what you respond to.

completly right there are people i dont bother reading,you showed in your reply who and why i dont bother to read those people.

first you start using the word troll when you have no real retoric,

then you pick one of 5 points to try and say i was talking about the ending

then you say BBB were involved in the false advertising when the BBB has stated quite clearly they simply have nothing to say on bioware and advertising.

so yes i do ignore some posts,especialy when those posts are nothing but a transparent attempt to provoke someone.
so i do what annoys you the most.
i ignore you.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 12 avril 2012 - 06:12 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I see. Why should I care if the BBB says anything about a video-game? all that these threads tell me is that some people cannot let go of their hate and rage. if consumers can claim false advertising, then by all means, go ahead and tear the industry apart. if you make such a big deal over mass effect 3, what about Fable or Daikatana or Dark Messiah of might and magic? It seems to me that if you legitimately care about calling out false advertisement, then there are other franchises that have made wild claims to be investigated.

[BellatrixLugosi]

SalsaDMA wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Banelash wrote...

If a president gives out false promises, high chance he won't be elected again. When a company gives out false advertising, all of a sudden its the players who are entitled and gonna create a pandemic?

Please don't be a sheep and actually know when to complain and when not to.

you`ll have to tell us what it is this weeks complaint is first.

ending ?
closure ?
plotholes ?
advertising ?
the rain ????

been so many turn arounds we have no idea what you want anymore.

AJ, you're mixing up your trolling ventures.

The BBB were involved due to false advertising, and you start talking about the ending fiasco.

They are 2 different topics. Although they are somewhat connected in that they are both in the same game, your post shows you don't really read what you respond to.

Look........we are calling you on the BS.  You don't care about False Advertising, you care about endings not being what you want, thats pretty much it............this is just something for you to tag along with to justify you're emotions

Modifié par BellatrixLugosi, 12 avril 2012 - 06:06 .

[Ket-Bo]

Wow. A private "Corporation" jumps on the ME3 Bandwagon to get Publicity and everyone is making a Fuzz about it.
Interesting paragraph concerning the Criticism directed to it:
http://en.wikipedia....ureau#Criticism

[Navasha]

No... THESE warning labels.

I guess game developers will have to start putting an asterick and small print at the bottom of their boxes.

*This is a work of fiction and as such the universe doesn't really end if you make the wrong decision in game.

*The terms used in the above statements are to build hype and excitement to play our product....  However, results will vary based on users imagination, intelligence, and skill.

[Kuari999]

AJRimmsey wrote...

ermmm..you get an F rating there if they dont have your business information or dont PAY them for a better rating.

Hmm...  ok, I guess you're right, except for the paying bit...  was looking up Bethesda to prove you wrong, but guess I'm off.  Still, its hard to deny that a statement like this, official or not, is a big blow for the simple fact that its a pretty major member of the group.  I'm interested to see where this goes in the future.

Navasha wrote...

No... THESE warning labels.

I guess game developers will have to start putting an asterick and small print at the bottom of their boxes.

*This is a work of fiction and as such the universe doesn't really end if you make the wrong decision in game.

*The
terms used in the above statements are to build hype and excitement to
play our product....  However, results will vary based on users
imagination, intelligence, and skill.

OK, see, those would be silly, but they wouldn't even cover what happened here.  They made some pretty specific statements.  Those sort of things are assumed when you talk about false advertising.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[AK47 Total WAR]

I honestly don't understand how some people defend these bad practices. It doesn't benefit you in any way to do so.

[Eain]

Chrillze wrote...

retic wrote...

 http://m.computerand..._medium=twitter

I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

No one will ever be able to make EA and BioWare shutdown, but I agree this is just pathetic. this is too much for a videogame

Why exactly is it ok to false advertise a 60 dollar videogame but not ok to falsely advertise a 60 dollar kitchen appliance?

Just to give you a comparison to work with.

[AJRimmsey]

Kuari999 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

ermmm..you get an F rating there if they dont have your business information or dont PAY them for a better rating.

Hmm...  ok, I guess you're right, except for the paying bit...  was looking up Bethesda to prove you wrong, but guess I'm off.  Still, its hard to deny that a statement like this, official or not, is a big blow for the simple fact that its a pretty major member of the group.  I'm interested to see where this goes in the future.

Navasha wrote...

No... THESE warning labels.

I guess game developers will have to start putting an asterick and small print at the bottom of their boxes.

*This is a work of fiction and as such the universe doesn't really end if you make the wrong decision in game.

*The
terms used in the above statements are to build hype and excitement to
play our product....  However, results will vary based on users
imagination, intelligence, and skill.

OK, see, those would be silly, but they wouldn't even cover what happened here.  They made some pretty specific statements.  Those sort of things are assumed when you talk about false advertising.

what i think will happen is th BBB employee will be called in for a meeting to discuss why she shouldnt post her opinions on the sites blog.

as for false advertising i am all for change,i am sick of falling for game hype from every publisher out there.

but it might go the wrong way,we might not get any game info pre release and end up shafted even more.

or as the poster above said,disclaimer stickers all over the boxes.

[Alex_SM]

At least they didn't advertise it as something that heals you while it doesn't (Actimel, I'm looking at you).

[DukeOfNukes]

Navasha...if,in the commercial, they showed somebody using a hair drier in the shower...then yes, they would be required to say "don't use in the shower." That's your comparison.

BioWare told us that the game would feature 16 drastically different endings. Instead, it featured 1 ending which was 95% the same with a few of the details switched around. It's false advertising, plain and simple...and as such, I'm ok with people reporting them.

Ask me if I think it's a gigantic waste of time, and you'll get a different answer. But it's peoples right to report a company to the BBB if they feel they have been wronged.

[chevyguy87]

This whole ordeal really has gotten out of hand.

[nycmode75]

Alex_SM wrote...

At least they didn't advertise it as something that heals you while it doesn't (Actimel, I'm looking at you).

Or Airborne

[SalsaDMA]

AJRimmsey wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Banelash wrote...

If a president gives out false promises, high chance he won't be elected again. When a company gives out false advertising, all of a sudden its the players who are entitled and gonna create a pandemic?

Please don't be a sheep and actually know when to complain and when not to.

you`ll have to tell us what it is this weeks complaint is first.

ending ?
closure ?
plotholes ?
advertising ?
the rain ????

been so many turn arounds we have no idea what you want anymore.

AJ, you're mixing up your trolling ventures.

The BBB were involved due to false advertising, and you start talking about the ending fiasco.

They are 2 different topics. Although they are somewhat connected in that they are both in the same game, your post shows you don't really read what you respond to.

completly right there are people i dont bother reading,you showed in your reply who and why i dont bother to read those people.

first you start using the word troll when you have no real retoric,

then you pick one of 5 points to try and say i was talking about the ending

then you say BBB were involved in the false advertising when the BBB has stated quite clearly they simply have nothing to say on bioware and advertising.

so yes i do ignore some posts,especialy when those posts are nothing but a transparent attempt to provoke someone.
so i do what annoys you the most.
i ignore you.

My apoligies for calling you out on your derailing of the topic. You can get back right in it now.
(Note, this was a sarcastic quip, in case people missed it)

And I feel really ignored now, with you making a reply to my post. Not that I care, mind you, I just felt it funny you made such a statement in a direct reply to me.

In the future, if you want to avoid being pointed out as trolling/derailing a topic, maybe next time you should respond on the posts people actually made in the thread you post to, rather than make meta-replies to other threads.

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Kuari999 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

ermmm..you get an F rating there if they dont have your business information or dont PAY them for a better rating.

Hmm...  ok, I guess you're right, except for the paying bit...  was looking up Bethesda to prove you wrong, but guess I'm off.  Still, its hard to deny that a statement like this, official or not, is a big blow for the simple fact that its a pretty major member of the group.  I'm interested to see where this goes in the future.

Navasha wrote...

No... THESE warning labels.

I guess game developers will have to start putting an asterick and small print at the bottom of their boxes.

*This is a work of fiction and as such the universe doesn't really end if you make the wrong decision in game.

*The
terms used in the above statements are to build hype and excitement to
play our product....  However, results will vary based on users
imagination, intelligence, and skill.

OK, see, those would be silly, but they wouldn't even cover what happened here.  They made some pretty specific statements.  Those sort of things are assumed when you talk about false advertising.

what i think will happen is th BBB employee will be called in for a meeting to discuss why she shouldnt post her opinions on the sites blog.

as for false advertising i am all for change,i am sick of falling for game hype from every publisher out there.

but it might go the wrong way,we might not get any game info pre release and end up shafted even more.

or as the poster above said,disclaimer stickers all over the boxes.

Hype is fine and so is puffery.  I mean statements like this will be the greatest game ever or non stop action are fine.  Even if the company says nothing about the product except for announcing it people will start to get hyped.  Typically things get overhyped and fans get disappointed.  This is pretty unique in that BioWare hyped their product in a way that mislead consumers.   Everyone was hyped for that realistic Zelda game for the GC but then it turned out Windwaker was going to be the next game. People were super angry about that one but Nintendo accurately changed expectations as the development went on.  As long as the developer/publisher accurately reflect changes in the development then it's fine.

From start to finish BioWare hyped up ME3 in a way that was opposite of what it really was.  Then add in the issue with multiplayer and the face import issue and you have a powder keg ready to explode.  This is on top of the DA:2 debacle so it's no wonder everything exploded the way it did.

[SalsaDMA]

chevyguy87 wrote...

This whole ordeal really has gotten out of hand.

Agreed. The gaming industry has been allowed free reign for too long.

They show every indication of not being able to govern it themselves.

[AJRimmsey]

Alex_SM wrote...

At least they didn't advertise it as something that heals you while it doesn't (Actimel, I'm looking at you).

poxy stuff

turns your arse into a water cannon so harsh it lifts you off the seat.

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Hype is fine and so is puffery.  I mean statements like this will be the greatest game ever or non stop action are fine.  Even if the company says nothing about the product except for announcing it people will start to get hyped.  Typically things get overhyped and fans get disappointed.  This is pretty unique in that BioWare hyped their product in a way that mislead consumers.   Everyone was hyped for that realistic Zelda game for the GC but then it turned out Windwaker was going to be the next game. People were super angry about that one but Nintendo accurately changed expectations as the development went on.  As long as the developer/publisher accurately reflect changes in the development then it's fine.

From start to finish BioWare hyped up ME3 in a way that was opposite of what it really was.  Then add in the issue with multiplayer and the face import issue and you have a powder keg ready to explode.  This is on top of the DA:2 debacle so it's no wonder everything exploded the way it did.

mafia 2
da 2
skyrim
deux ex

i have a cupboard full of pc port games that turned out to be just that,really ****** poor ports of console games.

its not just bioware,they are all doing it.

when i saw retake appear and get 60k members so fast i thought this was it,finally a backlash and membership that could actually affect change with mass movement.

no more day 1 dlc
no more snipping content to sell as dlc
no more over hyping
no more lying through teeth to get those all important pre orders and early sales

but poof..it all went tittys up.

[SalsaDMA]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Look........we are calling you on the BS.  You don't care about False Advertising, you care about endings not being what you want, thats pretty much it............this is just something for you to tag along with to justify you're emotions

You're not calling me personally out on anything.

The thread was about BBB and the complaints of false advertising.

Not about the shabby state the ending is in.

They are 2 different topics.

If you have a hard time keeping things apart, it tells more about you, I'm afraid.

[Navasha]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Navasha...if,in the commercial, they showed somebody using a hair drier in the shower...then yes, they would be required to say "don't use in the shower." That's your comparison.

BioWare told us that the game would feature 16 drastically different endings. Instead, it featured 1 ending which was 95% the same with a few of the details switched around. It's false advertising, plain and simple...and as such, I'm ok with people reporting them.

Ask me if I think it's a gigantic waste of time, and you'll get a different answer. But it's peoples right to report a company to the BBB if they feel they have been wronged.

The problem is that some people fail to understand what is ADVERTISING and what isn't.    All those third party interviews... are NOT advertising.    If I engage a developer in a conversation about the game in a pre-released state and they tell me all the ideas and goals they hope to accomplish and then I reprint that in a magazine/web site etc....   That is NOT considered advertising for the game.   

Advertising that is actionable is them claiming something that is clearly incorrect.   That NEVER happened.   Show me a description of the game in a retail advertisement where they make any claim that isn't true about the game.   

Here is what is OFFICIALLY advertised on Origin for Mass Effect 3 -

Features:
• A Rich, Branching Storyline – Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game.
• Massive In Scope – Battle on many worlds across the galaxy as you unite the ultimate force to take back the Earth before it’s too late.
• Large-Scale And Intelligent Enemies – Battle enormous enemies and take on a smarter type of foe that will consistently challenge your best combat tactics and put you on the edge of your seat.
• Unlock A Customizable Arsenal – Tailor each weapon with devastating upgrades including scopes, grips, barrels and dozens of other unique attachments. Each weapon boasts its own powerful impact and visual flair.
• Unleash Death From Afar Or Go Toe-To-Toe – Customize your soldier and squad to engage the enemy on your terms. A huge variety of weapons, abilities and equipment allow you to combat the enemy in your preferred style of play. 
 

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Hype is fine and so is puffery.  I mean statements like this will be the greatest game ever or non stop action are fine.  Even if the company says nothing about the product except for announcing it people will start to get hyped.  Typically things get overhyped and fans get disappointed.  This is pretty unique in that BioWare hyped their product in a way that mislead consumers.   Everyone was hyped for that realistic Zelda game for the GC but then it turned out Windwaker was going to be the next game. People were super angry about that one but Nintendo accurately changed expectations as the development went on.  As long as the developer/publisher accurately reflect changes in the development then it's fine.

From start to finish BioWare hyped up ME3 in a way that was opposite of what it really was.  Then add in the issue with multiplayer and the face import issue and you have a powder keg ready to explode.  This is on top of the DA:2 debacle so it's no wonder everything exploded the way it did.

mafia 2
da 2
skyrim
deux ex

i have a cupboard full of pc port games that turned out to be just that,really ****** poor ports of console games.

its not just bioware,they are all doing it.

when i saw retake appear and get 60k members so fast i thought this was it,finally a backlash and membership that could actually affect change with mass movement.

no more day 1 dlc
no more snipping content to sell as dlc
no more over hyping
no more lying through teeth to get those all important pre orders and early sales

but poof..it all went tittys up.

Here's what I do.  Rent and buy used from companies that do that.  Saves me a ton of money especially when the ultimate edition comes out.  I rarely buy new games now and if I do the majority of them tend to be from Nintendo.  Obviously companies like company only listen to money and they make tons of it from people who don't care.  Just now Capcom is splitting up the mercenary mode in RE6 as preorder bonuses for different retailers.  The best we can do is lodge complaints when they can be valid and buy their games used.

[SalsaDMA]

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Hype is fine and so is puffery.  I mean statements like this will be the greatest game ever or non stop action are fine.  Even if the company says nothing about the product except for announcing it people will start to get hyped.  Typically things get overhyped and fans get disappointed.  This is pretty unique in that BioWare hyped their product in a way that mislead consumers.   Everyone was hyped for that realistic Zelda game for the GC but then it turned out Windwaker was going to be the next game. People were super angry about that one but Nintendo accurately changed expectations as the development went on.  As long as the developer/publisher accurately reflect changes in the development then it's fine.

From start to finish BioWare hyped up ME3 in a way that was opposite of what it really was.  Then add in the issue with multiplayer and the face import issue and you have a powder keg ready to explode.  This is on top of the DA:2 debacle so it's no wonder everything exploded the way it did.

mafia 2
da 2
skyrim
deux ex

i have a cupboard full of pc port games that turned out to be just that,really ****** poor ports of console games.

its not just bioware,they are all doing it.

when i saw retake appear and get 60k members so fast i thought this was it,finally a backlash and membership that could actually affect change with mass movement.

no more day 1 dlc
no more snipping content to sell as dlc
no more over hyping
no more lying through teeth to get those all important pre orders and early sales

but poof..it all went tittys up.

I have to admit I actually liked Mafia 2 and Deus Ex.
Never purchased DA2 and still waiting for a good deal on skyrim before I try it out.

I don't mind ports if they aren't horrible ported. For a bad port, I would think of stuff like "Burnout Paradise". Heck, that game I couldn't even find the option to exit the game before consulting the web on how to use their interface.

[Canned Bullets]

Apparently what Bioware did count as false advertising in Australia and New Zealand. I wouldn't report anyone though since it would just blow things out of proportions. Just another case of people lying to their fans.

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Here's what I do.  Rent and buy used from companies that do that.  Saves me a ton of money especially when the ultimate edition comes out.  I rarely buy new games now and if I do the majority of them tend to be from Nintendo.  Obviously companies like company only listen to money and they make tons of it from people who don't care.  Just now Capcom is splitting up the mercenary mode in RE6 as preorder bonuses for different retailers.  The best we can do is lodge complaints when they can be valid and buy their games used.

Pc so cant rent.

buying used is something i luckily dont have to do,as i have family in the retail business.

whats needed is an en masse effort to just boycott 1 single game.
just 1 is all it would take,
no pre order would set off alarm bells

then dont early buy as the first week can actually break a company.

do this once and watch what happens.