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[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Here's what I do.  Rent and buy used from companies that do that.  Saves me a ton of money especially when the ultimate edition comes out.  I rarely buy new games now and if I do the majority of them tend to be from Nintendo.  Obviously companies like company only listen to money and they make tons of it from people who don't care.  Just now Capcom is splitting up the mercenary mode in RE6 as preorder bonuses for different retailers.  The best we can do is lodge complaints when they can be valid and buy their games used.

Pc so cant rent.

buying used is something i luckily dont have to do,as i have family in the retail business.

whats needed is an en masse effort to just boycott 1 single game.
just 1 is all it would take,
no pre order would set off alarm bells

then dont early buy as the first week can actually break a company.

do this once and watch what happens.

Ouch PC's typically have the greatest graphics and best controls but horrible DRM and ports.   I'm very interested in seeing what happens with Dragon Age 3.  Not only will it be hit with the DA2 fiasco but I'm sure the ME3 situation will be lumped in with it.  If the clarification dlc doesn't help cool tempers then BioWare may be in big trouble for DA3. 

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Here's what I do.  Rent and buy used from companies that do that.  Saves me a ton of money especially when the ultimate edition comes out.  I rarely buy new games now and if I do the majority of them tend to be from Nintendo.  Obviously companies like company only listen to money and they make tons of it from people who don't care.  Just now Capcom is splitting up the mercenary mode in RE6 as preorder bonuses for different retailers.  The best we can do is lodge complaints when they can be valid and buy their games used.

Pc so cant rent.

buying used is something i luckily dont have to do,as i have family in the retail business.

whats needed is an en masse effort to just boycott 1 single game.
just 1 is all it would take,
no pre order would set off alarm bells

then dont early buy as the first week can actually break a company.

do this once and watch what happens.

Ouch PC's typically have the greatest graphics and best controls but horrible DRM and ports.   I'm very interested in seeing what happens with Dragon Age 3.  Not only will it be hit with the DA2 fiasco but I'm sure the ME3 situation will be lumped in with it.  If the clarification dlc doesn't help cool tempers then BioWare may be in big trouble for DA3. 

so true
i think the games buggered well before release.

its either got to be something special or another watered down ME 3.
streamlining is a ketword i watch for,heart sinks when i see that word.

personally i stopped pre ordering or early buying a long time ago.
i am lucky as soon as someone returns a game to *ahem* a certain store i get the thing free.

even that way i was furious over DA 2 and Mafia 2 etc.

[SalsaDMA]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Here's what I do.  Rent and buy used from companies that do that.  Saves me a ton of money especially when the ultimate edition comes out.  I rarely buy new games now and if I do the majority of them tend to be from Nintendo.  Obviously companies like company only listen to money and they make tons of it from people who don't care.  Just now Capcom is splitting up the mercenary mode in RE6 as preorder bonuses for different retailers.  The best we can do is lodge complaints when they can be valid and buy their games used.

Pc so cant rent.

buying used is something i luckily dont have to do,as i have family in the retail business.

whats needed is an en masse effort to just boycott 1 single game.
just 1 is all it would take,
no pre order would set off alarm bells

then dont early buy as the first week can actually break a company.

do this once and watch what happens.

Ouch PC's typically have the greatest graphics and best controls but horrible DRM and ports.   I'm very interested in seeing what happens with Dragon Age 3.  Not only will it be hit with the DA2 fiasco but I'm sure the ME3 situation will be lumped in with it.  If the clarification dlc doesn't help cool tempers then BioWare may be in big trouble for DA3. 

Well, one can hope enough people put their money where their mouth is at that time.

I, for one, have no plans of getting it.

[Scott2998]

Navasha wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Navasha...if,in the commercial, they showed somebody using a hair drier in the shower...then yes, they would be required to say "don't use in the shower." That's your comparison.

BioWare told us that the game would feature 16 drastically different endings. Instead, it featured 1 ending which was 95% the same with a few of the details switched around. It's false advertising, plain and simple...and as such, I'm ok with people reporting them.

Ask me if I think it's a gigantic waste of time, and you'll get a different answer. But it's peoples right to report a company to the BBB if they feel they have been wronged.

The problem is that some people fail to understand what is ADVERTISING and what isn't.    All those third party interviews... are NOT advertising.    If I engage a developer in a conversation about the game in a pre-released state and they tell me all the ideas and goals they hope to accomplish and then I reprint that in a magazine/web site etc....   That is NOT considered advertising for the game.   

Advertising that is actionable is them claiming something that is clearly incorrect.   That NEVER happened.   Show me a description of the game in a retail advertisement where they make any claim that isn't true about the game.   

Here is what is OFFICIALLY advertised on Origin for Mass Effect 3 -

Features:
• A Rich, Branching Storyline – Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game.
• Massive In Scope – Battle on many worlds across the galaxy as you unite the ultimate force to take back the Earth before it’s too late.
• Large-Scale And Intelligent Enemies – Battle enormous enemies and take on a smarter type of foe that will consistently challenge your best combat tactics and put you on the edge of your seat.
• Unlock A Customizable Arsenal – Tailor each weapon with devastating upgrades including scopes, grips, barrels and dozens of other unique attachments. Each weapon boasts its own powerful impact and visual flair.
• Unleash Death From Afar Or Go Toe-To-Toe – Customize your soldier and squad to engage the enemy on your terms. A huge variety of weapons, abilities and equipment allow you to combat the enemy in your preferred style of play. 
 

Thank you

[Belhawk]

 i wonder if people complain, they noticed the dustup, or some of them are disappointed ME fans who also hate the ending?

[The Anti-Saint]

retic wrote...

 http://m.computerand..._medium=twitter

I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

I can understand why they would get reported. As stated by some, big business gets away with promoting rainbows and lollipops while selling you fat basterds dirty skivvies. If you hold one company to a high standard, you hold them all to it; doesn't matter what product they sell. People also shouldn't have to accept getting kicked in the quad every time they purchase something that is not as advertised.

Now, if they had a class action lawsuit...then I'd say they went too far; of course I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

[Quionic]

 They falsely advertised their game, and lied to their consumers.  I got my money back for my Collector's Edition

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I seem to see one of these threads a day.

[Dominator24]

Mims wrote...

I do not think it is unreasonable to ask companies to at least be truthful in their marketing. That doesn't have anything to do with asking bioware to 'change its art'.

+1

[Mars8309]

Mass Effect 3: TAKE BACK EARTH...oh wait you don't really.
suing not that bad.
death threats are worse.

Modifié par Mars8309, 12 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[mebtru]

Its a PRODUCT they are not giving you anything for free, you PAID for it, EA/Bioware are a COMPANY, they advertised some features, so the COSTUMER, have the right to complain if they do not deliver what they advertised.

EA/Bioware are not our friends, they are a company that sell a product, if they made it for free and didn't get any profit then we do not have any right to complain.

[Bocks]

Are you seriously supporting EA?

Oh wow.

[Kuari999]

Navasha wrote...
The problem is that some people fail to understand what is ADVERTISING and what isn't.    All those third party interviews... are NOT advertising.    If I engage a developer in a conversation about the game in a pre-released state and they tell me all the ideas and goals they hope to accomplish and then I reprint that in a magazine/web site etc....   That is NOT considered advertising for the game.

Actually, technically it is advertising.  Its a sales pitch meant to hype the game and get sales.  Any discussion of a product by its creators or those selling it is a sort of advertising of sort, otherwise door to door salesmen would have no legal reprocussions when they lied to their customers.  At least I'm pretty sure, I need to look into how the law is worded exactly, but I'm almost certain there is something that addresses this subject.

Though to an EXTENT you're right.  When you discuss the GOALS of your game, that is left with some leeway.  When you say in the absolute sense that it WILL have this or it WON'T have that, and its something tangible?  That's a bit shakier ground.

[KBomb]

Navasha wrote...

The problem is that some people fail to understand what is ADVERTISING and what isn't.    All those third party interviews... are NOT advertising.    If I engage a developer in a conversation about the game in a pre-released state and they tell me all the ideas and goals they hope to accomplish and then I reprint that in a magazine/web site etc....   That is NOT considered advertising for the game.   

Advertising that is actionable is them claiming something that is clearly incorrect.   That NEVER happened.   Show me a description of the game in a retail advertisement where they make any claim that isn't true about the game.   

Here is what is OFFICIALLY advertised on Origin for Mass Effect 3 -

Features:
• A Rich, Branching Storyline – Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game.
• Massive In Scope – Battle on many worlds across the galaxy as you unite the ultimate force to take back the Earth before it’s too late.
• Large-Scale And Intelligent Enemies – Battle enormous enemies and take on a smarter type of foe that will consistently challenge your best combat tactics and put you on the edge of your seat.
• Unlock A Customizable Arsenal – Tailor each weapon with devastating upgrades including scopes, grips, barrels and dozens of other unique attachments. Each weapon boasts its own powerful impact and visual flair.
• Unleash Death From Afar Or Go Toe-To-Toe – Customize your soldier and squad to engage the enemy on your terms. A huge variety of weapons, abilities and equipment allow you to combat the enemy in your preferred style of play. 
 

 
Of course those interviews are a form of advertisement. The very definition of advertising is the action of making something generally known and calling attention to the product for the public.


When they do those interviews, they are selling their product. Much like the same way actors give interviews when they make a movie, or bands do interviews when they put out an album. If a developer of a game gives an interview and is projecting his product and it's features onto the public, he is doing so in order to advertise it. They certainly aren't giving out interviews because people say pretty please. 


You're right though. Some people do fail to realize what advertisement is. Especially the ones who think the only official advertisement is what's on the product label.

 

[frostajulie]

The game was falsely advertised. I bought the game based on those false advertisements. In the last 3 minutes you learn that the things you were told were lies.

EA did not want to give me a refund. I filed a claim with the BBB.

They had no right to lie and then take my money and run. Fact is I did not get what I paid for what was promised.

They owe me 80 bucks. Will I win probably not, but the fact is I got ****ed.

[Father_Jerusalem]

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

I think it came from the Prima guide and then posted online.  

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

I think it came from the Prima guide and then posted online.  

So, Prima is now a division of BioWare?

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

I think it came from the Prima guide and then posted online.  

So, Prima is now a division of BioWare?

Well it is an 'official guide'.  I don't know what you call Prima's association with the the individual game company.   It's not a division or a partnership. Although I found this informaton:

Strategy guides marketed as "official" are written by game distributors themselves or licensed to a specialty publishing house; Prima Games (a division of Random House) and BradyGames (a division of Pearson Education) specialize in writing official guides for various companies.

So yeah I think it's official enough to be counted.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 12 avril 2012 - 09:35 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Double post

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 12 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

I think it came from the Prima guide and then posted online.  

So, Prima is now a division of BioWare?

Well it is an 'official guide'.  I don't know what you call Prima's association with the the individual game company.   It's not a division or a partnership. Although I found this informaton:

Strategy guides marketed as "official" are written by game distributors themselves or licensed to a specialty publishing house; Prima Games (a division of Random House) and BradyGames (a division of Pearson Education) specialize in writing official guides for various companies.

So yeah I think it's official enough to be counted.

Um. No. Sorry. Game guides often have data that is incorrect in them, simply because it is someone else writing the book based off scripts that are out of date.

So the BBB was contacted because of BioWare's "false advertisement" because of claims like "16 different endings" which BioWare never made, and are, in fact, lies made by the claimant.

Sounds to me like BioWare has just cause to sue all your asses.

[jakal66]

All these threads do i make me sad, people have to check their priorities if a game is making you wanna sue the company because you disliked the ending or whatever reason.

It would be funny to see them lose and end up having to pay Bioware in return...silly kids

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Um. No. Sorry. Game guides often have data that is incorrect in them, simply because it is someone else writing the book based off scripts that are out of date.

So the BBB was contacted because of BioWare's "false advertisement" because of claims like "16 different endings" which BioWare never made, and are, in fact, lies made by the claimant.

Sounds to me like BioWare has just cause to sue all your asses.

Except there are plenty of other things.  Its not even a claim I looked at because I couldn't find the source, but sure, lets see how that goes over.  You can't target a weak link like that mentioned by very few people then act all high and mighty without frankly, being out of your mind.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Benjiprice]

We are talking about business!
i spent 60 € with this game!
60€ for me is hard earned money spent working!
If im not satisfied with the product ( be it a game, a consumer, or even a microwave!), i make a complaint, and if the problem inst soved, i got with legal procecution!

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

I think it came from the Prima guide and then posted online.  

So, Prima is now a division of BioWare?

Well it is an 'official guide'.  I don't know what you call Prima's association with the the individual game company.   It's not a division or a partnership. Although I found this informaton:

Strategy guides marketed as "official" are written by game distributors themselves or licensed to a specialty publishing house; Prima Games (a division of Random House) and BradyGames (a division of Pearson Education) specialize in writing official guides for various companies.

So yeah I think it's official enough to be counted.

Um. No. Sorry. Game guides often have data that is incorrect in them, simply because it is someone else writing the book based off scripts that are out of date.

So the BBB was contacted because of BioWare's "false advertisement" because of claims like "16 different endings" which BioWare never made, and are, in fact, lies made by the claimant.

Sounds to me like BioWare has just cause to sue all your asses.

If you were talking about unofficial guides you would be correct.  So basically you're saying that BioWare/EA had no say in the product despite it being officially licensed?  Laughable.  Gee let's let Prima do whatever they want with our property and not hold them accountable.  Hmmmm what happened to Mass Effect Deception again?  Oh right, they are correcting all the incorrect information even though it wasn't written by BioWare.  So it stands to reason that BioWare/EA could make Prima change any incorrect information if it wanted to.