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[Father_Jerusalem]

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Um. No. Sorry. Game guides often have data that is incorrect in them, simply because it is someone else writing the book based off scripts that are out of date.

So the BBB was contacted because of BioWare's "false advertisement" because of claims like "16 different endings" which BioWare never made, and are, in fact, lies made by the claimant.

Sounds to me like BioWare has just cause to sue all your asses.

Except there are plenty of other things.  Its not even a claim I looked at because I couldn't find the source, but sure, lets see how that goes over.  You can't target a weak link like that mentioned by very few people then act all high and mighty without frankly, being out of your mind.

Claims were filed against BioWare to the BBB for "false advertising" based off claims BioWare never stated, in an attempt to try and drive BioWare's rating down, get them investigated, and possibly shut down. If one such claim is suspect, all claims must be investigated closer - and on closer investigation (well, really, a cursory investgiation by someone who doesn't have an agenda of BIOWARE STOLE MY COOKIES! **** BIOWARE!) shows that no other claim is remotely close to being "false advertising".

That is an open and shut case of libel, should BioWare be petty enough to pursue it.

Please, BioWare, be petty enough. PLEASE.

[Kuari999]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

If you were talking about unofficial guides you would be correct.  So basically you're saying that BioWare/EA had no say in the product despite it being officially licensed?  Laughable.  Gee let's let Prima do whatever they want with our property and not hold them accountable.  Hmmmm what happened to Mass Effect Deception again?  Oh right, they are correcting all the incorrect information even though it wasn't written by BioWare.  So it stands to reason that BioWare/EA could make Prima change any incorrect information if it wanted to.

Actually, he's right about the guide bit.  He IS however ignoring everything else to make his ridiculous point and frankly, its at the point where people need to block people like him.  Prima is responsible for fixing things, not BioWare.  Prima however could take action against BioWare depending on terms.

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Claims were filed against BioWare to the
BBB for "false advertising" based off claims BioWare never stated, in an
attempt to try and drive BioWare's rating down, get them investigated,
and possibly shut down. If one such claim is suspect, all claims must be
investigated closer - and on closer investigation (well, really, a
cursory investgiation by someone who doesn't have an agenda of
BIOWARE STOLE MY COOKIES! **** BIOWARE!) shows that no other claim is
remotely close to being "false advertising".

That is an open and shut case of libel, should BioWare be petty enough to pursue it.

Please, BioWare, be petty enough. PLEASE.

You know, the actual BBB post has specific quotes along with who said them...  *sigh*

Edit: And guess what, the person who made that blog post isn't a gamer and *gasp* probably has a legal degree AND works for the BBB.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Ket-Bo]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"BioWare promised us 16 wildly different endings and lied about that!"

I've yet to see a single reputable source for this claim.

Could it be that you all are falsely claiming their false advertising?

But, that would be SILLY, wouldn't it?

I think it came from the Prima guide and then posted online.  

Hold on a Second... "That 16 Endings"-Crap is from a Prima Guide?

BWAHAHAHA You've got to be kiddin' me! You do know that the "Official" on the Cover just means that it is licensed?

Modifié par Ket-Bo, 12 avril 2012 - 09:52 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



If you were talking about unofficial guides you would be correct.  So basically you're saying that BioWare/EA had no say in the product despite it being officially licensed?  Laughable.  Gee let's let Prima do whatever they want with our property and not hold them accountable.  Hmmmm what happened to Mass Effect Deception again?  Oh right, they are correcting all the incorrect information even though it wasn't written by BioWare.  So it stands to reason that BioWare/EA could make Prima change any incorrect information if it wanted to.

Actually, in talking about ANY guide, I'm correct. But thanks for halfway coming to reason!

And as for "BioWare could make Prima change any incorrect information"? Well, in a printed edition, it's hard to.. you know... do that with books already published. That's why they have "second editions". But, you know, *ragerageragerageBIOWARESUCKSrageragerage* is so much more logical, right?

[MrTijger]

AK47 Total WAR wrote...

I honestly don't understand how some people defend these bad practices. It doesn't benefit you in any way to do so.

Maybe you should learn the difference between defending bad practices and calling people on it when they post BS?

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kuari999 wrote...



You know, the actual BBB post has specific quotes along with who said them...  *sigh*

And ONE of the main points people continually bring up about the "false advertising" is the 16 endings bit - which BioWare NEVER said, and is, in fact, a lie. This person who wrote this opinion piece has admitted she never played the game and is, in fact, going by what people are saying on the internet.

INCLUDING THE BIT ABOUT THE 16 ENDINGS.

Putting a big FAT lie in your complaint is a sure way to get the complaint as a whole tossed out, as it is now completely tainted.

As for the other statements? I've pointed out numerous times how none of them are false advertising in any way. It's just a shame this woman didn't bother reading MY posts on the internet, huh?

[jakal66]

Benjiprice wrote...

We are talking about business!
i spent 60 € with this game!
60€ for me is hard earned money spent working!
If im not satisfied with the product ( be it a game, a consumer, or even a microwave!), i make a complaint, and if the problem inst soved, i got with legal procecution!

 Well then put your money where your mouth is and DO it, but for the love of god stop making whiny threats because everyone here is talking the talk but I see no one really suing them because they are scared to have that backfiring.

Like this hasn't been discussed to death in other games, people threatening, making pickets, signing polls, and it always ends up in NOTHING. Be glad you're getting a free extended cut and some free MP stuff because if this had been Activision they wouldn't have even posted a comment on their boards.They would have ignored you to death.And still charged you 15 dollars for DLC...so you know...Bioware isn't that bad...

Modifié par jakal66, 12 avril 2012 - 09:56 .

[jakal66]

Sry DP

Modifié par jakal66, 12 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[USAF112]

jakal66 wrote...

Benjiprice wrote...

We are talking about business!
i spent 60 € with this game!
60€ for me is hard earned money spent working!
If im not satisfied with the product ( be it a game, a consumer, or even a microwave!), i make a complaint, and if the problem inst soved, i got with legal procecution!

 Well then put your money where your mouth is and DO it, but for the love of god stop making whiny threats because everyone here is talking the talk but I see no one really suing them because they are scared to have that backfiring.

Like this hasn't been discussed to death in other games, people threatening, making pickets, signing polls, and it always ends up in NOTHING. Be glad you're getting a free extended cut and some free MP stuff because if this had been Activision they wouldn't have even posted a comment on their boards.They would have ignored you to death.And still charged you 15 dollars for DLC...so you know...Bioware isn't that bad...

^^^This

[Ravenmyste]

not this again BBB will do nothing to bioware since they don't pay them for a rating, so reporting them for a bad ending as you say wont do anything to them and they never said anything about 16 endings and or a secret ending on any website sorry but that part was made up by prima, i think i already said that in this very thread.. so who necroed it

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 12 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



If you were talking about unofficial guides you would be correct.  So basically you're saying that BioWare/EA had no say in the product despite it being officially licensed?  Laughable.  Gee let's let Prima do whatever they want with our property and not hold them accountable.  Hmmmm what happened to Mass Effect Deception again?  Oh right, they are correcting all the incorrect information even though it wasn't written by BioWare.  So it stands to reason that BioWare/EA could make Prima change any incorrect information if it wanted to.

Actually, in talking about ANY guide, I'm correct. But thanks for halfway coming to reason!

And as for "BioWare could make Prima change any incorrect information"? Well, in a printed edition, it's hard to.. you know... do that with books already published. That's why they have "second editions". But, you know, *ragerageragerageBIOWARESUCKSrageragerage* is so much more logical, right?

They also have e-guides too which would be very easy to correct.  Who's to say there can't be a second printing of a guide?  If BioWare thinks it's wrong then they can have a correction put out somewhere.  Kind of like Mass Effect Deception.    If BioWare can get a correction for it's book it can do so for it's guide as well.

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And ONE of the main points people continually bring up about the "false advertising" is the 16 endings bit - which BioWare NEVER said, and is, in fact, a lie. This person who wrote this opinion piece has admitted she never played the game and is, in fact, going by what people are saying on the internet.

INCLUDING THE BIT ABOUT THE 16 ENDINGS.

Putting a big FAT lie in your complaint is a sure way to get the complaint as a whole tossed out, as it is now completely tainted.

As for the other statements? I've pointed out numerous times how none of them are false advertising in any way. It's just a shame this woman didn't bother reading MY posts on the internet, huh?

A couple people making ridiculous statements doesn't not throw everything out.  If that's the way you think, you shouldn't be agreeing with anything because any viewpoint will have a few idiotic statements thrown out there.  As for the other statements, I really don't care what you think about it being false advertisement or not.  The fact of the matter is that it is.  The question should be if you think it should be false advertising or not or if action should be taken.  That's the questionable matter, not whether it is or not.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



If you were talking about unofficial guides you would be correct.  So basically you're saying that BioWare/EA had no say in the product despite it being officially licensed?  Laughable.  Gee let's let Prima do whatever they want with our property and not hold them accountable.  Hmmmm what happened to Mass Effect Deception again?  Oh right, they are correcting all the incorrect information even though it wasn't written by BioWare.  So it stands to reason that BioWare/EA could make Prima change any incorrect information if it wanted to.

Actually, in talking about ANY guide, I'm correct. But thanks for halfway coming to reason!

And as for "BioWare could make Prima change any incorrect information"? Well, in a printed edition, it's hard to.. you know... do that with books already published. That's why they have "second editions". But, you know, *ragerageragerageBIOWARESUCKSrageragerage* is so much more logical, right?

They also have e-guides too which would be very easy to correct.  Who's to say there can't be a second printing of a guide?  If BioWare thinks it's wrong then they can have a correction put out somewhere.  Kind of like Mass Effect Deception.    If BioWare can get a correction for it's book it can do so for it's guide as well.

I.. didn't say they couldn't? I said correcting that in the print editions that are currently available is impossible. Are you one of the head people at either BioWare or Prima? Do you know what steps are being taken to correct the issue? Or do you not actually CARE and instead just blame BioWare anyway because you're so pissed off at them and want them to fail?

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And ONE of the main points people continually bring up about the "false advertising" is the 16 endings bit - which BioWare NEVER said, and is, in fact, a lie. This person who wrote this opinion piece has admitted she never played the game and is, in fact, going by what people are saying on the internet.

INCLUDING THE BIT ABOUT THE 16 ENDINGS.

Putting a big FAT lie in your complaint is a sure way to get the complaint as a whole tossed out, as it is now completely tainted.

As for the other statements? I've pointed out numerous times how none of them are false advertising in any way. It's just a shame this woman didn't bother reading MY posts on the internet, huh?

A couple people making ridiculous statements doesn't not throw everything out.  If that's the way you think, you shouldn't be agreeing with anything because any viewpoint will have a few idiotic statements thrown out there.  As for the other statements, I really don't care what you think about it being false advertisement or not.  The fact of the matter is that it is.  The question should be if you think it should be false advertising or not or if action should be taken.  That's the questionable matter, not whether it is or not.

No, it's not. Sorry. One person who wrote an opinion piece on a BBB website, in no official capacity, does not "false advertising" claims being true make.

Especially when her source for why she thinks it is false advertising is "I heard it on the internet". I mean.. come on.

[thunderhawk862002]

Ravenmyste wrote...

not this again BBB will do nothing to bioware since they don't pay them for a rating, so reporting them for a bad ending as you say wont do anything to them and they never said anything about 16 endings and or a secret ending on any website sorry but that part was made up by prima, i think i already said that in this very thread.. so who necroed it

Well Bioware has an F rating already otherwise it could drop.  Capcom recently just got downgraded from an A+ to a B thanks to the DLC complaints and it isn't accredited.   But my complaint was to EA since BioWare is only a division.  It only took me about a week to get a response from EA's public relations team.  The guy I talked to might have been bluffing but he saw the problems with the quotes like the Rachni one.  What is EA/Bioware's stance on how many endings there are anyway?

[Ket-Bo]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And ONE of the main points people continually bring up about the "false advertising" is the 16 endings bit - which BioWare NEVER said, and is, in fact, a lie. This person who wrote this opinion piece has admitted she never played the game and is, in fact, going by what people are saying on the internet.

INCLUDING THE BIT ABOUT THE 16 ENDINGS.

Putting a big FAT lie in your complaint is a sure way to get the complaint as a whole tossed out, as it is now completely tainted.

As for the other statements? I've pointed out numerous times how none of them are false advertising in any way. It's just a shame this woman didn't bother reading MY posts on the internet, huh?

A couple people making ridiculous statements doesn't not throw everything out.  If that's the way you think, you shouldn't be agreeing with anything because any viewpoint will have a few idiotic statements thrown out there.  As for the other statements, I really don't care what you think about it being false advertisement or not.  The fact of the matter is that it is.  The question should be if you think it should be false advertising or not or if action should be taken.  That's the questionable matter, not whether it is or not.

No, it's not. Sorry. One person who wrote an opinion piece on a BBB website, in no official capacity, does not "false advertising" claims being true make.

Especially when her source for why she thinks it is false advertising is "I heard it on the internet". I mean.. come on.

WHAT? Everyone knows that Hearsay on the Internet is THE Source of Truthiness. Everything else is just Heresy.

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

No, it's not. Sorry. One person who wrote an opinion piece on a BBB website, in no official capacity, does not "false advertising" claims being true make.

Especially when her source for why she thinks it is false advertising is "I heard it on the internet". I mean.. come on.

So just because its the internet, anything goes hmm?  Sorry, that's not how it works.  Laws still apply.  To be blunt, a lot of people online could be charged with something if they were caught and the case would stick, just there are difficulties in catching people.

Ket-Bo wrote...

WHAT? Everyone knows that Hearsay on the Internet is THE Source of Truthiness. Everything else is just Heresy.

Hearsay is if someone tells you that somewhat said something.  Now if you went to the site that held the interview, that's not hearsay.  Chances are someone who works for the BBB?  Probably checked into it.

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[Ravenmyste]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And ONE of the main points people continually bring up about the "false advertising" is the 16 endings bit - which BioWare NEVER said, and is, in fact, a lie. This person who wrote this opinion piece has admitted she never played the game and is, in fact, going by what people are saying on the internet.

INCLUDING THE BIT ABOUT THE 16 ENDINGS.{ never even said that offically sorry but this is wrong}

Putting a big FAT lie in your complaint is a sure way to get the complaint as a whole tossed out, as it is now completely tainted.

As for the other statements? I've pointed out numerous times how none of them are false advertising in any way. It's just a shame this woman didn't bother reading MY posts on the internet, huh?

A couple people making ridiculous statements doesn't not throw everything out.  If that's the way you think, you shouldn't be agreeing with anything because any viewpoint will have a few idiotic statements thrown out there.  As for the other statements, I really don't care what you think about it being false advertisement or not.  The fact of the matter is that it is.  The question should be if you think it should be false advertising or not or if action should be taken.  That's the questionable matter, not whether it is or not.

No, it's not. Sorry. One person who wrote an opinion piece on a BBB website, in no official capacity, does not "false advertising" claims being true make.

Especially when her source for why she thinks it is false advertising is "I heard it on the internet". I mean.. come on.

here check the facts, BBB  is a scamwww.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 12 avril 2012 - 10:15 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

No, it's not. Sorry. One person who wrote an opinion piece on a BBB website, in no official capacity, does not "false advertising" claims being true make.

Especially when her source for why she thinks it is false advertising is "I heard it on the internet". I mean.. come on.

So just because its the internet, anything goes hmm?  Sorry, that's not how it works.  Laws still apply.  To be blunt, a lot of people online could be charged with something if they were caught and the case would stick, just there are difficulties in catching people.

I'm saying "I heard it on the internet" is a crap reason for why someone is guilty of something. Just try writing down some random website as a source for any kind of scholastic paper, you'll be laughed out of the room. I can sit here and say "BioWare said they'd buy me a pony! THEY LIED!" and it has just as much validity as ANYTHING else on the internet.

She never played the game. Her "research" was limited to reading what people were saying on the internet. People filed claims that included an absolute, bald-faced lie that she's accepting as true.

I'm sorry, BioWare's the one with the "F" rating? Then I guess that must make her rating "Full of crap".

Hearsay is if someone tells you that somewhat said something.  Now if
you went to the site that held the interview, that's not hearsay. 
Chances are someone who works for the BBB?  Probably checked into it.

Yeah, she probably read what was said in an interview, and then "checked into it" by reading on the internet how people were whining and screaming and accusing BioWare of lying. "Lols I read it on teh interwebz so it must be true!" Just... come on.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 12 avril 2012 - 10:15 .

[MortalEngines]

If what Bioware said before the game is false advertising, imagine what BBB think of Mr. Molyneux...

[petipas4141]

Knowing the BBB told them that they falsely advertised makes me smile

[Kuari999]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm saying "I heard it on the internet" is a crap reason for why someone is guilty of something. Just try writing down some random website as a source for any kind of scholastic paper, you'll be laughed out of the room. I can sit here and say "BioWare said they'd buy me a pony! THEY LIED!" and it has just as much validity as ANYTHING else on the internet.

She never played the game. Her "research" was limited to reading what people were saying on the internet. People filed claims that included an absolute, bald-faced lie that she's accepting as true.

I'm sorry, BioWare's the one with the "F" rating? Then I guess that must make her rating "Full of crap".

She never got specific about how far she looked into it you know.  Simply that the complains came and that she looked into it.  Fact of the matter is though that those statements were made by devs, so they definitely aren't invalid on any basis, you're really grasping for straws.

[Ket-Bo]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

not this again BBB will do nothing to bioware since they don't pay them for a rating, so reporting them for a bad ending as you say wont do anything to them and they never said anything about 16 endings and or a secret ending on any website sorry but that part was made up by prima, i think i already said that in this very thread.. so who necroed it

Well Bioware has an F rating already otherwise it could drop.  Capcom recently just got downgraded from an A+ to a B thanks to the DLC complaints and it isn't accredited.   But my complaint was to EA since BioWare is only a division.  It only took me about a week to get a response from EA's public relations team.  The guy I talked to might have been bluffing but he saw the problems with the quotes like the Rachni one.  What is EA/Bioware's stance on how many endings there are anyway?

Again just as a FYI:
http://en.wikipedia....ureau#Criticism

[Ravenmyste]

Ket-Bo wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

not this again BBB will do nothing to bioware since they don't pay them for a rating, so reporting them for a bad ending as you say wont do anything to them and they never said anything about 16 endings and or a secret ending on any website sorry but that part was made up by prima, i think i already said that in this very thread.. so who necroed it

Well Bioware has an F rating already otherwise it could drop.  Capcom recently just got downgraded from an A+ to a B thanks to the DLC complaints and it isn't accredited.   But my complaint was to EA since BioWare is only a division.  It only took me about a week to get a response from EA's public relations team.  The guy I talked to might have been bluffing but he saw the problems with the quotes like the Rachni one.  What is EA/Bioware's stance on how many endings there are anyway?

Again just as a FYI:
http://en.wikipedia....ureau#Criticism

www.youtube.com/watch < the actual  story on that wiki wbsite.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 12 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[Kuari999]

Ravenmyste wrote...
www.youtube.com/watch check  it yourself sorry but bioware doesnt pay they get f automatically so no they cant do anything to them

I know of businesses that prove that as a crock of ****, so frankly, ignoring it.