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[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 

Let's see if this works...

A customer service guy... says what a customer wants to hear... to shut that customer up?

Holy cow that must have been the first time that's ever happened. Ever.

This is his OPINION. Again, employees are not robots. They can have different opinions, they can agree with you, disagree with you, whatever. It's not a statement of fact. MANY BioWare employees have said they're satisfied with the ending and how the game played out, but because this one guy agrees with you, all the other people are wrong, and he's right. Got it.

What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

Quit trolling.   Explain to me how the Rachni decision was really important even in just the final battle?  Please I'm listening.

[chris fenton]

I don't like it either. Seems nuts.
And entitled.
Yes, that's coming from someone who hated the ending and supports Retake, so don't flame me.

[chris fenton]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

Quit trolling.   Explain to me how the Rachni decision was really important even in just the final battle?  Please I'm listening.

Also, they did say there was an ending where the Reapers would just flat out win. 
Eh. Whatever, our fans are stupid and won't notice. Right? 

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

Quit trolling.   Explain to me how the Rachni decision was really important even in just the final battle?  Please I'm listening.

The Rachni decision in ME1 is one of the base building blocks upon which your Shepard is based. What s/he does with them can be one of the earliest tones you set for your personal story. On an emotional, personal level - important. What you do with the Rachni also sets up for their appearance in ME3. If you wiped out the Rachni in ME1, then what the Reapers do to bring them back should strike even the hardest of Renegade Shepards as an abomination, leading to yet another decision you must make as you build who YOUR Shepard is. Not to mention, the simple game mechanic of saving the Rachni adds to your EMS score, thereby helping determine which ending you may get.

Important? Sure. What you were expecting? Probably not. But that doesn't mean BioWare lied.

And as for the "Reapers win" ending? That's funny, because one of the earliest memories I have - and this is my recollection, not something I can directly source at this moment - was that they said there would NOT be a "Reapers win" ending.

[Gatt9]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Mars8309 wrote...

hmm...
"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"
"The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that."
http://www.gameinfor...x=2&PageIndex=3

And, based on the choices you make in this game, and the choices you've made in previous games, and the total number of war assets you have, there are many more than three different possible endings.

So... once again. Just because your ridiculous expectations weren't met =/= BioWare lied to you.

What's your stake in this?  You're spending a whole lot of time and energy trying very hard to discredit the BBB.  I haven't seen anyone spend this much time and energy defending EA since DragonlordZ and the Origin thread.  You appear to have a reason for ardently defending EA since the BBB release,  I've found you on every thread related to it.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

Quit trolling.   Explain to me how the Rachni decision was really important even in just the final battle?  Please I'm listening.

The Rachni decision in ME1 is one of the base building blocks upon which your Shepard is based. What s/he does with them can be one of the earliest tones you set for your personal story. On an emotional, personal level - important. What you do with the Rachni also sets up for their appearance in ME3. If you wiped out the Rachni in ME1, then what the Reapers do to bring them back should strike even the hardest of Renegade Shepards as an abomination, leading to yet another decision you must make as you build who YOUR Shepard is. Not to mention, the simple game mechanic of saving the Rachni adds to your EMS score, thereby helping determine which ending you may get.

Important? Sure. What you were expecting? Probably not. But that doesn't mean BioWare lied.

And as for the "Reapers win" ending? That's funny, because one of the earliest memories I have - and this is my recollection, not something I can directly source at this moment - was that they said there would NOT be a "Reapers win" ending.

That's like saying recruiting Diana Allers has huge consequences on the ending because it gives you a war asset.  It doesn't.  Does it play a part? Yes.  If there are 5000 points of assets in the game and the Rachni decision nets you 100 then it is worth 2% of the total points available.  Yeah that's huge.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



That's like saying recruiting Diana Allers has huge consequences on the ending because it gives you a war asset.  It doesn't.  Does it play a part? Yes.  If there are 5000 points of assets in the game and the Rachni decision nets you 100 then it is worth 2% of the total points available.  Yeah that's huge.

So, building YOUR character through YOUR decisions doesn't matter to you, it simply boils down to "lulz they only give 100 assets so BioWare lied"? No wonder you're so disappointed.

[mebtru]

Ket-Bo wrote...


Again just as a FYI:
http://en.wikipedia....ureau#Criticism

And wikipedia is such a infalible, reliable source of information

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



That's like saying recruiting Diana Allers has huge consequences on the ending because it gives you a war asset.  It doesn't.  Does it play a part? Yes.  If there are 5000 points of assets in the game and the Rachni decision nets you 100 then it is worth 2% of the total points available.  Yeah that's huge.

So, building YOUR character through YOUR decisions doesn't matter to you, it simply boils down to "lulz they only give 100 assets so BioWare lied"? No wonder you're so disappointed.

   "[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers." 

The only consequences are if you wipe them out again and what asset you get.  You would think that saving them would have more of an impact but it doesn't.  Plus in reality if you don't save the Queen you get 25-75 assets anyway.  The Rachni were killed once and magically brought back.  I'm sure it can happen again which cheapens your decision further.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



   "[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers." 

The only consequences are if you wipe them out again and what asset you get.  You would think that saving them would have more of an impact but it doesn't.  Plus in reality if you don't save the Queen you get 25-75 assets anyway.  The Rachni were killed once and magically brought back.  I'm sure it can happen again which cheapens your decision further.

It also has consequences on how you build your Shepard, and the journey s/he takes in saving the galaxy. You're focusing too much on the last part, implying "especially in the final battle" instead of "even just in". Again, your expectations =/= BioWare lied.

[sorentoft]

Chrillze wrote...

retic wrote...

 http://m.computerand..._medium=twitter

I have come to respect the opinions of many ME fans who hated the endings...but this is just too much. Does this mean we are now welcoming the age of "tour guide" gamerism, where whiners actually can force game developers everywhere to make changes on something they don't agree with? 

No one will ever be able to make EA and BioWare shutdown, but I agree this is just pathetic. this is too much for a videogame

Why? It is a product like anything else.

[chris fenton]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

Quit trolling.   Explain to me how the Rachni decision was really important even in just the final battle?  Please I'm listening.

The Rachni decision in ME1 is one of the base building blocks upon which your Shepard is based. What s/he does with them can be one of the earliest tones you set for your personal story. On an emotional, personal level - important. What you do with the Rachni also sets up for their appearance in ME3. If you wiped out the Rachni in ME1, then what the Reapers do to bring them back should strike even the hardest of Renegade Shepards as an abomination, leading to yet another decision you must make as you build who YOUR Shepard is. Not to mention, the simple game mechanic of saving the Rachni adds to your EMS score, thereby helping determine which ending you may get.

Important? Sure. What you were expecting? Probably not. But that doesn't mean BioWare lied.

And as for the "Reapers win" ending? That's funny, because one of the earliest memories I have - and this is my recollection, not something I can directly source at this moment - was that they said there would NOT be a "Reapers win" ending.

I think you may be mixed up. I've read it a whole bunch on these forums specifically. Links to outside, too. 
I read there would be such an ending. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

chris fenton wrote...



I think you may be mixed up. I've read it a whole bunch on these forums specifically. Links to outside, too. 
I read there would be such an ending. 

I honestly can't remember, I'll have to go and look around to see if I can find anything on that statement. I know WANTING there to be a Reapers win ending, and I remember being disappointed because I'd heard there wouldn't be one... but I'm old. My memory could be playing tricks on me.

[chris fenton]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

chris fenton wrote...



I think you may be mixed up. I've read it a whole bunch on these forums specifically. Links to outside, too. 
I read there would be such an ending. 

I honestly can't remember, I'll have to go and look around to see if I can find anything on that statement. I know WANTING there to be a Reapers win ending, and I remember being disappointed because I'd heard there wouldn't be one... but I'm old. My memory could be playing tricks on me.

Good luck on your search, amigo. 

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



   "[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers." 

The only consequences are if you wipe them out again and what asset you get.  You would think that saving them would have more of an impact but it doesn't.  Plus in reality if you don't save the Queen you get 25-75 assets anyway.  The Rachni were killed once and magically brought back.  I'm sure it can happen again which cheapens your decision further.

It also has consequences on how you build your Shepard, and the journey s/he takes in saving the galaxy. You're focusing too much on the last part, implying "especially in the final battle" instead of "even just in". Again, your expectations =/= BioWare lied.

Nowhere does he talk about it being related to your Shepard.  If you killed them in the first one they are brought back for the third which cheapens your decision.  Think you killed all the Rachni? Nope here's some more.  The fact is he talked specifically about the final battle with the Reapers and no matter how you slice it they play a minimal role.  You only see them for a brief time and then poof they are gone and don't show up in any other cinematics later on.  

[mrpoultry]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

It's absurd how people have come to the point where they get butthurt over a video game.

A video game that initially costs $60.  Of course that doesn't count the other 2 games and DLC.   I don't care how much a product costs.  If it was advertised falsely then they should be called out on it.  If you buy condoms that advertised 99% effectiveness but really only offered 75% that would be a big problem.

This isn't about false advertising, this is about people becoming selfish and wrapped up in videogames to the point that it strictly becomes their life. And guess what sometimes, developers can't or don't meet their expectations, when that happens people feel entitled to have their expectations met. 

Problem is these "claims" of false advertising are quite subjective and very damn well depend on the person's point of view. Like if I read off the back of Bad Company 2's box it claims that it has and "intense solo campaign and defining online warfare". Problem with that is it's all reletive, like poltics it's opinioned based. Did Bad Company 2 offer a insence solo campaign? You can't prove that it did or didn't it depends on the person.

You can't say that for a condom.

If Bioware made a statement a month before the game was released saying something like this:

"Due to leaked script, we decided to change the orginal ending we had planned.
In pre release statements we said that your choices would affect the outcome and there would be different endings based on your choices throughout the triliogy.
Unfortunatley we were not able to impement and deliver on some of the things we said because of the time constraint between our descision to change the ending and the official release date."

Then it wouldn't be as bad.
If they couldn't deliver on what was advertised or they said was in the game then Bioware should have made
an announcement telling us that.
Instead they chose not to, thus misled us and falsley advertised their product.

This is about false advertising, this is about showing companies that they should be held accountable for misleading their customers and we are going to call them out on it.

Modifié par mrpoultry, 12 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[justlogme]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


What does being satisfied with the endings have to do with anything?  Let's hear them back up their statements made in the interviews.  Surely people with such artistic integrity would gladly explain how their statements matched the actual product.  So come on Hudson and Walters.  Let's hear what you have to say.

Uh, people have explained what those statements mean, and how they're not falsehoods. Many times. Many many many times. To the point that it's now just useless to even try to explain rationally to people like you. If Hudson and Walters came in here and explained the same things to you, it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You'd STILL call them liars. You'd STILL call them frauds. You'd STILL attack them and berate them and belittle them and tear them to shreds.

Seriously, with the kind, welcoming atmosphere that BSN has, it's almost hard to BELIEVE that they wouldn't want to come and subject themselves to that kind of bull****.

  Really seems the BBB disagrees with you.

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

  intweresting to see how even when the BBB says Bioware did false advertisement some still say that Bioware did not lie at all.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...



   "[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers." 

The only consequences are if you wipe them out again and what asset you get.  You would think that saving them would have more of an impact but it doesn't.  Plus in reality if you don't save the Queen you get 25-75 assets anyway.  The Rachni were killed once and magically brought back.  I'm sure it can happen again which cheapens your decision further.

It also has consequences on how you build your Shepard, and the journey s/he takes in saving the galaxy. You're focusing too much on the last part, implying "especially in the final battle" instead of "even just in". Again, your expectations =/= BioWare lied.

Nowhere does he talk about it being related to your Shepard.  If you killed them in the first one they are brought back for the third which cheapens your decision.  Think you killed all the Rachni? Nope here's some more.  The fact is he talked specifically about the final battle with the Reapers and no matter how you slice it they play a minimal role.  You only see them for a brief time and then poof they are gone and don't show up in any other cinematics later on.  

And I've explained to you how that statement is factually true. Your issue is that you don't LIKE how it's true. That is a separate issue entirely.

[Ket-Bo]

mebtru wrote...

Ket-Bo wrote...


Again just as a FYI:
http://en.wikipedia....ureau#Criticism

And wikipedia is such a infalible, reliable source of information

They seem to be more reliable than the Official Guide

[Father_Jerusalem]

justlogme wrote...



  Really seems the BBB disagrees with you.

http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

  intweresting to see how even when the BBB says Bioware did false advertisement some still say that Bioware did not lie at all.

Please, you know, read the thread to know what's been discussed previously before just jumping in blindly.

[Ace Kenshader]

Banelash wrote...

If a president gives out false promises, high chance he won't be elected again. When a company gives out false advertising, all of a sudden its the players who are entitled and gonna create a pandemic?

Please don't be a sheep and actually know when to complain and when not to.

Ooooh that is the weakest argument I have ever seen. Politicians lie all the time and make promises they can't keep; it's what we call "POLITICS".

[justlogme]

Gatt9 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Mars8309 wrote...

hmm...
"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"
"The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that."
http://www.gameinfor...x=2&PageIndex=3

And, based on the choices you make in this game, and the choices you've made in previous games, and the total number of war assets you have, there are many more than three different possible endings.

So... once again. Just because your ridiculous expectations weren't met =/= BioWare lied to you.

What's your stake in this?  You're spending a whole lot of time and energy trying very hard to discredit the BBB.  I haven't seen anyone spend this much time and energy defending EA since DragonlordZ and the Origin thread.  You appear to have a reason for ardently defending EA since the BBB release,  I've found you on every thread related to it.

  Bioware PR?