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[dom1nho]

People are probably sick of discussing difficulty but I thought I'd ask how others have tackled Nightmare. Did anyone play it from the start? My logic for doing so was that I'd only have one learning curve to overcome, rather than having to separately learn and adapt to each new level. My experience with games in general is that if you learn to play on easy or normal you will come to rely heavily on certain tactics and assumptions that will get you killed on the harder levels.

Nightmare is of course anything but easy going; pausing and micromanaging (spellcasters in particular) is all but essential, but then wasn't this how the old Bioware/Black Isle games were played? I was clamouring for a return to the "good old days" and I think DA:O on Nightmare comes very close to that.

FWIW my ideal set-up is one tank (Shale or Alistair), two DPS (backstabbing rogue a must, plus a warrior) and one caster (for aoe crowd control, disabling bosses and healing); or else one DPS and two casters. Very WOW-esque terms but I was going for as generic a description as I could.

[Zcorck]

I did, and I pretty much had the same train of thought.

I also thought that I might as well make it as challenging as possible since first playthrough, since the Dragon Age world was so new and I thought that I might as well make it in tune with my character by being opened up to a new world and face things I had never faced before and struggle for it and being overwhelmed was also one of my expectations for that and it was met and I dont think I would have enjoyed it as much on an easier difficulty setting.



And you're right, because Easy for instance doesn't have Friendly Fire so you can pretty much use Area Of Effect spells all you want as opposed to Nightmare where you have to be quite careful as to where you fire at.

[Serenity84]

I don't think it's any more difficult than Hard so far. In fact, I had some trouble with certain fights on Hard which I easily made it through on Nightmare. It helps when you already know what works.



There were some boss battles on Hard that I barely scraped through though. Those will be the real challenge.

[cipher86]

Nightmare is definitely more difficult than hard, as enemies are more resistant and you are less resistant to attacks. Be prepared to have your entire party wiped by one mage, again and again, until you learn to take him down quickly.

[Midgetface]

Eh. My game started off hard but now at level 13, everything goes down like a breeze so I use less tactics in general.



I think, however, that when I used a respecialization potion at level 8 to make my character the tank and Alistair the DPS (we were both warriors, so I figured it wouldn't affect the gameplay), I realized how much respecs affect difficulty - being able to put all the attribute points in relevant ones and change the layout of skills like that does seem a little bit like cheating.

[Valaryyn]

Respeccing your own character doesn't really change the difficulty much if you use it to correct your own mistakes...it just makes the game more fun.



Respeccing the NPCs probably does impact difficulty as the game was designed towards a limited level of variability...the designers knew that a certain level of party power was constant and then could factor in some 'fudge' for the variability of PC choices.



With NPC respecs, that is all out the window.

[DragonRageGT]

Serenity84 wrote...

I don't think it's any more difficult than Hard so far. In fact, I had some trouble with certain fights on Hard which I easily made it through on Nightmare. It helps when you already know what works.

There were some boss battles on Hard that I barely scraped through though. Those will be the real challenge.

Same here! I had a lot off trouble in Hard, had to reload a lot some of the battles ended up with 20 injuries total and replaying the same char NM from start, it's been a lot easier, zero injuries so far and many of those battles done in the first attempt now.

Granted, knowledge of the game, tactics, party potential and a improved build for the same char helped but I'll try a Hard run again with a new char... seems to be more challenge!

[exorzist]

Wasn't here a dude tellin he was going to try out nightmare without any healing potions? Is that even possible? Seriously ...

[Midgetface]

exorzist wrote...

Wasn't here a dude tellin he was going to try out nightmare without any healing potions? Is that even possible? Seriously ...

Toss enough Arcane Warriors on it and it's pretty much possible.

[Jensonagain]

Nightmare difficulty means you are a potion spammer.  The entire game revolves around your quest for more healing potions and healing.  Heal, heal, heal.  Drain all stamina, drain all mana and when you're enemies are still alive spam potions to make up for the extra HP they have and the longer they can damage you.

Nightmare difficulty is stupid in my opinion.  Instead of enjoying the game you're wasting your time worrying about healing potions all the time.

[Pennoyer]

Jensonagain wrote...

Nightmare difficulty means you are a potion spammer.  The entire game revolves around your quest for more healing potions and healing.  Heal, heal, heal.  Drain all stamina, drain all mana and when you're enemies are still alive spam potions to make up for the extra HP they have and the longer they can damage you.

Nightmare difficulty is stupid in my opinion.  Instead of enjoying the game you're wasting your time worrying about healing potions all the time.

Not necessarily.  Nightmare can be slower paced than easier settings but potion spamming is not required.  Besides, there are enough AI exploits that you can get through most fights without spamming.

[DragoonKain3]

So not true at all. I think I might have used maybe 50 lesser health pots, 50 lesser lyrium pots, and maybe 20 regular health pots during my 70 hour playthrough. So maybe less than 2 pots of any kind per hour? That's not a lot.



In any case, nightmare is fun because you can wipe from numerous things. From that lone mage doing an untimely mass paralysis or the huge number of archers scattershooting you at the same time, trying to figure out how to be victorious is half the fun. For people who don't like figuring out these kind of things, I understand where they're coming from, but for me its the main reason why I like DAO.



And there's a learning curve, but its not so steep so you'll get the hang of it. I personally paused like a mad man for the first few hours, but later on I only really pause at the beginning of battle to issue orders, or when aiming cone spells since I wiped a few times when I accidentally CoC'ed my tank or worse my healer lol.



Seriously, if the game gave you more tactics slots (or you're given the combat tactics skills for free), and if your controlled character does NOT suspend the use of tactics, you can probably breeze through nightmare just through tactics alone barring a few manually placed AoEs here or there.

[Faerell Gustani]

Finished the game on Hard mode. Restarted the game in Nightmare using pretty much the same style of party. So far it's the same thing, cept for the Maleficar fight, 4 mages at once was a bit painful and it took some time to manage it correctly and interrupt all of the spells that normally would end the fight for me.

[slevvio]

I've been playing on nightmare from the start... accidentally. I've no idea how I managed to set the difficulty to that but I made it to level 17 so far hehe I was beginning to wonder why I was dying so much