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[MassiveEffects]

Hating her is extreme, I agree with that. I merely hated the character and really, really disliked her performance. But even then, it's rather fallacious to equate hatred of one person to a hatred of their entire gender. Just thought I'd point that out.

Modifié par MassiveEffects, 12 avril 2012 - 05:58 .

[Fenrisfil]

I think they used her for a similar reason they used Veronica Belmont in Fallout New Vegas. Only the difference was Belmont played a light switch (well, two light switches) and did that role pretty well (but then... it was a light switch) and didn't have the game designers replace a popular, well liked tertiary character with her and didn't spend time and resources creating a sexed up 3D version of her. Sure give someone like Chobot a cameo as a voice actress, that I don't mind, but there was really no need to go so far with it. I think even her defenders would have rather brought Emily Wong on board.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 12 avril 2012 - 05:58 .

[ahandsomeshark]

I never talked to her (allers) and could care less about her character but based on comments I've seen directed towards Chobot in general there definitely seems to be some misogynistic rhetoric in play.

[Aurvant]

Hating all women is Misogyny. Hating one person who happens to be a woman is not.

[Legion is Skynet]

Siduri wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pjotroos wrote...

I don't think she got the job for her looks, I think she got the job because she's supposed to be a geek magnet. I also think that's what lots of other people are thinking. It's stunt casting.

Yeah, there's that too.

That's what I actually pose as my main reason in threads about Chobot.

She's that perfect "gamer girl" that guys like. Anime, manga, video games in underwear and provocative positions. What guy wouldn't like her?

They did a bad job on her character model, though. Melty face.

See, this, is all fine. I totally agree with everything you've said here. Perfectly valid criticism.

It's when people start ****-shaming Jessica Chobot, and saying that she must have slept with someone at BioWare to get the job, that it crosses over into a personal, and a sexist, attack. (Link leads to a feminism 101 explanation of ****-shaming and why it's misogynistic.)

I'm not going to join in any discussion of this, btw. You'll either educate yourself, or not. I'll just keep reporting personal attacks and sexism when I see it.

Yup, that's pretty much the sum of it. The fact that an individual can see a few pictures, dissaprove of a performance, and then immediately leap to making blatant negative inferences into the personal character or professionalism  of someone they've never met or spoken to is ridiculous. 

[FatalX7.0]

MassiveEffects wrote...

Hating her is extreme, I agree with that. I merely hated the character and really, really disliked her performance. But even then, it's rather fallacious to equate hatred of one person to a hatred of their entire gender. Just though I'd point that out.

That would mean that I also hate myself. <_<

[John Epler]

There's a difference between 'I'm not a fan of the character she portrayed' and the kind of misogynistic language I was seeing in the other thread. If this keeps on the former, great. If it trends towards the latter, then it's going to get locked.

EDIT: Siduri has the right of it. Keep it out of that realm and you'll be fine. Head back in that direction and you won't.

Modifié par John Epler, 12 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[jsadalia]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

jsadalia wrote...

Misogyny is people saying she ****ed execs at Bioware to get the gig.

That's being sexist, which goes for both genders.

But, it can also be a reasonable assumption based on character.

A reasonable assumption based on character?  That's idiocy.

[horacethegrey]

I have no problem with Jessica Chobot. I actually think she's kinda cute and I do feel bad about all the negative press she's been getting over ME3.

I do have a problem with the inclusion of Diana Allers though. I mean, what was the point? If we needed an intrepid reporter to assist Shepard's efforts to drum up support in the war, why not Emily Wong?

[The Spamming Troll]

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

[FatalX7.0]

jsadalia wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

jsadalia wrote...

Misogyny is people saying she ****ed execs at Bioware to get the gig.

That's being sexist, which goes for both genders.

But, it can also be a reasonable assumption based on character.

A reasonable assumption based on character?  That's idiocy.

I didn't say it wasn't.

[John Epler]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

For example, this is unacceptable.

[FatalX7.0]

horacethegrey wrote...

I have no problem with Jessica Chobot. I actually think she's kinda cute and I do feel bad about all the negative press she's been getting over ME3.

I do have a problem with the inclusion of Diana Allers though. I mean, what was the point? If we needed an intrepid reporter to assist Shepard's efforts to drum up support in the war, why not Emily Wong?

I'd feel bad, if she hadn't insulted Mass Effect fans.

I don't like being called a whiner.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 avril 2012 - 06:03 .

[MassiveEffects]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Siduri wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Yeah, there's that too.

That's what I actually pose as my main reason in threads about Chobot.

She's that perfect "gamer girl" that guys like. Anime, manga, video games in underwear and provocative positions. What guy wouldn't like her?

They did a bad job on her character model, though. Melty face.

See, this, is all fine. I totally agree with everything you've said here. Perfectly valid criticism.

It's when people start ****-shaming Jessica Chobot, and saying that she must have slept with someone at BioWare to get the job, that it crosses over into a personal, and a sexist, attack. (Link leads to a feminism 101 explanation of ****-shaming and why it's misogynistic.)

I'm not going to join in any discussion of this, btw. You'll either educate yourself, or not. I'll just keep reporting personal attacks and sexism when I see it.

Yup, that's pretty much the sum of it. The fact that an individual can see a few pictures, dissaprove of a performance, and then immediately leap to making blatant negative inferences into the personal character or professionalism  of someone they've never met or spoken to is ridiculous. 

For the record, I believe that the people who said this were (generally) joking. If you think the joke was in poor taste, fine, I can see that, but I highly doubt people were being serious.

[trickfred]

sparkyo42 wrote...

I have nothing against the woman, but I do think that there were better options for a reporter on Normandy, Wong or Khalisah would have fitted into the story better. I also didn't like that they killed off Wong on Twitter.

I also don't like the connections to IGN but certainly the sexists comments are out of line.

+1

It's rather jarring hearing her in the game, using her 'Daily Fix' tone of voice (I really hope she doesn't talk like that in real life). I would have much preferred Emily Wong, but alas, Bioware murdered her with Twitter for the sake of unwanted fan service.

My new multiplayer goal is to promote enough classes that I can safely play the single player game without ever letting her on my ship again. That is, if the EC fixes the ending to the point I'm even willing to play the single player again.

[FatalX7.0]

John Epler wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

For example, this is unacceptable.

I'd like to point you towards his username.

[Johanna]

Aurvant wrote...

Hating all women is Misogyny. Hating one person who happens to be a woman is not.

It depends entirely on the way you go about hating that one woman.
When you demean a single woman in a way that demeans all women, it is misogyny.  

My thanks to John Epler.  You're a stand-up guy.

[Johanna]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

For example, this is unacceptable.

I'd like to point you towards his username.

Trolls don't get a pass for employing misogyny because they're trolls.  FYI.

[Eain]

FatalX7.0 wrote...
She's that perfect "gamer girl" that guys like. Anime, manga, video games in underwear and provocative positions. What guy wouldn't like her?

Me?

Any girl who behaves like that is visibly self-conscious. I don't like people who use their body as a means to an end.

Modifié par Eain, 12 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Revelo]

I'd rather have had Emily Wong on the Normandy, an established character we already got to know. Not the result of IGN cosying up to Bioware... Killing Wong off via Twitter was a disgrace....

[Johanna]

MassiveEffects wrote...


For the record, I believe that the people who said this were (generally) joking. If you think the joke was in poor taste, fine, I can see that, but I highly doubt people were being serious.

Yeah, thing is, it's not funny.  Misogynist jokes are still misogynist.

[balance5050]

"Trolls don't get a pass for employing misogyny because they're trolls. FYI."

- Pretty much

[HITMAN629]

Apply what you just said to guys. You know how many of us dislike each other? It dosent make us misandry though.