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[Aurvant]

I don't hate Jessica Chobot at all, but I do:

- Think her character was utterly pointless aside from 100 war asset points.
- Think that her performance was awful and that there were far more talented women out there who could have done better (like Michelle Ruff)
- Think that her actual rendering was awkward and didn't translate very well.
- Think that her inclusion in the game was simply due to cross-promotion with IGN.
- Think that, overall, her character was a waste of resources and time that could have been spent on more interesting aspects of Mass Effect 3 (example: TALI'S FACE)

That's all I think though. I'm sure Chobot is a wonderful woman, but I just don't feel she was the right woman for Mass Effect 3. Especially when there are far better VA's that are available.

[FatalX7.0]

pants witch wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Hating a woman who licks PSPs to be famous and looks like Snookie is not sexism it's just opinion. Then again I see her as a spec not even really worth brushing off my shoulder. I didn't even know who she was hell I barely remembered the reporters name. She was just kinda there. She hit on Shepard I vomited a little and moved on with my life.

Say what?
Opinions can be sexist.  I don't know where you got the idea they couldn't be.

For example, your opinion is sexist because your hatred is based on a woman being sexy (?) with a piece of electronic equipment, and for looking like another woman you don't find attractive. 

God, why am I even bothering...

It's more than being "sexy", as you call it. If you google her, look at pictures of videos of her, she's not modest. She's suggestive, provocative and very innapropriate.

That's where this stems from.

[FatalX7.0]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

For example, this is unacceptable.

I'd like to point you towards his username.

Trolls don't get a pass for employing misogyny because they're trolls.  FYI.

You totally missed the point.

His name is The Spamming Troll. You should expect him to say that kind of crap.

I never said it was right or that he had a free pass. I pointed out that he was a troll. That spams.

MYSOGONY IS OKAY WHEN YOU ARE MAKING JOKES!

LOL MYSOGONY! JUST JOKES AND JOKES AND JOKES AND JOKES! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Are you trolling?

[jumpingkaede]

Siduri wrote...

See, this, is all fine. I totally agree with everything you've said here. Perfectly valid criticism.

It's when people start ****-shaming Jessica Chobot, and saying that she must have slept with someone at BioWare to get the job, that it crosses over into a personal, and a sexist, attack. (Link leads to a feminism 101 explanation of ****-shaming and why it's misogynistic.)

I'm not going to join in any discussion of this, btw. You'll either educate yourself, or not. I'll just keep reporting personal attacks and sexism when I see it.

Chobot's career is centered around her "****tiness" and being a gamer girl.

See: http://www.ign.com/b...ca-chobot-rocks

However, I do agree that even if Chobot is a **** that's not a reason to criticize her personally.  Her sexual promiscuity is neither here nor there.

On the other hand, if her casting decision was because she was a **** and someone in casting thought that gamers would want a **** on the Normandy then... 

Edit:  I don't know why there are so many asterisks but it's the same word each time, based on the quoted link about ****-shaming.

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 12 avril 2012 - 06:20 .

[Johanna]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*sigh*

What age do we live in when people don't even realize joke and satire...

The joke.  Is sexist.  It is not.  Funny.

And lol, what?  Satire?  Seriously?  Seriously?

I can't even.  No.  I'm done.  DONE!  AHAHAHA!  Satire.  Satire!!

[Sohlito]

Chobot gets way too much needless flak for her VO ability, and while it isn't the greatest, there have been worse.

The character of Allers, I don't really mind so much personally. She nets you a few bumps in your overall EMS, and stays pretty much confined to her corner of the ship. You don't even really have to interact with her all that much if you don't like her.

I initially didn't want Allers on the Normandy (mostly just a thing with war reporters in general), but...



..who can say no to that face. Seriously Bioware, what happened with the facial scan? Chobot isn't a bad looking woman, but the Allers model...yikes.

[jumpingkaede]

Sohlito wrote...

Chobot gets way too much needless flak for her VO ability, and while it isn't the greatest, there have been worse.

But worse in Mass Effect?

[Johanna]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Hating a woman who licks PSPs to be famous and looks like Snookie is not sexism it's just opinion. Then again I see her as a spec not even really worth brushing off my shoulder. I didn't even know who she was hell I barely remembered the reporters name. She was just kinda there. She hit on Shepard I vomited a little and moved on with my life.

Say what?
Opinions can be sexist.  I don't know where you got the idea they couldn't be.

For example, your opinion is sexist because your hatred is based on a woman being sexy (?) with a piece of electronic equipment, and for looking like another woman you don't find attractive. 

God, why am I even bothering...

It's more than being "sexy", as you call it. If you google her, look at pictures of videos of her, she's not modest. She's suggestive, provocative and very innapropriate.

That's where this stems from.

Maybe you should, I don't know, ask your parents to filter your internet experience if female sexuality bothers you this much.

[sparkyo42]

Laurencio wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Revelo wrote...

I'd rather have had Emily Wong on the Normandy, an established character we already got to know. Not the result of IGN cosying up to Bioware... Killing Wong off via Twitter was a disgrace....

Because when asked, after having made a mistake, they should have just said "We don't know". That would have gone over so well with the already infuriated fans.

Heck she might die in a DLC for all we know, maybe she died trying to cover the reapers invasion of the citadel? A video documentary about the last days of the citadel, professional to the last?

From memory she's killed off on Earth during the opening days/moments of the Reaper invasion, which since she was a Cidatel Reporter is a bit strange. If it had been your suggestion I would have been ok with it, maybe seen a clip on one of hte mointors during the Cebrus invasion for example.

They killed her off on Earth? Humanity's reporter on the Citadel, was killed on Earth? Who in the wide world would make that the "story"?

Yeah that was what I was thinking when I saw it, as I said I only saw it in passing it was on the feed during the launch day, she was reporting on conditions in the cities. I think either of the 2 previous reporters would have been better and as had been said I would have liked the idea developed better.

[HITMAN629]

John Epler wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Apply what you just said to guys. You know how many of us dislike each other? It dosent make us misandry though.

There's a marked difference, though, between insults which are used to demean and degrade women, specifically, and insults that can be generally applied to anyone. There's a lot of historical and societal context that's highly important for making this distinction.

Not to mention that misogyny is still a significant problem in society, whereas misandry is technically a thing, but not to anywhere close to the same degree. And now we've gone political, so I'll end by saying - avoid insulting the person and you should be fine.

I was just trying to show that guys attack each other all the time. The OP was asking if "hating" somebody of her own sex made her a misogynist. Just trying to change perspective is all.

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

For example, this is unacceptable.

I'd like to point you towards his username.

Trolls don't get a pass for employing misogyny because they're trolls.  FYI.

You totally missed the point.

His name is The Spamming Troll. You should expect him to say that kind of crap.

I never said it was right or that he had a free pass. I pointed out that he was a troll. That spams.

Since most of us on this forum can, presumably, read, I think it's fair to assume we all were able to read "THE SPAMMING TROLL".  You are missing the point again.

*sigh*

What age do we live in when people don't even realize joke and satire...

So if someone names themselve "raging racist", they can throw around the N-word and it would be considered acceptable? Thats some funny logic you got there buddy.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[FatalX7.0]

pants witch wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*sigh*

What age do we live in when people don't even realize joke and satire...

The joke.  Is sexist.  It is not.  Funny.

And lol, what?  Satire?  Seriously?  Seriously?

I can't even.  No.  I'm done.  DONE!  AHAHAHA!  Satire.  Satire!!

Wait, wait, wait.

You think I'm talking about the sexist joke being satire? I do not know how to make this any simpler for you to understand.

He posted a sexist comment.

Epler replied to him to say it was inappropriate.

I replied to point out that he was a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

I was making a joke, being a smartass, a jackass, whichever you prefer, by replying to point out that he was trolling, saying to look at his username that says he is a troll.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[sargon1986]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Misogyny is the hatred of women or girls. That's just a general definition.

I see people throw this around a lot when people talk about Diana Allers and Jessica Chobot. She's a terrible voice actor, her behavior isn't exactly modest, and she's not a super nice person either. She called us all whiners.

No way she should have been in the game. There are many talented voice actors out there, why not give them a nice break?

Does this mean that I hate myself, as well?

But artistic integrity dude!

[FatalX7.0]

pants witch wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Hating a woman who licks PSPs to be famous and looks like Snookie is not sexism it's just opinion. Then again I see her as a spec not even really worth brushing off my shoulder. I didn't even know who she was hell I barely remembered the reporters name. She was just kinda there. She hit on Shepard I vomited a little and moved on with my life.

Say what?
Opinions can be sexist.  I don't know where you got the idea they couldn't be.

For example, your opinion is sexist because your hatred is based on a woman being sexy (?) with a piece of electronic equipment, and for looking like another woman you don't find attractive. 

God, why am I even bothering...

It's more than being "sexy", as you call it. If you google her, look at pictures of videos of her, she's not modest. She's suggestive, provocative and very innapropriate.

That's where this stems from.

Maybe you should, I don't know, ask your parents to filter your internet experience if female sexuality bothers you this much.

I don't live with my parents, and I am female.

[syllogi]

I dislike the idea of Diana Allers, because every time I hear "artistic integrity" mentioned in relation to ME3, she pops into my head. Ugh. But she also represents the supposed lack of resources that led to Tali's face being a royalty free stock photo, and Jacob and Thane's romances being trashed, and FemShep not getting the cool leather jacket but rather a lazy recolor of her terrible outfit. This is all besides the fact that her voice acting is terrible and her presence on the Normandy adds absolutely nothing to my gaming experience.

There is literally no upside to Jessica Chobot's addition to the game, and plenty of negatives. Even if I weren't painfully aware of how poorly females are treated in the Mass Effect franchise, she would be a sad misstep.

[jsadalia]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Hating a woman who licks PSPs to be famous and looks like Snookie is not sexism it's just opinion. Then again I see her as a spec not even really worth brushing off my shoulder. I didn't even know who she was hell I barely remembered the reporters name. She was just kinda there. She hit on Shepard I vomited a little and moved on with my life.

Say what?
Opinions can be sexist.  I don't know where you got the idea they couldn't be.

For example, your opinion is sexist because your hatred is based on a woman being sexy (?) with a piece of electronic equipment, and for looking like another woman you don't find attractive. 

God, why am I even bothering...

It's more than being "sexy", as you call it. If you google her, look at pictures of videos of her, she's not modest. She's suggestive, provocative and very innapropriate.

That's where this stems from.

Why on earth should she be modest and appropriate?  The idea that she should be is in itself misogynistic, and it in no way excuses the specific degree of sexualized vitriol poured on her on these forums.

[Dridengx]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id like chobot to perform the same thing that got her into the game, on me.

Far as I'm aware she was called and asked if she wanted to be in the game seeing how she was a fan, she said yes. She didn't do anything, so you should be used to that feeling

Modifié par Dridengx, 12 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[Aurvant]

I have a distinct problem with people (or groups of people) trying real hard to create a term just because they feel it fits a situation. Stop it, people.

You can't just toss a hyphen in between words and say "I may a new term".

[Trentgamer]

My biggest problem with the Diana Allers character is that they went through all the time and effort to put her in game, even a custom model, etc, yet they slacked so horribly on important parts of the game. Seems their priorities were kind of out of whack on aspects of the game.

[Brother Takka]

I quite liked allers. She's just like I though a war magazine program would look like. Lets face it, allers is not ment to be a deep character.

[FatalX7.0]

jsadalia wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Hating a woman who licks PSPs to be famous and looks like Snookie is not sexism it's just opinion. Then again I see her as a spec not even really worth brushing off my shoulder. I didn't even know who she was hell I barely remembered the reporters name. She was just kinda there. She hit on Shepard I vomited a little and moved on with my life.

Say what?
Opinions can be sexist.  I don't know where you got the idea they couldn't be.

For example, your opinion is sexist because your hatred is based on a woman being sexy (?) with a piece of electronic equipment, and for looking like another woman you don't find attractive. 

God, why am I even bothering...

It's more than being "sexy", as you call it. If you google her, look at pictures of videos of her, she's not modest. She's suggestive, provocative and very innapropriate.

That's where this stems from.

Why on earth should she be modest and appropriate?  The idea that she should be is in itself misogynistic, and it in no way excuses the specific degree of sexualized vitriol poured on her on these forums.

I never said she had to be.

That was my own obersation of her personality.

[Southerndoom]

I was curious why Wong wanst in ME3. The reporter role should have went to her. But its not like i hated the Allers character or anything,im indifferent.

[count_4]

John Epler wrote...
 the kind of misogynistic language

Would you mind giving a short example of such language? As others pointed out there is a difference between sexism, personal attacks and misogyny. And I haven't encountered anything of the latter kind.
Not defending anything here, just curious.

[Johanna]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*sigh*

What age do we live in when people don't even realize joke and satire...

The joke.  Is sexist.  It is not.  Funny.

And lol, what?  Satire?  Seriously?  Seriously?

I can't even.  No.  I'm done.  DONE!  AHAHAHA!  Satire.  Satire!!

Wait, wait, wait.

You think I'm talking about the sexist joke being satire? I do not know how to make this any simpler for you to understand.

He posted a sexist comment.

Epler replied to him to say it was inappropriate.

I replied to point out that he was a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

Please, just stop. You don't want to understand, and I can't laugh anymore.  It hurtssss.