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[tomcplotts]

Velocithon wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Complaining that Bioware has decided to not do exactly what you want them to do is nothing short of the entitled whining that many people accused Retakers of at the beginning of all of this.

This is Bioware's product. I agree the ending is bad, but ranting and raving that they aren't doing exactly what you want them to is nothing short of arrogance. Would it be wonderful if they completely got rid of the current ending and wrote a new, better one? Of course. Is that what they are doing? no. Is that perfectly their choice to make? YES.

If you don't like that Bioware gets to control what they do with THEIR work, return your copy of the game and don't buy more Bioware products. Just as they have no obligation to do what you want, you have no obligation to buy their products. That's how the developer-customer relationship works.

Oh please. Spare me. Bioware lied about the content in the game. We bought the game expecting said content, and it wasn't there. Stop calling us entitled for that reason. If Bioware hadn't lied about it, this wouldn't be nearly as big of an issue. And before you say they can change their mind, they lied as late as a couple months before release...

Sorry to piggyback. but the relationship that the Hobbesian creature describes is not a developer-customer relationship, it's an employer-employee one. And the line between the two isn't especially thin. Economic transactions imply meeting in commonly beneficial space. Yeah, markets don't actually work that way anymore, but that's the way they're supposed to work. Your idea is do it or quit, or take it or leave it. Of course, this attitude explains why global economies are not in the best of shape for most people.

[jimbo32]

The OP is obviously annoyed, and I think he missed an important part of this issue. There were many statements made regarding the ending by the developers leading up to the launch of ME3 which stand in complete contradiction to the product we were delivered. I think we've all seen most of them, so the link should suffice for a refresher.

When Mr. Gamble says
"It wasn’t in the game because we didn’t know there was such a huge demand for it, to be honest with you.", I can't help but add "Despite the fact that you (and others) specifically said that these things would be in the game, you didn't forsee a demand? Really?" 

No offense Mr. Woo, but trying to explain these things away as a "difference of opinion" doesn't fly. What you said above: "Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account." isn't even tangentially related to the issue. 

The issue is that the PR for ME3 pre-launch said one thing and we were delivered something which did not come close to living up to those statements. That's no "difference of opinion", that's a fact. I realize that you're a BioWare employee, and likely bound by NDA and your own loyalty to your coworkers, and I really do respect that. But please don't insult our intelligence by trying to portray this whole thing as a plain old difference of opinion.

Thank you.

Modifié par jimbo32, 13 avril 2012 - 03:48 .

[iDeevil]

I'm not 100% sure, the more I read from the team of bioware that they are not reimagining the endings, the more I know THEY ARE.  If there insistance was true they would just leave it, but by getting to writers in the create a 'more personalised experience' and such the ending IS being reimagined.  It IS being changed and in essense we WILL be getting new endings even if they aren't, specifically, working towards a new one.

To extend from this logic, there is nothing to say, to me, that they will not change their mind (or they already have) and release additional endings without telling us.  You know, a jazzy little surprise that we never saw coming.  It could happen and it'll, potentially, make them look better than admitting defeat of the 'artistic' vision easily.

Modifié par iDeevil, 13 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[Tazzmission]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

People that don't have jobs wont be able to understand you here. If you have a job you'll know this is possible and makes sense.

the issue isnt about not having jobs its just that fans are spoiled plain and simple


ive stated this god knows how many times and i guess the only thing that matters is there own view on the whole thing


i look at it like if people are this butthurt about it why dont they themselves recreate the game themselves in there own image? that way they can shut up about it finally

[DangerousPuddy]

This is pathetic.

They ask us what we want.

They tell us they will give us that based on the feedback we provide.

Then they pull a bait and switch after release, in the product itself.

There is no defending that, there is no integrity there.

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

Tazzmission wrote...

the issue isnt about not having jobs its just that fans are spoiled plain and simple

ive stated this god knows how many times and i guess the only thing that matters is there own view on the whole thing

i look at it like if people are this butthurt about it why dont they themselves recreate the game themselves in there own image? that way they can shut up about it finally

I've actually suggested that if BioWare cannot provide a reasonable conclusion to the Mass Effect story, that the fans should simply take control of the canon themselves.

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 13 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[Dracotamer]

I think things did not turn out as planned for Bioware.

[Esoretal]

Harry: Are you really Sirius?

Sirius: That stopped being funny in 2001.

Modifié par Esoretal, 13 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[UnstableMongoose]

To the OP, for purposes of clarifying an inquiry that I have regarding his discourse:

IS YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY TAPED DOWN? OR DO YOU JUST THINK THAT TALKING LIKE THIS ON THE INTERNET MAKES YOU A BIGGER MAN?

[soske aizen]

you know the ending hit me hard it really did but the pr is what makes me want to never give them my money again

[iDeevil]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...


I've actually suggested that if BioWare cannot provide a reasonable conclusion to the Mass Effect story, that the fans should simply take control of the canon themselves.

There was no chance that anyone could have done this game 'justice' by all fans reckoning.  Unfortunately when you get so deep into a game, and become so emotionally invested because *you* can make decisions that at least superficially have an affect, it's impossible to work a truely satisfactory ending.  Much harder than a TV series, book series or movie - and they get enough flack for not being ended 'right'.

[Tazzmission]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

the issue isnt about not having jobs its just that fans are spoiled plain and simple

ive stated this god knows how many times and i guess the only thing that matters is there own view on the whole thing

i look at it like if people are this butthurt about it why dont they themselves recreate the game themselves in there own image? that way they can shut up about it finally

I've actually suggested that if BioWare cannot provide a reasonable conclusion to the Mass Effect story, that the fans should simply take control of the canon themselves.

or you know like i stated before maybe the endings are what they are since me3 is a standalone game for new gamers

i mean hey afterall people can select wich version they want i.e rpg, action, story

nobody should be upset about a company trying to make a fanbase even bigger


and tbh the whole false advertising is bs imo because everyone knew the information before the game came out via leak script and beta


also wile we are on the suggject asnwer me this

in the last 2 games when you make a choice how did that at all affect the trilogy?

save the council and you get extra diolauge

kill or save rachni and there still in

keep or destroy collector base and either way the same scenarion is what we get

Modifié par Tazzmission, 13 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Gwtheyrn]

Dracotamer wrote...

I think things did not turn out as planned for Bioware.

^
And this folks, is what's known as an understatement.

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

iDeevil wrote...

There was no chance that anyone could have done this game 'justice' by all fans reckoning.  Unfortunately when you get so deep into a game, and become so emotionally invested because *you* can make decisions that at least superficially have an affect, it's impossible to work a truely satisfactory ending.  Much harder than a TV series, book series or movie - and they get enough flack for not being ended 'right'.

I don't agree. The resolution of the genophage and geth subplots in ME3 prove that you really can "have it all." The ending of the game just didn't deliver.

[Zarathustra666]

"The dev team stands by what was released in the core product, and we're very proud of it." Hey, I have just defecated on my work, but I'm too stubborn to admit it, so I'll say I'm proud.

[iDeevil]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

iDeevil wrote...

There was no chance that anyone could have done this game 'justice' by all fans reckoning.  Unfortunately when you get so deep into a game, and become so emotionally invested because *you* can make decisions that at least superficially have an affect, it's impossible to work a truely satisfactory ending.  Much harder than a TV series, book series or movie - and they get enough flack for not being ended 'right'.

I don't agree. The resolution of the genophage and geth subplots in ME3 prove that you really can "have it all." The ending of the game just didn't deliver.

Did they really?  So it's a universal truth that EVERYONE liked the endings of those subplots?

But even if it were, they are subplots.  It's not ending the entire journey of the character that *you* essentially became while playing the game.  The stakes in ending Shepards story were SOOO much higher than those subplots.

[Tazzmission]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

iDeevil wrote...

There was no chance that anyone could have done this game 'justice' by all fans reckoning.  Unfortunately when you get so deep into a game, and become so emotionally invested because *you* can make decisions that at least superficially have an affect, it's impossible to work a truely satisfactory ending.  Much harder than a TV series, book series or movie - and they get enough flack for not being ended 'right'.

I don't agree. The resolution of the genophage and geth subplots in ME3 prove that you really can "have it all." The ending of the game just didn't deliver.

i have a idea regarding the relays blowing up

the devs stated me3 is ww2 in space right?

what if the catalyst is the atom bomb but instead of destroying japan they destroy the relays regarding the reapers trail?

the catalyst never said all galaxies will be destroyed so maybe the intention was isolate everyone by doing such a thing?

[palanora]

My ex wife also listened to me

then she would turn around and do exactly what she wanted

guess why she is my EX wife?

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

One of the Bioware employees just needs to come out and apologize for letting EA ruin their game

[Tazzmission]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

One of the Bioware employees just needs to come out and apologize for letting EA ruin their game

wont happen because ea funds bioware dude.............

and besides they dont owe anybody a appology

[wantedman dan]

Tazzmission wrote...

and besides they dont owe anybody a appology

And exactly why not?

[karek]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Not on this, not without thinking your fans are generally idiots which is the assumption made by thinking they didn't want to know the plot of the story had relevance to the actual story itself. 

Honestly it's comments like yours that have made this drama so much larger than it could have been.

Modifié par karek, 13 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

iDeevil wrote...

Did they really?  So it's a universal truth that EVERYONE liked the endings of those subplots?

But even if it were, they are subplots.  It's not ending the entire journey of the character that *you* essentially became while playing the game.  The stakes in ending Shepards story were SOOO much higher than those subplots.

I think the resolution of those subplots was objectively superior to the game's ending, simply on the basis that they were more varied and took more of the player's choices into account. We could also argue, based on an informal consensus dredged from internet forums like this one, that the resolution of those subplots was far more emotionally satisfying.

BioWare had plenty of material to work with for the game's conclusion, even if they had ignored all the choices the player made earlier in the series. But they didn't even do that right, so it was an unmitigated disaster on several fronts.

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 13 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Nuke1967]

Jack_Forest wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Well, if you still want my money you should at least partly satisfy my demands (that is do what I want).

Most companies will always say to customers "We listen to your concerns", but really as long as you buy their stuff it goes in one ear and out the other. If you want a company to truly listen to what you want, don't give them your money, if enough people do that, well you will be amazed how they start to actually do something about it.

[Tazzmission]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

and besides they dont owe anybody a appology

And exactly why not?

do you even understand on how a buisness works?

a buisness will do what it can to reach every form of consumer and imo no bioware dosent owe you a apology for doing what a normal buisness does

you think the more you atagonize the developers you will get what you want but thats not how the world works

be gratefull your getting a free dlc ending at all and consider that there apology because they can basicly say you know what we arent gona do nothing