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[Metroidvania]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Pardon my question, but how does this work?

Completely disagreeing with someone's desires does not mean that taking their feedback into account has any significance.

It means (at least in this instance, taking into account the assumption of the stance of the OP) that you're completely opposed to "person x's" desire for further information or change based on feedback.

Modifié par Metroidvania, 12 avril 2012 - 11:59 .

[Kanon777]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

I agree

[Gemini1179]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

No offense Mr. Woo, but you're starting to sound like a broken record.

[Hyrist]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Statment holds no water.

It wasn't  a "We diddn't agree with what the fans wanted." excuse.

It was "We diddn't know!" excuse, which means they weren't listening.

Sorry, Stanley, but you're really not helping here.

If you're arguing that they heard it, and ignored it because they understimated how badly it was wanted, then the initial argument against them stands: They need to listen better, and stop brushing off the comments of upset/concerned customers as some sort of fringe group...

... like what you've been doing the couple of few days.


I understand the difficulty of trying to weigh in on which feedback from the fans is substantial enough to address, but some common sense could be applied in these cases. They knew the ending would be a substantial clutch point for people. And according to sources, they were indecisive about it for quite a while. 

At that point, they could have polled their base, and they chose not to.

[ImmovableMover]

jonal11 wrote...

There wasn't a huge demand for the Extended Cut Ending....until we played ME3 and realized how much a pile of **** the ending was. If they had done it right in the first place, there would have been ZERO demand for it.

Pretty much this

Frankly, I find it absurd that any writer, proffessional or otherwise, would ever choose to end a Trilogy on a bunch of unanswered questions for the sake of fuelling "speculation".

How anyone could be surprised that the audience would reach the end and expect the plot threads to be wrapped up as much as possible (especially considering they've stated they don't plan to make any more games set after these events) is astounding; I can't think of a single example where "Leave them wondering what the hell just happened" worked out well in audience reaction.

Very poor, very amateur to be honest, writing.

[Jesusland]

Everything Bioware has done since the release has been public relations. And by definition, customer relations is lying. Damage control is lying.

[leapingmonkeys]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Disagreeing with your paying customers is a risky move for a business.

[Kanon777]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

No offense BSN, but you're starting to sound like a broken record.

Fixed for you

[Gemini1179]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

I have a question: Did the entire ME team support the endings? Cause there has got to have been some that didn't like it or felt uneasy with it.

You'll NEVER get a straight answer, or at least a reliable answer to this. Whenever I try and imagine the situation revolving around the creation of the ending, I see the scene in "Outbreak" where J.T. Walsh (God rest 'im) gives his great speech about there can be no lone hold outs, everyone has to agree to wiping out the town.

[Silpheed58]

ARE YOU SERIOUS BRO!!

[SolidisusSnake1]

I am serious and dont call me Shirley.

[Gemini1179]

Kanon777 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

No offense BSN, but you're starting to sound like a broken record.

Fixed for you

...eh, that's true too. How many ways can you ask for something and still get the run around? Kinda the definition of insanity when you think about it...

[Ibecomedeath]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

No, the real question is whether BioWare ever did listen to the fans on this issue...

From day one, various terms and defenses have been thrown around 'artisitc intregity' being one of the most hypocritical...

BioWare had already proven they were willing to change things to better tailor ME to the desires of fans, but when people start to arc up about the endings...

No!! The players are wrong, wrong, WRONG! Artistic Integrity! You have no right to ask for the ending BioWare promised as this is BioWare's vision, not the players!

I'm sure the majority of players want nothing more than :

A. And ending that actually makes sense and is consistent with the games' narrative.
B. An ending that actually does reflect our actions... And seriously, 100 points towards EMS for saving the Rachni, some 'massive repercussions' there...
C. Closure to an incredible saga that does not leave us wonder 'WTF was that crap!?'

If BioWare wanna keep the whole 3 colour laser show, so be it, just rewrite the final moments so it actually makes some sort of sense, especially the nonsense which StarKid dribbles to Shepard, as right now, it's a mess...

[Jack_Forest]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Well, if you still want my money you should at least partly satisfy my demands (that is do what I want).

[Narayan23]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

What's wrong with actually coming out of hiding and standing up for your vision?

Modifié par Narayan23, 13 avril 2012 - 12:05 .

[N7KnightSabre]

RockSW wrote...

its not possible that nobody in that office raised their hand and said "wtf are we doing?"

[legion999]

Kanon777 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

No offense BSN, but you're starting to sound like a broken record.

Fixed for you

BSN isn't a person....

Modifié par legion999, 13 avril 2012 - 12:03 .

[crimzontearz]

uhhh stanley if you start from the preconcept that you are NOT GOING to change the ending and the starbrat when the majority of feedback says that that is the main problem then you are de facto nlot taking the feedback into account but simply aknowledging its existence and moving on

[FatalX7.0]

Opsrbest wrote...

Whats with the ever increasing time delay? Are people on separate ME fields or something?

Different countries, different time zones, different people, different lives.

[Esquin]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Don't take this the wrong way Stanley. But that's a bad response. It's really not possible to totally dismiss the feedback of players and still claim to be listening. 

What should have been stated was the simple impossibility of changing the entire ending and that this was the best the team could really give us while still keeping the new ending dlc as a free download.

But please. Drop the whole "We're taking your feedback" attitude. If they were listening then this whole thing would have gone down very differently. If Chris and Mac were in touch with fans the ending as it stands would not exist. 

[Esquin]

Narayan23 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

What's wrong with actually coming out of hiding and standing up for your vision?

I'd wager it's because the majority of people who worked on the game know how bad the ending is and aren't willing to defend it that passionatly. Mac maybe. But that would be about it.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

I think there would be a lot less issue with this if information and respect towards our questioning wasn't so minimal.

I saw the panel at PAX and it just felt like a giant middle finger of "Hey we won't answer a single question you have so lets just talk about the Genophage for 40 minutes." I'm not trying to insult you bioware, I understand it's your game. But you never even mentioned artistic integrity or the choice to keep the ending until a full month after countless articles and people were telling you about your integrity.

I want to know why we hear about completely different information from various sources on Bioware. Why we hear about deleted plot lines and how the ending was singled out with the work of only 2 people.

If you can look me in the eye and prove to me that all the members of the team agreed on this ending. That there was NO outside force and that what Hudson and Mac did was on the general consensus of all the members of the writing staff. Then I will take my ending and go home and just accept this is what Bioware as a WHOLE wanted.

But I'm not convinced. as for the indoctrinated husk that is Our_Last_Scene. Yeah your picture suits you perfectly.

[FatalX7.0]

People talked about this exact ending two years ago, and just how bad it would be.

Good job.

[cutegigi]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

People that don't have jobs wont be able to understand you here. If you have a job you'll know this is possible and makes sense.

read the original statement in which stanley replying too.
a correct statement on its own can be a wrong answer when applied to wrong question.