I am so sick of the stupid PR crap they push in our direction... Blanket statements and media band aids are starting to become so predictable. I have not touched ME3 in the past couple of weeks and I really wanted to know the outcome of PAX. but now, I could really care less. It feels like no matter how much we kick and scream, in the end they "EA/ BW" are going to do what they want. Still... I can stand here and let them know, That I still disagree with them.
as for DLC, if it is interesting I will consider buying it, if not then I wont. As far as EA/BW is concerned.... they have broken my faith in them, so now ill treat them like all the other "big" game companies out there.
ARE THEY REALLY SERIOUS?
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#477
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 04:50
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Posts like these aren't really helping in restoring my hope in BioWare, quite the oposite accually.
#478
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 04:52
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Let's say they DO remake the ending, instead of elaborating on it.
What happens if enough of you STILL don't like it? Do we start over? Endless cycle with the Fanreapers harvesting the devs every time? How can you NOT see that the whole concept of remaking something because you don't like it is flawed? That no ending could ever satisfy everyone?
What happens if enough of you STILL don't like it? Do we start over? Endless cycle with the Fanreapers harvesting the devs every time? How can you NOT see that the whole concept of remaking something because you don't like it is flawed? That no ending could ever satisfy everyone?
#479
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 04:57
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Bronze65 wrote...
Drama queens.
You shouldn't say such things about Bioware.
#480
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 04:57
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Damn this thing grew quick... whats in what the Moderators say? Mutagen? insta- 2-minute-huge-thread?
Seriously though, first off, calm down, civil tongues and civil convo's, and can we please leave reporting mods behind and let it sort itself out?
On that note, I believe that the fundumental note of Woo's statement is true, it is POSSIBLE, arguable as it may be, its my belief, not fact.
That being said: it doesn't change the fact that its one of the most flat-out business damaging things to do in this situation.
Anything else I'd say has already been said. generally revolves about the outlook of, if you weren't going to do anything about the endings (as in FIX them, not EXPLAIN what is broken at a fundamental narrative level, seriously, read the threads, LISTEN.), then why did you even ask for feedback in the first place, much less why you keep saying you are 'listening', it all gets pretty hollow a statement if it counts for nothing in the end... that sounds familiar.
Seriously though, first off, calm down, civil tongues and civil convo's, and can we please leave reporting mods behind and let it sort itself out?
On that note, I believe that the fundumental note of Woo's statement is true, it is POSSIBLE, arguable as it may be, its my belief, not fact.
That being said: it doesn't change the fact that its one of the most flat-out business damaging things to do in this situation.
Anything else I'd say has already been said. generally revolves about the outlook of, if you weren't going to do anything about the endings (as in FIX them, not EXPLAIN what is broken at a fundamental narrative level, seriously, read the threads, LISTEN.), then why did you even ask for feedback in the first place, much less why you keep saying you are 'listening', it all gets pretty hollow a statement if it counts for nothing in the end... that sounds familiar.
#481
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:02
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Although, admittedly, I am a "Retaker"...I do have to say you guys did a good job with the ME series. Yeah, the ending fell way short of the mark...and I understand someone put a lot of work into it and hey, I recognise that.
For what it is worth, they did a good job of an ending...but the ending doesn't fit. I'm sure in the right situation/game, that ending would be epic.
That being said, since the ending doesn't fit...a lot of us fear adding to it won't change the underlying fact that the entire ending is off.
Simply adding content to the current ending is highly risky, especially if our choices are not reflected in the outcome (and if the ending doesn't fit with the series). Which is where a lot of us are extremely skeptical. In essence, how can you add content to an already broken ending and manage to fix it? It seems somewhat unlikely to the rest of us.
I know you guys are working, and I appreciate what you have all done so far. So do many others. We all hope the ending is finished in a way that we can all be at least ok with.
Also, don't forget that we love BioWare's work so far (aside for the DA2 issues and a few other problems). We wouldn't be here nagging you guys if we didn't love what you all come up with.
PS. Been playing BW games since the Forgotten Realms games (Baldur's Gate and the such). Hoping you guys don't lose touch with the epic writing that kept me smiling and enthralled.
For what it is worth, they did a good job of an ending...but the ending doesn't fit. I'm sure in the right situation/game, that ending would be epic.
That being said, since the ending doesn't fit...a lot of us fear adding to it won't change the underlying fact that the entire ending is off.
Simply adding content to the current ending is highly risky, especially if our choices are not reflected in the outcome (and if the ending doesn't fit with the series). Which is where a lot of us are extremely skeptical. In essence, how can you add content to an already broken ending and manage to fix it? It seems somewhat unlikely to the rest of us.
I know you guys are working, and I appreciate what you have all done so far. So do many others. We all hope the ending is finished in a way that we can all be at least ok with.
Also, don't forget that we love BioWare's work so far (aside for the DA2 issues and a few other problems). We wouldn't be here nagging you guys if we didn't love what you all come up with.
PS. Been playing BW games since the Forgotten Realms games (Baldur's Gate and the such). Hoping you guys don't lose touch with the epic writing that kept me smiling and enthralled.
Modifié par -PG-Skyre, 13 avril 2012 - 05:04 .
#482
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:09
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chmarr wrote...
there are more but it would take to long to list but these are just 3 of MANY MANY things that we are being told by biowares own staff in there tweets then yesterday 2 of the staff (i will not say who but everyone knows who they are) are actually play testing the finished "extended DLC" those tweets were then deleted so it seems it was made pretty fast, so fast we are now thinking this was all planned from the start.
Can someone else confirm this or Chmarr is just making stuff up?
#483
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:11
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-PG-Skyre wrote...
Although, admittedly, I am a "Retaker"...I do have to say you guys did a good job with the ME series. Yeah, the ending fell way short of the mark...and I understand someone put a lot of work into it and hey, I recognise that.
For what it is worth, they did a good job of an ending...but the ending doesn't fit. I'm sure in the right situation/game, that ending would be epic.
That being said, since the ending doesn't fit...a lot of us fear adding to it won't change the underlying fact that the entire ending is off.
Simply adding content to the current ending is highly risky, especially if our choices are not reflected in the outcome (and if the ending doesn't fit with the series). Which is where a lot of us are extremely skeptical. In essence, how can you add content to an already broken ending and manage to fix it? It seems somewhat unlikely to the rest of us.
I know you guys are working, and I appreciate what you have all done so far. So do many others. We all hope the ending is finished in a way that we can all be at least ok with.
Also, don't forget that we love BioWare's work so far (aside for the DA2 issues and a few other problems). We wouldn't be here nagging you guys if we didn't love what you all come up with.
PS. Been playing BW games since the Forgotten Realms games (Baldur's Gate and the such). Hoping you guys don't lose touch with the epic writing that kept me smiling and enthralled.
too tired to say what you said, this is about where I stand when I make sense. At this juncture, thanks for the reminder -PG-Skyre, Bioware, love your work, really do. Ending is the ending, everything else though? spot on.
Modifié par CJMissen, 13 avril 2012 - 05:13 .
#484
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:16
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Kanon777 wrote...
chmarr wrote...
there are more but it would take to long to list but these are just 3 of MANY MANY things that we are being told by biowares own staff in there tweets then yesterday 2 of the staff (i will not say who but everyone knows who they are) are actually play testing the finished "extended DLC" those tweets were then deleted so it seems it was made pretty fast, so fast we are now thinking this was all planned from the start.
Can someone else confirm this or Chmarr is just making stuff up?
Yes, clarification *gasp* please....
Did someone from BioWare tweet about already play testing extended cut DLC? What the heck....
#485
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:21
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J717 wrote...
Kanon777 wrote...
chmarr wrote...
there are more but it would take to long to list but these are just 3 of MANY MANY things that we are being told by biowares own staff in there tweets then yesterday 2 of the staff (i will not say who but everyone knows who they are) are actually play testing the finished "extended DLC" those tweets were then deleted so it seems it was made pretty fast, so fast we are now thinking this was all planned from the start.
Can someone else confirm this or Chmarr is just making stuff up?
Yes, clarification *gasp* please....
Did someone from BioWare tweet about already play testing extended cut DLC? What the heck....
I wouldnt be surprised if they started testing the incomplete parts of the EC DLC, but thats very diferent from saying that its already finished...
#486
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:25
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The Night Mammoth wrote...
Velocithon wrote...
Bioware: "Hey we're gonna put this, this, this, this, and even THIS into the game IT'LL BE GREAT!!!"
Fans: " OMG this is going to be so cool they're doing everything we want!!!"
*game is released*
Fans: "...dafuq nothing you said was in here..."
Bioware: "We didn't know there was such a demand for it"
Fans:
This is literally the perfect way to explain it.
Yup. I'd say saying "but we didn't know" or "didn't mean it that way" is absolutely just a cop-out. But at least they're working on it. I just hope they'll add the option that Destroy would not destroy the Geth and EDI at a high-enough EMS.
#487
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:25
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I am serious. And don't call me Shirley... wait.
Anyways, this thread has gone off the rails, tumbled down an embankment and spilled several thousand gallons of highly toxic material into the groundwater supply for the orphanage. So I'm locking it.
Anyways, this thread has gone off the rails, tumbled down an embankment and spilled several thousand gallons of highly toxic material into the groundwater supply for the orphanage. So I'm locking it.
