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[N7BLAZEOGLORE]

Surely you can't be serious?
Yes I am and don't call me Surely.

[Velocithon]

Bioware: "Hey we're gonna put this, this, this, this, and even THIS into the game IT'LL BE GREAT!!!"

Fans: " OMG this is going to be so cool they're doing everything we want!!!"

*game is released*

Fans: "...dafuq nothing you said was in here..."

Bioware: "We didn't know there was such a demand for it"

Fans:

[Eyeshield21]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

I have a question: Did the entire ME team support the endings? Cause there has got to have been some that didn't like it or felt uneasy with it.

Yeah I want to know the answer to this too! Because from what I heard the ending was the work of two men. My favorite writers of the team weren't even involved or had a say. Is that true?

Yeah hudson and walters worked on the end, whether the rest of the team thought it was a good ending or if some were uneasy, well that's why I'm asking woo.

[Zix13]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Forgetting to add an epilogue has nothing to do with deciding to listen to or ignore fan feedback. It's just something that happened for some unthinkable reason. 

Modifié par Zix13, 13 avril 2012 - 12:24 .

[DragonDax]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

People that don't have jobs wont be able to understand you here. If you have a job you'll know this is possible and makes sense.

Yet you are so enlightened as to categorize employed vs unemployed in this personal opinion of yours. I feel most people would feel priviledged to one finger salute that opinion.

Sadly, the days of the customer always being right have been superceded by companies that hear you and listen to you while laughing behind their hands at the gall of you actually thinking you should have a say about the product you purchased sight unseen.

History is laden w/ companies that have gone belly up embracing that business malpractice.

[Gemini1179]

N7BLAZEOGLORE wrote...

Surely you can't be serious?
Yes I am and don't call me Shirley.

I think that was the original intent. My favorite joke is still the 'drinking problem'.

[Clayless]

DragonDax wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

People that don't have jobs wont be able to understand you here. If you have a job you'll know this is possible and makes sense.

Yet you are so enlightened as to categorize employed vs unemployed in this personal opinion of yours. I feel most people would feel priviledged to one finger salute that opinion.

Good for them.

But it's a fact that what he said is possible, disagree with my analogy all you want.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

cutegigi wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

People that don't have jobs wont be able to understand you here. If you have a job you'll know this is possible and makes sense.

read the original statement in which stanley replying too.
a correct statement on its own can be a wrong answer when applied to wrong question.

Why are you even listening to Our_Last_Scene he's a husk you don't listen to them you shoot them down and hope they go away. 

But guys in all fairness lets leave Stanley Woo alone he's not going to have the answers for this question. That or EA is holding a gun to his head as he's typing this. LEAVE STANLEY ALONE! HE'S GOING THROUGH A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW! LEAVE HIM ALONE! :: JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE HE"S GOING THROUGH SO MUCH AND YOU DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE"S GOING THROUGH!

[The Night Mammoth]

Velocithon wrote...

Bioware: "Hey we're gonna put this, this, this, this, and even THIS into the game IT'LL BE GREAT!!!"

Fans: " OMG this is going to be so cool they're doing everything we want!!!"

*game is released*

Fans: "...dafuq nothing you said was in here..."

Bioware: "We didn't know there was such a demand for it"

Fans:

This is literally the perfect way to explain it. 

[AntonioA9011]

And while they're fixing the stupid ****ing endings, BioWare needs to get their lazy asses up and fix those stupid goddamn gaggle****s that they call "romance options". Dumb ass ****ing **** ****.

[AntonioA9011]

Zix13 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Forgetting to add an epilogue has nothing to do with deciding to listen to or ignore fan feedback. It's just something that happened for some unthinkable reason. 

Oh, don't you dare forget BioWare's motto nowadays: "We listen to our fans, it's just that we IGNORE them as well!" 

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

It's possible to disagree, but a lot of the issues people raised with the ending are extremely legitimate, and to say that you "completely disagree" with those legitimate points is... troubling, to say the least.

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 13 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[crappyjazzy]

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

So If person A asks person B to perform a task, and person B not only refuses, but also practically fail to acknowledge person A's request... That's listening according to the aforementioned logic?

Actually yes.  Have you ever been in management?  You have to do that all the time.  You have to make decisions and policies that affect all employees and if you're a good manager, you will ask for employee input and feedback.  It doesn't mean that you can make your decision incorporate all of it though.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Bioware is literally walking on eggshells with majority of the community. If they don't do anything and if and only if they do and it sucks either way say goodbye to majority of the fanbase including me. I'm hopeful Bioware will fix this, but I have already planned for a "what if" scenario.

[Johcande XX]

I believe Mr.Woo is simply confusing LISTENING with HEARING.

[Subguy614]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

People talked about this exact ending two years ago, and just how bad it would be.

Good job.

link please.

[Gemini1179]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...
But guys in all fairness lets leave Stanley Woo alone he's not going to have the answers for this question. That or EA is holding a gun to his head as he's typing this. LEAVE STANLEY ALONE! HE'S GOING THROUGH A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW! LEAVE HIM ALONE! :: JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE HE"S GOING THROUGH SO MUCH AND YOU DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE"S GOING THROUGH!

Honestly, as much as a pain as it would be for us forum users, I really don't think anyone with a BioWare tag should post on this forums short of doing their mod duty. Anyone who does will be expected to give an opinion or some information and those who really want discussion have their hands tied by their financial affiliation with BioWare/EA. Mr. Woo, in particular, is not helping their case, imo. He can't be transparent, so it just comes off as patronizing when he posts something other than shutting down a thread or a content warning.

Modifié par Gemini1179, 13 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[incinerator950]

Faded-Myth wrote...

I've reserved making heated remarks since the whole issue started, but I admit I'll be really disappointed if BioWare completely disagree with some of the basic problems that a vast number of people have with the ending. This isn't an issue that one or two people have, and I'm not even going to pretend that there isn't a lot of people out there who like the ending (which I have no problem with). But I know a few dozen people, all of them friends and co-workers and a couple bare aquaintences, and none of them like the ending. And the reasoning is pretty universal: it feels rushed and out of place, and the writing isn't up to the same standard as the rest of the entire trilogy. If BioWare disagree with this, as an artist that kind of rankles me. If I made something that was ill-received by a large number (even if it wasn't universal) I'd be open to acknowledging that there was something wrong with my work.

I accept and enjoy the ending, but you're right, it is rushed.  

[ahandsomeshark]

Sparse wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening.

But saying that you didn't know what your customers thought??

That isn't the same thing.

this. The response really has nothing to do with the quote.

[Otaku Hanzo]

Ah yes. The straw that broke my camels back finally. Yes, he was serious. And, yes, it upset me as well. Dumbest PR thing anyone could have said.

[Narayan23]

crappyjazzy wrote...

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

So If person A asks person B to perform a task, and person B not only refuses, but also practically fail to acknowledge person A's request... That's listening according to the aforementioned logic?

Actually yes.  Have you ever been in management?  You have to do that all the time.  You have to make decisions and policies that affect all employees and if you're a good manager, you will ask for employee input and feedback.  It doesn't mean that you can make your decision incorporate all of it though.

You are aware  of change management right.
A managerial field that deals with people not being enthousiastic with changes in policy but making them enthousiastic about it anyway

[EvilChani]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Bioware: "Hey we're gonna put this, this, this, this, and even THIS into the game IT'LL BE GREAT!!!"

Fans: " OMG this is going to be so cool they're doing everything we want!!!"

*game is released*

Fans: "...dafuq nothing you said was in here..."

Bioware: "We didn't know there was such a demand for it"

Fans:

This is literally the perfect way to explain it. 

Agreed. And then they have the gall to act like the fans are somehow out of line by complaining. If ME3 were anything other than a game, BioWare would be slapped with a lawsuit for flat out fraud so fast it'd make their heads spin. But, since it's a game, they can sit there laughing at us (while they hold our cash) and calling us childish for not respecting the fact that what we paid for was not what was promised to us. The list of their lies about this game is very long, and their dismissive attitude toward the customers who aren't kissing their ass is grating. Newsflash, BioWare...you aren't paying us to play your damned game. We paid you for something and you didn't deliver, and some of us aren't going to forget it. 

[Zix13]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Bioware: "Hey we're gonna put this, this, this, this, and even THIS into the game IT'LL BE GREAT!!!"

Fans: " OMG this is going to be so cool they're doing everything we want!!!"

*game is released*

Fans: "...dafuq nothing you said was in here..."

Bioware: "We didn't know there was such a demand for it"

Fans:

This is literally the perfect way to explain it. 

Lol. Pretty much. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

Not doing what you promised to do is different then not doing what we ask you to do.  And all we asked you to do was what you promised to do anyways. 

[IanPolaris]

crappyjazzy wrote...

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not doing what you want us to do, and not agreeing with our decisions, does not mean we have stopped listening. It is possible to completely disagree with you while still taking your feedback into account.

So If person A asks person B to perform a task, and person B not only refuses, but also practically fail to acknowledge person A's request... That's listening according to the aforementioned logic?

Actually yes.  Have you ever been in management?  You have to do that all the time.  You have to make decisions and policies that affect all employees and if you're a good manager, you will ask for employee input and feedback.  It doesn't mean that you can make your decision incorporate all of it though.

Sure but a good manager is also responsive.  A good manager will take the extra time (and it doesn't take much) to let you know that your input was heard and your wishes were accounted for...not just for you individually but by extended series of actions for the entire group.  That doesn't mean giving everyone what they want and indeed often (usually) doesn't, but it ALSO doesn't mean going into PR Turtle-mode (as IMHO Bioware has done) when things get dicey.  A good manager is a GOOD communicator and right now Bioware has shown anything but good communication IMHO.

-Polaris