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[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

"While exact sales numbers have not been made publicly available, NPD analyst Anita Frazier notes that "Mass Effect 3 sold more than twice as much as did Mass Effect 2 during its introductory month in January 2010." Back then, EA revealed that Mass Effect 2 sold more than two million copies in its first week, meaning at least four million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold-in to retailers (though sold-through numbers to consumers have yet to be announced)."

Am I missing something? Why do we care about sold-in numbers? Who cares how many copies were shipped to retailers?

I want sold-through numbers. I want to know how many were sold to customers.

Nice try. Every peice of data which lists numbers for overall sales shows that the title is selling extremely well.

Even the NPD on the report is only using USA figures not including digital or UK, Europe or Asia. Which states 1.14 million for USA alone, it is not far fetched to double that when include the rest of the world sales. Your trying to distract the arguement to sold in vs sold through does you no credit and people are not foolish enough to fall for your tactic of dismissing all reports which states the title is selling very well.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

NPD said ME3 has doubled what ME2 sold over same period. Also NPD only uses USA and does not include either UK and Europe or digital sales in that figure. You should know this if read it that is USA only data. I corrected your reply to reflect the truth incase your trying to mislead.

NPD only revealed the number shipped to retailers, not sold to customers, right?

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

NPD said ME3 has doubled what ME2 sold over same period. Also NPD only uses USA and does not include either UK and Europe or digital sales in that figure. You should know this if read it that is USA only data. I corrected your reply to reflect the truth incase your trying to mislead.

NPD only revealed the number shipped to retailers, not sold to customers, right?

It's more data than you have to counter it. your grasping at straws as you have done all the time trying to discredit the fact the title is selling incredibly well because it goes against your agenda of if selling badly then you have ammunition to force then to accept your demands for new endings. See my above reply to yours. It is the same tactic you used in my thread and the same one you used in the other. It does not work.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nice try. Every peice of data which lists numbers for overall sales shows that the title is selling extremely well.

So, you would be happy if NPD showed that 18 million were shipped to retailers even though they didn't actually sell them to customers?

[AJRimmsey]

Dont forget people..

pre orders sold out pre release and needed restocking

and stores also ran out and needed restocking,with both standard AND Ce`s

so numbers when released will be very nice for shareholders.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nice try. Every peice of data which lists numbers for overall sales shows that the title is selling extremely well.

So, you would be happy if NPD showed that 18 million were shipped to retailers even though they didn't actually sell them to customers?

I'm not going to take your bait, the fact is the game is selling incredibly well despite your best efforts to damage the sales. Now your trying to rely on semantics and diversion/deflection just like you tried to do with stock reports and failed, just like you tried to do with specific retailer prices and failed and just like your trying to do here with sold in vs sold through. 

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Dont forget people..

pre orders sold out pre release and needed restocking

and stores also ran out and needed restocking,with both standard AND Ce`s

so numbers when released will be very nice for shareholders.

Pre-orders show people expected the game to be good. It's a different story now.

[WarWolf7]

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

[Calbeb]

Mass Effect 3 is doubtlessly going to be profitable for Bioware. It will also have the impact of this fan reaction, which is going ot make it LESS profitable in the long run. That's not even an indictment of the game, as most of the people who won't be spending are likely the people who will be the least bothered by the ending.

With that said, the good thing is that Bioware will doubtlessly be more careful with future products to not create this level of volatility. At the same time, expect them to be less open to talking to the community in the future.

[Dragoonlordz]

WarWolf7 wrote...

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

Both use sample data based on set number of retailers. Both show huge sales for the title in the first month and both say it is selling incredible well much to the disappointment of those who hate the ending and wish it to suffer so that they can have some ammunition against Bioware.

[MrDbow]

If the PS3 numbers are true, that is actually a pretty good number in my opinion. I am actually surprised PC numbers were not a bit more (I was thinking closer to between 600k and 700k). Xbox numbers were to be expected and did very well.

What will be interesting though will be April numbers and on. What kind of effect (if any) has any potential negative press ME3 has gotten (from ending discussion or face import issues). Overall, though, it is a good number.

EDIT: Actually PC numbers should be about right because they do not take into account Digital Downloads (Origin).  And also for PS3 users, you could purchase ME3 entirely on PSN, so I am guessing those PS3 numbers do not show digital downloads as well.

Modifié par SimplyNeo, 13 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[Calbeb]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

WarWolf7 wrote...

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

Both use sample data based on set number of retailers. Both show huge sales for the title in the first month and both say it is selling incredible well much to the disappointment of those who hate the ending and wish it to suffer so that they can have some ammunition against Bioware.

QFT

[kbct]

WarWolf7 wrote...

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

Have you seen this article?

http://www.gamasutra...php?story=18919

It says in the article that VGChartz sales data can retroactively change by 100% or more. Bits of sales data comes from retailers and then they estimate the total sales. The methodology to estmate the sales can change dramatically which in turn can dramatically change the sales estimates.

In addition, VGChartz says there is zero actual data for the entire European market. That means it's pure extrapolation. What does that mean for the rest of the world? At least the North America has the NPD Group which uses actual sales data. VGChartz have dramatically changed their sales estimates when it conflicts with NPD Group data.

Here is one of the comments below the article:

"I work at a Videogame publisher and we definitely trust NPD more. Most people think NPD tends to under-report by at least 10% because their multiplier for Wal-Mart has a tendency to be off at the SKU level. VGChartz, on the other hand, is often referred to at the "Dirty Data" and people joke that the "data doesn't care where it came from."

I would like to see confirming evidence from other sources. NPD data would be great, however I want to see actual sales, not shipped units to retailers.

Modifié par kbct, 13 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[Dragoonlordz]

SimplyNeo wrote...

If the PS3 numbers are true, that is actually a pretty good number in my opinion. I am actually surprised PC numbers were not a bit more (I was thinking closer to between 600k and 700k). Xbox numbers were to be expected and did very well.

What will be interesting though will be April numbers and on. What kind of effect (if any) has any potential negative press ME3 has gotten (from ending discussion or face import issues). Overall, though, it is a good number.

Ironically I think these negative attempts by those who hate the ending are actually increasing sales. It is keeping the title in the news and keeping peoples interest and potentially making them thinking about buying to find out. This is a guess but given all data sources dealing with sales numbers points to sales being incredibly high for the title compared to previous titles and continuing to sell very well I do find this to be a possiblity.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[MrDbow]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SimplyNeo wrote...

If the PS3 numbers are true, that is actually a pretty good number in my opinion. I am actually surprised PC numbers were not a bit more (I was thinking closer to between 600k and 700k). Xbox numbers were to be expected and did very well.

What will be interesting though will be April numbers and on. What kind of effect (if any) has any potential negative press ME3 has gotten (from ending discussion or face import issues). Overall, though, it is a good number.

Ironically I think these negative attempts by those who hate the ending are actually increasing sales. It is keeping the title in the news and keeping peoples interest and potentially making them thinking about buying to find out. This is a guess but given all data sources dealing with sales numbers points to sales being incredibly high for the title compared to previous titles and continuing to sell very well I do find this to be a possiblity.

I am leaning toward that thinking as well, just based on casual conversations with friends (or strangers for that matter) who have not played the game.  They seem to hear only about how "horrible" the ending is and they ... want to find out for themselves.

[kbct]

Calbeb wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

WarWolf7 wrote...

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

Both use sample data based on set number of retailers. Both show huge sales for the title in the first month and both say it is selling incredible well much to the disappointment of those who hate the ending and wish it to suffer so that they can have some ammunition against Bioware.

QFT

NPD is the best source in North America. However, I don't understand why people want to see the number shipped to the retailers instead of the number sold to customers.

You do realize European sales numbers are extrapolated?

We need to see actual sales from EA.

Modifié par kbct, 13 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[Calbeb]

kbct wrote...

Calbeb wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

WarWolf7 wrote...

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

Both use sample data based on set number of retailers. Both show huge sales for the title in the first month and both say it is selling incredible well much to the disappointment of those who hate the ending and wish it to suffer so that they can have some ammunition against Bioware.

QFT

NPD is the best source in North America. However, I don't understand why people want to see the number shipped to the retailers instead of the number sold to customers.

You do realize European sales numbers are extrapolated?

We need to see actual sales from EA.

I'm very interested in seeing them as well. We should have that info in early May.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Calbeb wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

WarWolf7 wrote...

VGChartz has ME3 360 version at 1.4M sales for US alone, Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg says 943k sold on 360. Quite the difference.

Both use sample data based on set number of retailers. Both show huge sales for the title in the first month and both say it is selling incredible well much to the disappointment of those who hate the ending and wish it to suffer so that they can have some ammunition against Bioware.

QFT

NPD is the best source in North America. However, I don't understand why people want to see the number shipped to the retailers instead of the number sold to customers.

You do realize European sales numbers are extrapolated?

We need to see actual sales from EA.

We are going by what exists here and now not what might be shown in future. What is shown right now states on all sources whether NPD, MVC or VGC that the game is doing amazingly well and beating all previous titles by vast amounts in comparrison. You can wait till have what you want but at this time all data available shows the title is huge success financially with regard to sales numbers.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[Il Divo]

If true, this is interesting. It makes Bioware's quick response on the ME3 endings even more surprising then.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

We are going by what exists here and now not what might be shown in future. What is shown right now states on all sources whether NPD, MVC or VGC that the game is doing amazingly well and beating all previous titles by vast amounts in comparrison. You can wait till have what you want but at this time all data available shows the title is huge success financially with regard to sales numbers.

The sales figures we see are estimates from VGChartz who have been known to wildy revise their estimates. 

We don't know how many units have been sold, how many they need to sell to breakeven, how many units have been returned, or how the discounting will affect the profit margin.

The biggest problem is assuming ME3 needs to sell the same amount of units as ME2 to breakeven and start making a profit. I highly doubt that is the case here.

[Calbeb]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

We are going by what exists here and now not what might be shown in future. What is shown right now states on all sources whether NPD, MVC or VGC that the game is doing amazingly well and beating all previous titles by vast amounts in comparrison. You can wait till have what you want but at this time all data available shows the title is huge success financially with regard to sales numbers.

The sales figures we see are estimates from VGChartz who have been known to wildy revise their estimates. 

We don't know how many units have been sold, how many they need to sell to breakeven, how many units have been returned, or how the discounting will affect the profit margin.

The biggest problem is assuming ME3 needs to sell the same amount of units as ME2 to breakeven and start making a profit. I highly doubt that is the case here.

Which way do you think it has to go? I think ME 3 would probably need to sell LESS overall. Both had huge marketing blitzes, but ME2 had a complete engine rewrite and an extra year of development with the same sized team.

[Dragoonlordz]

Il Divo wrote...

If true, this is interesting. It makes Bioware's quick response on the ME3 endings even more surprising then.

They are not heartless and mean. They would still take feedback and try to address concerns whether sales are good or bad. If anything it adds to the belief sales are very good if they can afford to give such away free and also adds validity to the element of it's selling so well that they do not have to compromise their creation outside what they feel they want or choose to do.

[iDeevil]

SimplyNeo wrote...

If the PS3 numbers are true, that is actually a pretty good number in my opinion. I am actually surprised PC numbers were not a bit more (I was thinking closer to between 600k and 700k). Xbox numbers were to be expected and did very well.

What will be interesting though will be April numbers and on. What kind of effect (if any) has any potential negative press ME3 has gotten (from ending discussion or face import issues). Overall, though, it is a good number.

EDIT: Actually PC numbers should be about right because they do not take into account Digital Downloads (Origin).  And also for PS3 users, you could purchase ME3 entirely on PSN, so I am guessing those PS3 numbers do not show digital downloads as well.

By this point the hardcore fans which would, potentially, be affected by these issues already own the game.  This kind of press for those who are playing for fun aren't going to make a huge difference.  What would make a difference s clithese and the like.

Also, many review sites that people check actually have favourable reviews of the game so...

[Calbeb]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

If true, this is interesting. It makes Bioware's quick response on the ME3 endings even more surprising then.

They are not heartless and mean. They would still take feedback and try to address concerns whether sales are good or bad. If anything it adds to the belief sales are very good if they can afford to give such away free and also adds validity to the element of it's selling so well that they do not have to compromise their creation outside what they feel they want or choose to do.

^This. I find it bothersome considering Bioware's history of trying to address feedback and provide good experience to their fans that dissatisfaction with the finale had lead to the belief that we have to HURT the company to get them to listen.

I actually do think if fans were vocal, but hadn't actually made a point of trying to damge the company and sales that they would have responded to the fan complaints.

I know some people will take that as me being naive, but Bioware actually has a reputation for that (and I know that a lot of that is pre-EA).

[Dragoonlordz]

Calbeb wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

We are going by what exists here and now not what might be shown in future. What is shown right now states on all sources whether NPD, MVC or VGC that the game is doing amazingly well and beating all previous titles by vast amounts in comparrison. You can wait till have what you want but at this time all data available shows the title is huge success financially with regard to sales numbers.

The sales figures we see are estimates from VGChartz who have been known to wildy revise their estimates. 

We don't know how many units have been sold, how many they need to sell to breakeven, how many units have been returned, or how the discounting will affect the profit margin.

The biggest problem is assuming ME3 needs to sell the same amount of units as ME2 to breakeven and start making a profit. I highly doubt that is the case here.

Which way do you think it has to go? I think ME 3 would probably need to sell LESS overall. Both had huge marketing blitzes, but ME2 had a complete engine rewrite and an extra year of development with the same sized team.

Don't pay too much heed to his tactics, he tried them all before. From returns, EA stock, sold in vs sold through, specific retailer prices and more in order to dismiss the fact the game is selling very well. If he wishes to wait till EA says how many sold specifically then thats fair enough but the rest is merely tactic to dismiss all current data showing the game is selling well. In fact I think the only reason Bioware aren't shouting from the hill tops how well it is selling is to not hurt the feelings of those who are upset because Bioware are not big evil meanies that some would make them out to be.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 04:05 .