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[kbct]

LinksOcarina wrote...

That said, I doubt it will hit the goal of 7 million as EA had hoped, At best it will probably reach 4 million by December if they are lucky.

Where did they say the goal was 7 million?

[Lee T]

I don't care much about the sales, my own experience is what matters to me (which is me wondering about which is the worst between DA2 and ME3).

However, Bioware do make (or made depending on the point of view) a unique kind of games which I enjoy. I do not wish for Bioware to go belly up as that would mean less diversity in the gaming world and less opportunity for gems like ME or DAO to ever appear again one day.

[LinksOcarina]

kbct wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

That said, I doubt it will hit the goal of 7 million as EA had hoped, At best it will probably reach 4 million by December if they are lucky.

Where did they say the goal was 7 million?

A lot of the early PR stuff talked about how they wanted to match the sales of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 combined (which is around 7 million copies, most of which is from Mass Effect 2) with Mass Effect 3. I could also be totally wrong, but I do know they were looking for a major hit.

I still think they are going to get it, just not in the amount they imagined.

[Cainne Chapel]

Well i Would imagine 2+ million in the first month is a tremendous success, especially considering its doing better than its previous 2 iterations at the same measuring point.

As good as ME3 is though a 7 million projection does seem a tad... HIGH. especially considering the type of game we're talking about here.

I mean heck they MAY hit it, but even to me that seems a bit lofty.

[Jeric]

Um, I think the response from EA/Bioware says more about how ME3 is doing then any of these numbers. EA is about making money, plain and simple. I don't care if 10 million sold in the first day, do you really think EA would be releasing 2 FREE dlc so soon after release if everything was going as well as projected? I could be wrong but I don't remember any ME dlc being free.

I don't know of any company, especially those focused on making money, that would spend time/resources/effort in giving things out free. Even the free SWTOR weekend seemed a little too coincidental. If the vast majority were satisfied customers, they would “bag” the free EC DLC and move onto the next $10 addition to the series.
Anyway, I’ve always loved Bioware products (inc. DA2) but something is causing issues with the company regardless of sales numbers.  I hope it all gets fixed so they can focus on the next biggest thing.
 

[Wise Men]

Calbeb wrote...

Based on the NPD numbers, it looks like Mass Effect 3 actually sold really well. Not only did it top the charts for the month, but it supposedly sold twice as much as ME2 in it's first month. This actually places the sales much higher than expected.

http://games.ign.com.../1222926p1.html
http://www.joystiq.c...r-decline-cont/
http://venturebeat.c...-mass-effect-3/

Of course it sold really well.  It was one of the most anticipated games of 2012.  I'm not sure why you thought that it wouldn't sell as well as it did.

[ognick23]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I ballparked it at 3.5 ages ago. With the ammount of effort EA put in to advertising you would have to be an idiot to think it would not sell ,period. It also rode on the back of ME2 which was a very solid game liked by most of the people who bought it.

However the fly in the ointment here. The game is selling at firesale prices in a lot of places. That's something the NPD figures don't reflect.

From £37.99 on release to £23.95 19 days later.

It also brings into question longer term sales/profits when retailers can't sell the game for full price after less than a month. Just for comparison Skyrim sold 3.4 million in 2 days and still retails higher than ME3 at Amazon (and most other places).

i never understand why people use Skyrim and COD to compare sales to ME3 because wether you loved ME3 or not Mass Effect just doesnt have the same fanbase that those two games have, those franchises have been out since before Mass Effect was even thought of. Thats like trying to compare Drake's album sales to Jay-z's

[ognick23]

Melancholic wrote...

Where did the notion that retake wants the game to sell poorly come from? I'm pretty sure we're doing this because we love Mass Effect, not because we want to see it burn.

Besides, if the game flopped BioWare would just abandon it instead of bothering to fix it's problems. More sold copies, on the other hand, means more people experience the ending, which means more retakers.

your one of the sincere guys who dont like the ending so i respect it, but u must not have been here lately because most people who dont like the ending (around here at least)have all but come out and say "i wanna see Bioware burn' and even some HAVE said that

[Akrim_Drak]

It's pretty obvious the first month would be big on sales. Even from someone who hated the nonsense ending I agree with that. The problem EA/Bioware are going to have now is selling DLC and Bioware's NEXT game. Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional. However, all the bad press, lies/nonsense PR and the ending WILL affect DLC sales and whatever Bioware's doing next. Probably C&C or DA3, and maybe even subscriptions to The Old Republic. (of course that game has a lot of problems on it's own so it'd be hard to tell if it's the tarnished brand or just the game's own problems that affect that)

I'm sure GameStop is making mad money off it though, from the retail sales and now all the returns.They get to sell the game twice! Once for like 30% profit(ish) and once again for full profit!

[AkiKishi]

ognick23 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I ballparked it at 3.5 ages ago. With the ammount of effort EA put in to advertising you would have to be an idiot to think it would not sell ,period. It also rode on the back of ME2 which was a very solid game liked by most of the people who bought it.

However the fly in the ointment here. The game is selling at firesale prices in a lot of places. That's something the NPD figures don't reflect.

From £37.99 on release to £23.95 19 days later.

It also brings into question longer term sales/profits when retailers can't sell the game for full price after less than a month. Just for comparison Skyrim sold 3.4 million in 2 days and still retails higher than ME3 at Amazon (and most other places).

i never understand why people use Skyrim and COD to compare sales to ME3 because wether you loved ME3 or not Mass Effect just doesnt have the same fanbase that those two games have, those franchises have been out since before Mass Effect was even thought of. Thats like trying to compare Drake's album sales to Jay-z's

Because that was what EA was trying to emulate sales wise.

It's not like you can measure the sales of a AAA game against the sales of a non AAA game.

[AkiKishi]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

It's pretty obvious the first month would be big on sales. Even from someone who hated the nonsense ending I agree with that. The problem EA/Bioware are going to have now is selling DLC and Bioware's NEXT game. Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional. However, all the bad press, lies/nonsense PR and the ending WILL affect DLC sales and whatever Bioware's doing next. Probably C&C or DA3, and maybe even subscriptions to The Old Republic. (of course that game has a lot of problems on it's own so it'd be hard to tell if it's the tarnished brand or just the game's own problems that affect that)

I'm sure GameStop is making mad money off it though, from the retail sales and now all the returns.They get to sell the game twice! Once for like 30% profit(ish) and once again for full profit!

They will sell what they shipped even if it means retailers knocking the price down within a month. But it's unlikely they will sell much more than that for the same reason.

[kbct]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

[AkiKishi]

kbct wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

It sold well for a Bioware game.. But considering the ammount that went into marketing the thing. Space launch anyone ? It did not meet expectation or anything close I should imagine. It's not going 6-8 million and a lot of those sales are at reduced price and we don't know what sort of dealing has gone on between EA and suppliers.

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

It sold well for a Bioware game.. But considering the ammount that went into marketing the thing. Space launch anyone ? It did not meet expectation or anything close I should imagine. It's not going 6-8 million and a lot of those sales are at reduced price and we don't know what sort of dealing has gone on between EA and suppliers.

Yes, ME3 is the best-selling BioWare game. And if you ONLY look at sales estimates and assume all other variables are constant then we can state the game sold well.

However, if we assume adding multiplayer increased production costs. If we assume a six month delay increased production costs. If we assume increased adverstising increased production costs. If we assume for any reason that production costs were higher, we know ME3 has to sell more units to breakeven.

Unfortunately, a number of variables affect profit. Only looking at estimated VGChartz sales data is foolish - especially when we have counter-evidence that it is overestimated.

Modifié par kbct, 13 avril 2012 - 04:09 .

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

The speculation on high sales is vasly more valid than your prediction of low sales. You have no data listing any estimates of overall sales to counter the fact all of the ones that track sales are showing high sales.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

It sold well for a Bioware game.. But considering the ammount that went into marketing the thing. Space launch anyone ? It did not meet expectation or anything close I should imagine. It's not going 6-8 million and a lot of those sales are at reduced price and we don't know what sort of dealing has gone on between EA and suppliers.

Yes, ME3 is the best-selling BioWare game. And if you ONLY look at sales estimates and assume all other variables are constant then we can state the game sold well.

However, if we assume adding multiplayer increased production costs. If we assume a six month delay increased production costs. If we assume increased adverstising increased production costs. If we assume for any reason that production costs were higher, we know ME3 has to sell more units to breakeven.

Unfortunately, a number of variables affect profit. Only looking at estimated VGChartz sales data is foolish - especially when we have counter-evidence that it is overestimated.

You keep making assumptions that cost vastly more to make when you have no proof of such. For someone who dislikes speculation you seem to do an awful lot of it. All data shows potentially best sales of one of their products to date in such small time frame, there is no evidence outside some retailers lowering prices that can counter the fact all of the ones who track sales data show it selling extremely well. As said both you and bob are grasping at straws right now.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Akrim_Drak]

kbct wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

I'll give you that, if the target was 7 mill. We'll find out when the EA shareholders reports come out, does their year end happen in March like most businesses? If so we should know soon enough. You also have to add in the From Ashes DLC to the sales too since I'm sure almost all of those sales were made on day 1 or near it too. I'm sure a LOT of people fell for it.(Knowing the ending I can see why they did it day one instead of delay it a few months, it'd have sold a whooole lot less.)

We might find out the Origin sales from the stock report or not, and the DLC too, but that's all up in the air. My point was that of course the game would sell well the first month regardless, so anyone who says(on either side) that it's a success or failure has an invalid argument. We'll know in the next few months for sure!

[Dragoonlordz]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

I'll give you that, if the target was 7 mill. We'll find out when the EA shareholders reports come out, does their year end happen in March like most businesses? If so we should know soon enough. You also have to add in the From Ashes DLC to the sales too since I'm sure almost all of those sales were made on day 1 or near it too. I'm sure a LOT of people fell for it.(Knowing the ending I can see why they did it day one instead of delay it a few months, it'd have sold a whooole lot less.)

We might find out the Origin sales from the stock report or not, and the DLC too, but that's all up in the air. My point was that of course the game would sell well the first month regardless, so anyone who says(on either side) that it's a success or failure has an invalid argument. We'll know in the next few months for sure!

It is not an invalid at all. The first week or so is when people started moaning and whining and started their hate campaigns and tactics for change. Review bombing and ranting on these forums and all sites trying to damage sales. The fact is all data shows it had little to no effect for the follow three weeks or more, if anything their ranting has probably boosted sales due to keeping the title in the light and sparking peoples interest and curiosity.

Pre-orders would of been filled during the first week, and the drop in sales would be much sharper in the data if your assumption was right that the nay sayers had affected it, the reality is and all data shows from all places that track actual sales it actually sold amazingly well and still selling very well, more than either of previous titles in the franchise to date in like for like comparrison. You cannot dismiss this reality just because you might not like the ending or have an agenda to damage sales in order to use it as ammunition against Bioware.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The speculation on high sales is vasly more valid than your prediction of low sales. You have no data listing any estimates of overall sales to counter the fact all of the ones that track sales are showing high sales.

So, do you believe the higher VGChartz number or the lower MSFT number for US Xbox sales in March?

I tend to believe Microsoft's since they make the Xbox.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You keep making assumptions that cost vastly more to make when you have no proof of such.

I have common sense though. Adding multiplayer, delaying the release date, and the additional advertising are not money saving strategies.

Do you agree?

[accessd]

Kanner wrote...

It... was the most anticipated game of the year?

And it sold well?

How does that even work?!

This

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The speculation on high sales is vasly more valid than your prediction of low sales. You have no data listing any estimates of overall sales to counter the fact all of the ones that track sales are showing high sales.

So, do you believe the higher VGChartz number or the lower MSFT number for US Xbox sales in March?

I tend to believe Microsoft's since they make the Xbox.

Your trying to deflect again. All sources show the game sold very well and continues to do so from VGC to NPD and MVC. Plus any others you care to find which tracks sales, they all show it contrary to what you desire to see. I do not care if you have a beef or problem with VGC, it is one tool of many to gauge sales and the one thing has in common with all the rest is it showing very high sales. Like I said earlier to you by all means it is fair and reasonable to wait for actual sales information to be given by EA when do so but until that time the fact remains all sources which track overall sales show it is selling extremely well for the time being.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You keep making assumptions that cost vastly more to make when you have no proof of such.

I have common sense though. Adding multiplayer, delaying the release date, and the additional advertising are not money saving strategies.

Do you agree?

I have no intention of randomly guessing how much they spent.

[AkiKishi]

kbct wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Anyone who says ME3 sold poorly is just delusional.

Everyone is looking at sales ESTIMATES from VGChartz. We just looked at Microsoft data and determined VGChartz overestimated Xbox sales by 20% in the United States. Or Microsoft underestimated the data by 20%. Or perhaps both are wrong

Global sales could be anywhere between 2.5 million and 3.5 milion. That's a huge range if you assume the Microsoft data applies to world sales as well.

If the target sales amount is 7 million (or even close to that) and they sold 2.5 million so far (or even 3.5 million), ME3 sold poorly compared to expectations.

Lots of speculation, huh?

It sold well for a Bioware game.. But considering the ammount that went into marketing the thing. Space launch anyone ? It did not meet expectation or anything close I should imagine. It's not going 6-8 million and a lot of those sales are at reduced price and we don't know what sort of dealing has gone on between EA and suppliers.

Yes, ME3 is the best-selling BioWare game. And if you ONLY look at sales estimates and assume all other variables are constant then we can state the game sold well.

However, if we assume adding multiplayer increased production costs. If we assume a six month delay increased production costs. If we assume increased adverstising increased production costs. If we assume for any reason that production costs were higher, we know ME3 has to sell more units to breakeven.

Unfortunately, a number of variables affect profit. Only looking at estimated VGChartz sales data is foolish - especially when we have counter-evidence that it is overestimated.

Is it ? DA:O still has more units sold as of now. Fastest selling , sure.