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[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your trying to deflect from the topic at hand, NPD data shows it is selling well.

No it doesn't. NPD data shows ME3 shipped 4 million units. A major indicator on the performance of a item is the ratio of units sold to units shipped.

You are looking at the denominator. We want the numerator.

[thunderhawk862002]

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It does not mean they spent more than previous titles just because one element might cost more.

Your trying to deflect from the topic at hand, NPD data shows it is selling well.

Economics 101. Unless the game was cheaper to make and market than ME2 they spent more.

Unit sale price on the other hand has not changed between ME2 and ME3. They need to sell more to generate the same revenue they did with ME2 because of inflation.

Well is a matter of scale. Well compared to what exactly ? AAA games need to sell lots because they cost lots to make.

Bolded and underlined for you.

Welcome to reality just unit numbers mean zip.

The reality is no matter what your agenda is in trying to shoot down all good news in order to further your goals of painting bleak picture for Bioware unless cave into the demands of those upset by the ending the reality shows that the title is selling well. All data sources show this from VGC, MVC, NPD and more. You can try to deflect and distract people from this all you want but it does not change that fact all data shows it is good news for Bioware and good news for those of us who are not suffering from depression or hurt feelings over the last 10 minutes of the game.

It shows (so far) the attempts of those trying to damage Biowares sales is not working and in reality probably is increasing their sales due to the methods the ones who hate the ending are using. Their reliance on seeking validation through media sources which is also keeping the title well known and makes people interested to see what all the fuss is about. Prompting possible additional sales.

You can huff and you can puff, you can try to spread misinformation or argue semantics even try to dismiss and deflect from the data present but the reality of it is sales appear to be very good.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 05:58 .

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It does not mean they spent more than previous titles just because one element might cost more.

Your trying to deflect from the topic at hand, NPD data shows it is selling well.

Economics 101. Unless the game was cheaper to make and market than ME2 they spent more.

Unit sale price on the other hand has not changed between ME2 and ME3. They need to sell more to generate the same revenue they did with ME2 because of inflation.

Well is a matter of scale. Well compared to what exactly ? AAA games need to sell lots because they cost lots to make.

Bolded and underlined for you.

Welcome to reality just unit numbers mean zip.

The reality is no matter what your agenda is in trying to shoot down all good news in order to further yourgoals of painting bleak picture for Biowar eunless cave into the demands of those upset by the ending the reality shows that the title is selling well. All data sources show this from VGC, MVC, NPD and more. You can try to deflect and istract people from this all you want but it does not change that fact all data shows

it is good news for Bioware and god news for those of us who are not suffering from depression or hurt feelings over the last 10 minutes of the game. It shows (so far) the attempts of those trying to damage Biowares sales is not working and in reality probably is increasing their sales due to the methods the ones who hate the ending are using. Their reliance on seeking validation through media sources which is also keeping the title well known and makes people interested to see what all the fuss is about. Prompting possible additional sales.

You can huff and you can puff, you can try to spread misinformation or argue semantics even try to dismiss and deflect from the data present but the reality of it is sales appear to be very good.

What misinformation ? Did I make up inflation ? 

Why do you think those numbers are good ? Is it because you are completely unaware of how many units other AAA titles have sold ? Even on 1 platform?

Are you seriously trying to dismiss inflation as semantics?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 13 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[vertigo72]

Ha, I did a little very approximate calculation here. Let's say it sold 1 million on PC, so:

1'000'000 x $50 = $50'000'000. 30% of that is $15'000'000.

U mad Gabe? lol

Modifié par vertigo72, 13 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[AkiKishi]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

[thunderhawk862002]

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

*Shrugs*  IGN updated their article with that information.  I thought it was pertinent.  Don't know how that happens though.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 13 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

No it isn't. You just pretend it is because your as transparent as a rain drop. Your trying to mislead others into thinking sales were bad or that Bioware are suffering big time. All data shows this is not the case which is a fact you keep putting fingers in ears towards. Preorders for it would of been very high, on top of this all data shows outside of preorders it is still very high ongoing. You have no proof to counter so now your trying to discredit.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your trying to deflect from the topic at hand, NPD data shows it is selling well.

No it doesn't. NPD data shows ME3 shipped 4 million units. A major indicator on the performance of a item is the ratio of units sold to units shipped.

You are looking at the denominator. We want the numerator.

True, and there isn't one, or at least Mr. Hosking will not say.

You wish to target me instead of talk about the topic again? Reported.

You should of leasrned your lessoon last time your was suspended.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

No it isn't. You just pretend it is because your as transparent as a rain drop. Your trying to mislead other s into thinking sales were bad or that Bioware are suffering big time. All data shows this is not the case which is a fact you keep trololoing towards. Preorders for it would of been very high, on top of this all data shows outside of preorders it is still very high ongoing. You have no proof to counter so now your trying to discredit.

http://www.joystiq.c...g-launch-month/

1.3 million SALES so where the hell are you getting 3.5 million from ?

And 1.3 million in a month for a AAA is RUBBISH sorry to burst whatever little reality you have going there. Skyrim did more than 3 times that in TWO days.

Even if we double it for the rest of the world (which it won't be) it's still terrible. Now I can see why Amazon dropped it to £23.95 within 19 days of release.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 13 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[thunderhawk862002]

I would have loved to have seen BioWare release Mass Effect 3 during the holiday season when the competition is a lot tougher.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 13 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

No it isn't. You just pretend it is because your as transparent as a rain drop. Your trying to mislead other s into thinking sales were bad or that Bioware are suffering big time. All data shows this is not the case which is a fact you keep putting fingers in ears towards. Preorders for it would of been very high, on top of this all data shows outside of preorders it is still very high ongoing. You have no proof to counter so now your trying to discredit.

http://www.joystiq.c...g-launch-month/

1.3 million SALES so where the hell are you getting 3.5 million from ?

And 1.3 million in a month for a AAA is RUBBISH sorry to burst whatever little reality you have going there. Skyrim did more than 3 times that in TWO days.

Even if we double it for the rest of the world (which it won't be) it's still terrible. Now I can see why Amazon dropped it to £23.95 within 19 days of release.

1.14 to 1.3 in first month in one region is good. Taking into account it does not include digital sales or all other regions from UK or Europe or Asia it is very reasonable to believe that it would be vastly greater even to the sum of double the amount of USA alone on the title (again in first month alone). You keep saying this is bad, this is horrible, this is rubbish but the fact is it is not bad, it is not horrible. It is very good.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

No it isn't. You just pretend it is because your as transparent as a rain drop. Your trying to mislead other s into thinking sales were bad or that Bioware are suffering big time. All data shows this is not the case which is a fact you keep putting fingers in ears towards. Preorders for it would of been very high, on top of this all data shows outside of preorders it is still very high ongoing. You have no proof to counter so now your trying to discredit.

http://www.joystiq.c...g-launch-month/

1.3 million SALES so where the hell are you getting 3.5 million from ?

And 1.3 million in a month for a AAA is RUBBISH sorry to burst whatever little reality you have going there. Skyrim did more than 3 times that in TWO days.

Even if we double it for the rest of the world (which it won't be) it's still terrible. Now I can see why Amazon dropped it to £23.95 within 19 days of release.

1.14 to 1.3 in first month in one region is good. Taking into account it does not include digital sales or all other regions from UK or Europe or Asia it is very reasonable to believe that it would be vastly greater even to the sum of double the amount of USA alone on the title (again in first month alone). You keep saying this is bad, this is horrible but the fact is it is not bad, it is not horrible. It is very good.

I keep saying it's bad and horrible because it is bad and horrible. You know that around 900k of those sales were day 1 right ? Do the math.

[thunderhawk862002]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

No it isn't. You just pretend it is because your as transparent as a rain drop. Your trying to mislead other s into thinking sales were bad or that Bioware are suffering big time. All data shows this is not the case which is a fact you keep putting fingers in ears towards. Preorders for it would of been very high, on top of this all data shows outside of preorders it is still very high ongoing. You have no proof to counter so now your trying to discredit.

http://www.joystiq.c...g-launch-month/

1.3 million SALES so where the hell are you getting 3.5 million from ?

And 1.3 million in a month for a AAA is RUBBISH sorry to burst whatever little reality you have going there. Skyrim did more than 3 times that in TWO days.

Even if we double it for the rest of the world (which it won't be) it's still terrible. Now I can see why Amazon dropped it to £23.95 within 19 days of release.

1.14 to 1.3 in first month in one region is good. Taking into account it does not include digital sales or all other regions from UK or Europe or Asia it is very reasonable to believe that it would be vastly greater even to the sum of double the amount of USA alone on the title (again in first month alone). You keep saying this is bad, this is horrible, this is rubbish but the fact is it is not bad, it is not horrible. It is very good.

Enter the Matrix also sold a million copies in the first month.  Look at how that ended up.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

 From Aaron Greenberg:

Mass Effect 3 was #1 title in March, 943K units on Xbox 360, outsold PS3 version 4:1. #NPD

Source:twitter.com/#!/aarongreenberg/status/190594071188881408

Hang on it was released in March and had 900k day 1 sales... Something is very screwy.

No it isn't. You just pretend it is because your as transparent as a rain drop. Your trying to mislead other s into thinking sales were bad or that Bioware are suffering big time. All data shows this is not the case which is a fact you keep putting fingers in ears towards. Preorders for it would of been very high, on top of this all data shows outside of preorders it is still very high ongoing. You have no proof to counter so now your trying to discredit.

http://www.joystiq.c...g-launch-month/

1.3 million SALES so where the hell are you getting 3.5 million from ?

And 1.3 million in a month for a AAA is RUBBISH sorry to burst whatever little reality you have going there. Skyrim did more than 3 times that in TWO days.

Even if we double it for the rest of the world (which it won't be) it's still terrible. Now I can see why Amazon dropped it to £23.95 within 19 days of release.

1.14 to 1.3 in first month in one region is good. Taking into account it does not include digital sales or all other regions from UK or Europe or Asia it is very reasonable to believe that it would be vastly greater even to the sum of double the amount of USA alone on the title (again in first month alone). You keep saying this is bad, this is horrible but the fact is it is not bad, it is not horrible. It is very good.

I keep saying it's bad and horrible because it is bad and horrible. You know that around 900k of those sales were day 1 right ? Do the math.

Very interesting that you keep saying it is bad when every single news article, every single press release, every single sales report states it is very good news, good sales and did well. Your free to believe whatever you want but just don't kid yourself into thinking all those sales reports, press releases and articles are written by idiots or that your opinion outweighs theirs or mine. Keep on believing that you think it did bad, me and most others will keep feeling differently. Either way I'm done with you and your two friends (sly, you and kbct aka the trio) for now and think bickering with you is a waste of my time and never productive.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Naivor]

Remember Dragon Age 2?
Yeah, it sold well at first too, then the word got spread avan even the most diehard fans of the game admitted it isn't really that good.

Mass Effect 3 isn't bad as an action game, thus it should sell well, since action games have a bigger market than RPG's. The ending and lack of dialogue is what has most people angry, and you wont get to experience the ending unless you buy or pirate the game, thus making more sales. I personally knew the ending was horrible, but still bought the game.

Also, this was the ending to the Shepard trilogy, so theres no way it could have sold badly. People want to play it through even if they were told it's based on the year 2000 variant of Gamebryo.

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Very interesting that you keep saying it is bad when every single news article, every single press release, every single sales report states it is very good news, good sales and did well. Your free to believe whatever you want but just don't kid yourself into thinking all those sales reports, press releases and articles are written by idiots or that your opinion outweighs theirs or mine. Keep on believing that you think it did bad, me and most others will keep feeling differently. Either way I'm done with you and your two friends (sly, you and kbct aka the trio) for now and think bickering with you is a waste of my time and never productive.

Articles are rarely negative, and I've given an example of how even bad games can sell well with enough hype and a good predecessor. Also, to heck with PR, it's rarely accurate, just cherrypicked information.

Modifié par Naivor, 13 avril 2012 - 06:33 .

[Gravbh]

vertigo72 wrote...

I think we should thank retakers for that. Even my ****ty local newspaper published like 5 articles about the ending controversy (usually followed by a couple of trailers).

My mom, who's most in-depth gaming experience is angry birds, asked me what I thought about ME3's ending. It definitely raised awareness.

[Gravbh]

Naivor wrote...


Articles are rarely negative, and I've given an example of how even bad games can sell well with enough hype and a good predecessor. Also, to heck with PR, it's rarely accurate, just cherrypicked information.

Duke Nukem Forever says hi.

[vertigo72]

Gravbh wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

I think we should thank retakers for that. Even my ****ty local newspaper published like 5 articles about the ending controversy (usually followed by a couple of trailers).

My mom, who's most in-depth gaming experience is angry birds, asked me what I thought about ME3's ending. It definitely raised awareness.

Not everybody have a hardcore gamer son. Any publicity is good publicity.

[hippanda]

Based on ME2 data, sales in the US account for ~60% of global sales.

Also based on ME2 data, you should expect to see in the ballpark of ~50% of the game's lifelong sales in the first month.

EA shipped 4 million copies of ME3 to retailers during the month of March. Of these physical copies, we would extrapolate about ~2.17 million of them having been sold worldwide (1.3 / 0.6). Unless EA intended to ship to retailers during the opening month the entire stock of ME3 that they would ever need for the entire lifespan of the game, I don't see how this could possibly be interpreted as good news when all factors are taken into consideration.

Yes, it shows the franchise is growing (2.17 million global sales during first 4 weeks vs. 1.59 million for ME2; +36.4%), but the growth fell way short of corporate expectations (4 million units shipped to retailers during first 4 weeks vs. 2 million for ME2; +100%). I imagine this is why you're seeing ME3 on sale pretty much anywhere you go.

Modifié par hippanda, 13 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Naivor]

Gravbh wrote...

Naivor wrote...


Articles are rarely negative, and I've given an example of how even bad games can sell well with enough hype and a good predecessor. Also, to heck with PR, it's rarely accurate, just cherrypicked information.

Duke Nukem Forever says hi.

Points for that, though I did see it getting a fairly good amount of 80/100. Articles are too forgiving, is all.

[SwiftRevenant]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It does not mean they spent more than previous titles just because one element might cost more.

Your trying to deflect from the topic at hand, NPD data shows it is selling well.

Economics 101. Unless the game was cheaper to make and market than ME2 they spent more.

Unit sale price on the other hand has not changed between ME2 and ME3. They need to sell more to generate the same revenue they did with ME2 because of inflation.

Well is a matter of scale. Well compared to what exactly ? AAA games need to sell lots because they cost lots to make.

Couldnt have said it better.  Most games if they hit 1 million are doing great. Wasn't it kojima who said they had to sell a million games of MGS4 to break even or make a profit?  We will have a clearer picture with actual units sold hopefully in the coming months. 

[Catsith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
1.14 to 1.3 in first month in one region is good. Taking into account it does not include digital sales or all other regions from UK or Europe or Asia it is very reasonable to believe that it would be vastly greater even to the sum of double the amount of USA alone on the title (again in first month alone). You keep saying this is bad, this is horrible, this is rubbish but the fact is it is not bad, it is not horrible. It is very good.

Er... for a blockbuster game like ME3, 1.3 million after a full month is underwhelming. Also, you are quite wrong to believe the total of digital sales plus worldwide sales would be double 1.3million. This is NOT good news for Bioware. There are many things to consider here. First, the game has a blockbuster budget, plus the fact that they built an entire new studio for the multiplayer, meaning they would need to sell much more than a million just to break even. Second, they shipped 3.5 million copies, which means they were expecting big sales. Third, the game was on discount within two weeks, and heavily discounted within three weeks. They couldn't even clear half the shipments. You can now find the game on sale in all places, while older games like Skyrim and even Kingdoms of Amalur (lol) sell for more.

And now this sales data. EA were *not* happy with ME2's numbers at all (this has been said before by folks in the industry), and I think we're seeing a repeat here. To EA, Mass Effect is just not that profitable, considering how big the budget is and how small the sales are relative to that. It's quite clear to me, and sad to see. Between this, DA2, and SWTOR, I really am starting to get worried about Bioware as a whole.

I would be willing to bet money that the next iteration of Mass Effect will be something quite different than what we've seen.