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[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

http://www.joystiq.c...g-launch-month/

1.3 million SALES so where the hell are you getting 3.5 million from ?

And 1.3 million in a month for a AAA is RUBBISH sorry to burst whatever little reality you have going there. Skyrim did more than 3 times that in TWO days.

Even if we double it for the rest of the world (which it won't be) it's still terrible. Now I can see why Amazon dropped it to £23.95 within 19 days of release.

1.14 to 1.3 in first month in one region is good. Taking into account it does not include digital sales or all other regions from UK or Europe or Asia it is very reasonable to believe that it would be vastly greater even to the sum of double the amount of USA alone on the title (again in first month alone). You keep saying this is bad, this is horrible but the fact is it is not bad, it is not horrible. It is very good.

I keep saying it's bad and horrible because it is bad and horrible. You know that around 900k of those sales were day 1 right ? Do the math.

So, NPD Group, the best source for sales data, shows 1.3 million units sold across all platforms in North America (or maybe the US). Why does VGChartz show 2.14 million for the same region over the same time? Are PC and PS3 digitial sales that high?

Or perhaps VGChartz is overestimating sales data:



Can someone please explain why VGChartz data is 65% higher than NPD Group.

Modifié par kbct, 13 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[SwiftRevenant]

Don't forget there are people who do spend $$ in MP which might help with their bottom line.

[Naivor]

SwiftRevenant wrote...

Don't forget there are people who do spend $$ in MP which might help with their bottom line.

That might not be enough. I dont personally know any people who pay for Bioware points to use in the MP, since the packs are too expensive and credits are so easy to come by on Silver challenge.  That said, those people I mentioned that play the Mp are only 8, but whats really making it not look good is that I havent even heard of people in the communities I frequent buying those points. It's just pennies for EA in the end, not real profit.

[thunderhawk862002]

SwiftRevenant wrote...

Don't forget there are people who do spend $$ in MP which might help with their bottom line.

But then you'd also have to add in the cost of running those servers as well.

[kbct]

Catsith wrote...

Er... for a blockbuster game like ME3, 1.3 million after a full month is underwhelming. Also, you are quite wrong to believe the total of digital sales plus worldwide sales would be double 1.3million. This is NOT good news for Bioware. There are many things to consider here. First, the game has a blockbuster budget, plus the fact that they built an entire new studio for the multiplayer, meaning they would need to sell much more than a million just to break even. Second, they shipped 3.5 million copies, which means they were expecting big sales. Third, the game was on discount within two weeks, and heavily discounted within three weeks. They couldn't even clear half the shipments. You can now find the game on sale in all places, while older games like Skyrim and even Kingdoms of Amalur (lol) sell for more.

And now this sales data. EA were *not* happy with ME2's numbers at all (this has been said before by folks in the industry), and I think we're seeing a repeat here. To EA, Mass Effect is just not that profitable, considering how big the budget is and how small the sales are relative to that. It's quite clear to me, and sad to see. Between this, DA2, and SWTOR, I really am starting to get worried about Bioware as a whole.

I would be willing to bet money that the next iteration of Mass Effect will be something quite different than what we've seen.

Nice post.

Yeah, I didn't know they built a new studio for multiplayer. Higher production costs indeed.

I don't see how these numbers are great when you factor in the higher production costs like multiplayer, delayed release date, increased advertising, inflation, etc.

I don't see how these numbers are great when you consider EA wanted to match the sales of ME1 and ME2 combined.

I don't see how these numbers are great when the game is discounted so quickly and so deeply.

I don't see how we can rely on VGChartz sales data when it's heavily dependent on extrapolating units sales. NPD Group sales data are more reliable.

[AkiKishi]

kbct wrote...
So, NPD Group, the best source for sales data, shows 1.3 million units sold across all platforms in North America (or maybe the US). Why does VGChartz show 2.14 million for the same region over the same time? Are PC and PS3 digitial sales that high?

Or perhaps VGChartz is overestimating sales data:



Can someone please explain why VGChartz data is 65% higher than NPD Group.

VGC do not have access to digital sales data. They have some sort of formula to extrapolate sales. ME3 is obviously somewhat outside of that model. Sales dropped off too sharply most likely.

[Father_Jerusalem]

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

[TheAwesomologist]

I'm bummed I didn't find this thread sooner before I started one on another sub-forum.
Interesting numbers all around but yeah I find the number low, and considering the pre-order sales, doesn't seem like much was actually sold over the course of the entire month. Should be interesting to see how DLC and other micro-transactions fare.

[LinksOcarina]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

Ive actually looked for the quote, I can't find it.

I said it might not be 7 million, it might be something else, but I do know that EA wanted to ship equal number at least, which is 7 million, so it is a rough estimate at the moment.

[Mirdarion]

Calbeb wrote...

Based on the NPD numbers, it looks like Mass Effect 3 actually sold really well. [...]

http://www.joystiq.c...r-decline-cont/

Who the hell created that FemShep shown in the article?! I mean... that's just... urgh! Who would do this and feel okay with it?

[Father_Jerusalem]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

Ive actually looked for the quote, I can't find it.

I said it might not be 7 million, it might be something else, but I do know that EA wanted to ship equal number at least, which is 7 million, so it is a rough estimate at the moment.

So, you made it up. And decided to try and cause the rumor that ME3 is failing because of it.

Gotcha.

[DemGeth]

Yeah ME3 will probably be around 4 mill by the end of the year.

Congrats to Bioware, I'd be willing to bet that their bonuses started around 3 mill.

Now fix the damn game please so I can play, can't believe it's been broken since a week after release...crazy.

[LinksOcarina]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

Ive actually looked for the quote, I can't find it.

I said it might not be 7 million, it might be something else, but I do know that EA wanted to ship equal number at least, which is 7 million, so it is a rough estimate at the moment.

So, you made it up. And decided to try and cause the rumor that ME3 is failing because of it.

Gotcha.

Possibly, if I find it I shall let you know. Either way,  I can tell you EA was banking on it making past 5-6 million in sales anyway, considering marketing and pre-buzz hype, pre-order sales being high and so forth. It is very likely it could have been 7 mil, it could have been higher. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 13 avril 2012 - 10:15 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

This wasn't recent so it's not specific to ME3 but it was 10 million sales. 

www.videogamer.com/xbox360/mass_effect_2/news/10_million_sales_is_biowares_new_target.html

[DemGeth]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

Ive actually looked for the quote, I can't find it.

I said it might not be 7 million, it might be something else, but I do know that EA wanted to ship equal number at least, which is 7 million, so it is a rough estimate at the moment.

So, you made it up. And decided to try and cause the rumor that ME3 is failing because of it.

Gotcha.

Possibly, if I find it I shall let you know. Either way,  I can tell you EA was banking on it making past 5-6 million in sales anyway, considering marketing and pre-buzz hype, pre-order sales being high and so forth. It is very likely it could have been 7 mil, it could have been higher. 

Ah so you think they budgetted out for 2 million over the next highest selling rpg at the time Fable.


lol.....

[AkiKishi]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Possibly, if I find it I shall let you know. Either way,  I can tell you EA was banking on it making past 5-6 million in sales anyway, considering marketing and pre-buzz hype, pre-order sales being high and so forth. It is very likely it could have been 7 mil, it could have been higher. 

Common sense should tell you that. You don't invest 2-3 years in a game that only sells 2-4 million and spend the GPD of a small country advertising it.EA would starve like that.

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

Yeah, sorry for shining a flashlight into the thread. Go look at my first post:

kbct wrote...

"While exact sales numbers have not been made publicly available, NPD analyst Anita Frazier notes that "Mass Effect 3 sold more than twice as much as did Mass Effect 2 during its introductory month in January 2010." Back then, EA revealed that Mass Effect 2 sold more than two million copies in its first week, meaning at least four million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold-in to retailers (though sold-through numbers to consumers have yet to be announced)."

Am I missing something? Why do we care about sold-in numbers? Who cares how many copies were shipped to retailers?

I want sold-through numbers. I want to know how many were sold to customers.

Then look at the first response to my post:

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nice try. Every peice of data which lists numbers for overall sales shows that the title is selling extremely well.

Now, go look at the article again:

"(An earlier version of this article referred to numbers sold-in to retailers rather than sold-through to consumers. This number has now been corrected.)"

So Father_Jerusalem, who was right and who was wrong? I have to defend myself, right? The article made A CORRECTION to reflect what I was saying.

Maybe you should do a bit more reading and a bit less talking. I did notice you didn't provide any links or information yourself in your post. I never said LinksOcarina was correct, but he seems like a knowledgeable person and I considered it.

It's true, if the goal was to sell the combined amount of ME1 and ME2, then ME3 is not on the path to success, right?

Modifié par kbct, 13 avril 2012 - 10:25 .

[LinksOcarina]

BobSmith101 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Possibly, if I find it I shall let you know. Either way,  I can tell you EA was banking on it making past 5-6 million in sales anyway, considering marketing and pre-buzz hype, pre-order sales being high and so forth. It is very likely it could have been 7 mil, it could have been higher. 

Common sense should tell you that. You don't invest 2-3 years in a game that only sells 2-4 million and spend the GPD of a small country advertising it.EA would starve like that.

You would think that, except RPGs are still niche in the eye of the market. The highest selling RPG of all time is Pokemon which is $215 million for the franchise since 1996. 

To compare that, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 has over $775 million globally. And that is not units sold, which considering price...is likely higher. 

So honestly, Mass Effect has always been small potatos, so expectations for 3 were high, but in reality it was never going to hit it, ending issues or not. EA was probably inflating it like they did Dead Space and Mirrors Edge; the problem is putting expectations where they don't exist, which is EA's problem in terms of marketing.

And since most games are lucky enough to break over 2 million in sales, despite hemorraging money, that is a feat to say the least despite the controversy of Mass Effect 3. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 13 avril 2012 - 10:30 .

[kbct]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So now you're basing it on "EA wanted to sell 7 million, it hasn't SO IT'S A FAILURE LOL!" based off one random statement one random dude said he saw one random place on the internet. With not source, no proof, no nothing.

Ahhhh it's kbct. I can't even pretend to be surprised.

This wasn't recent so it's not specific to ME3 but it was 10 million sales. 

www.videogamer.com/xbox360/mass_effect_2/news/10_million_sales_is_biowares_new_target.html

Nice find. 7 million is not unreasonable, right?

[Father_Jerusalem]

So again, someone here claimed that EA said they wanted to sell 7 million copies ME3. There's no source to this quote, nothing at all other than some dude said it, and that's now what you're basing your expectations on and labeling ME3 as a failure because of.

Well, I heard a quote from some dude at EA saying that if they sold only one copy, they'd consider it a massive success. So I guess now, they're at over a million and a half times "massive success", right?

Please show me, going by this list, http://en.wikipedia....ing_video_games how EXPECTING 7-10 million copies sold (over double the highest selling Non-Final Fantasy/Non-Zelda RPG of all time) makes, in any way, one iota of sense?

Doesn't it make MORE logical sense that this quote is completely fabricated, and that basing your INSANELY biased expectations off it and labeling ME3 a "failure" because of it is completely and utterly asinine?

[Farbautisonn]

Doesnt matter how many units were sold. Only matters if it clears the projected profit margin. If it does not it will get canned.

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Please show me, going by this list, http://en.wikipedia....ing_video_games how EXPECTING 7-10 million copies sold (over double the highest selling Non-Final Fantasy/Non-Zelda RPG of all time) makes, in any way, one iota of sense?

Maybe because EA wants to grow sales by making an awesome RPG with a great story and with multiplayer action?

I guess you think they never want to grow sales? They spent the extra money on multiplayer. You don't think they want to see a return on that investment?

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Please show me, going by this list, http://en.wikipedia....ing_video_games how EXPECTING 7-10 million copies sold (over double the highest selling Non-Final Fantasy/Non-Zelda RPG of all time) makes, in any way, one iota of sense?

Maybe because EA wants to grow sales by making an awesome RPG with a great story and with multiplayer action?

I guess you think they never want to grow sales? They spent the extra money on multiplayer. You don't think they want to see a return on that investment?

So, you assume that a statement, made with no evidence, claiming that EA wants to MORE THAN DOUBLE the HIGHEST SELLING Non-Final Fantasy/Non-Zelda RPG of ALL TIME as making logical sense, and that ME3 is a flop because they haven't done so. In a month. 

And this, I promise, is where we part ways. You are, as ever, completely and utterly ridiculous. Be well.

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Please show me, going by this list, http://en.wikipedia....ing_video_games how EXPECTING 7-10 million copies sold (over double the highest selling Non-Final Fantasy/Non-Zelda RPG of all time) makes, in any way, one iota of sense?

Maybe because EA wants to grow sales by making an awesome RPG with a great story and with multiplayer action?

I guess you think they never want to grow sales? They spent the extra money on multiplayer. You don't think they want to see a return on that investment?

So, you assume that a statement, made with no evidence, claiming that EA wants to MORE THAN DOUBLE the HIGHEST SELLING Non-Final Fantasy/Non-Zelda RPG of ALL TIME as making logical sense, and that ME3 is a flop because they haven't done so. In a month. 

And this, I promise, is where we part ways. You are, as ever, completely and utterly ridiculous. Be well.

I believe ME1 sold over 3 million and ME2 sold over 4 million without multiplayer? What's wrong with trying to sell 7 million ME3 copies WITH multiplayer? You think that is unreasonable?

What do you think is reasonable? Or no clue?