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Achieving the "best" ending without multiplayer is outright IMPOSSIBLE. Proof inside. Bioware please acknowledge this issue.


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secretidentity

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Bioware has repeatedly claimed through press releases, forums posts, and twitter that multiplayer isn't needed to get the best ending. Let's put aside any complaints about the endings themseles for now and see if this is true.

To get the best ending you need 4000+ EMS. However, without multiplayer your Glactic Readiness rating is stuck at 50%, meaning you need 8000+ total war assets to achieve this. The only other way to raise the Galactic Readiness percentage is through Mass Effect: Infiltrator and the Datapad iOS app, and frankly I find the idea of being forced to use these even worse than being forced to use multiplayer.

So what it all comes down to is whether or not its possible to get 8000 points from war assets.

Before I get to the meat of this I will point out that there are 2 war assets that can't be obtained with singleplayer. Specifically, the N7 Special Ops Team, worth 75 for each multiplayer character you promote and Cerberus Escapees for completing Mass Effect: Infiltrator, worth 40. I have removed these from the total count.

This is the non-spoiler section so I'll try not to discuss plot developments in ME3, but I may inadertently allude to a few things.

Instead of relying on anectotal evidence I have simply datamined the games code to gather a complete list of every war asset within the game. The blanket totals without factoring in mutually exclusive assets and decisions are thus:

Alien: 1000
Alliance: 1881
Asari: 668
Crucible: 915
Ex-Cerberus: 260
Geth: 820
Krogan: 925
Quarian: 830
Salarian: 433
Turian: 638

TOTAL: 8370

Now before you say "well there you are then, over 8000. Nothing more to see here.", these numbers are too high, requiring such things as both Kaiden and Ashley to be alive and simultaneously rescuing the council and letting them die in ME1. There's also mutually exclusive events within ME3 itself, some  minor some not so minor. After studying the numbers I have found the optimized path for getting the absolute highest possible number of war assets even if it forces you to play like a shizophrenic looney. Here it is, the highest war assets score you can achieve.

Alien: 1000
Alliance: 1701
Asari: 668
Crucible: 815
Ex-Cerberus: 260
Geth: 815 OR 665
Krogan: 795
Quarian: 675 OR 825
Salarian: 338
Turian: 633

TOTAL: 7700

There are two values for the quarians and the geth because one of them has to take a 150 penalty, it doesn't matter which.

Without multiplayer you cannot get above 7700 war assets.

It is impossible.

I can not be done.

At all.

Period.

But don't just take my word for it. See for yourself, here's the war asset data ripped directly from the game: http://pastebin.com/hRks27wB (warning, potential heavy spoilers).

That lists every asset within the game's code, including those that just give research data and credits (the ones with obscenely large values like 10000 or 30000 are credits). There are 2 listed in there that appear to have been cut or otherwise removed from the game: #32 Element Zero Core with a value of 200, and #33 Cerberus Flotilla valued at 100. So even if we include magical nonexistent assets you'd have to do evrything throughout the entire series perfectly.

People have made numerous topics about this and even pm'ed people like Thomas Abrams to ask what the deal is and the response is always "It's possible to achieve over 4000 EMS without multiplayer." with no further elaboration. It's. Not. I don't know how I can possibly be more clear about this. It is not possible to get the best ending without multiplayer.

I'm sorry if I sound accusatory but I'm starting to lose patience about this issue being constantly and consistently brushed aside. Maybe Bioware has a different version from the retail copy, maybe there's a communications error somewhere, but the fact is that Bioware's statements on this matter are flat out wrong.

These are cold hard FACTS, not a matter of opinion like the endings. Why has there not been any acknowledgement that this issue is real and exists? And can you imagine how many people would explode when the Extended Cut DLC is released and they discover they can't get the best result without multiplayer?

Bioware, I ask you to please stop ignoring this and make some sort of statement that you are aware of the problem.

-EDIT-
For the record, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're not lying. I think it's far more likely that there's a failure to communicate somewhere. The point of this thread is to try to rectify that.

Modifié par secretidentity, 13 avril 2012 - 05:41 .


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Tietj

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I agree with this thread. I guarantee you're going to get people saying "The green ending is the best ending!" along with people saying "Just play multiplayer and stop whining!" and then my favorite, "I got 9 zillion EMS without even touching multiplayer! And at only 95% galactic readiness!"

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What's even worse is Bioware didn't say you could get the "best ending" just by Single Player, but that you could get ANY ending without MP and that it was just another way to play. This is a LIE.

-Polaris

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Tietj wrote...

I agree with this thread. I guarantee you're going to get people saying "The green ending is the best ending!" along with people saying "Just play multiplayer and stop whining!" and then my favorite, "I got 9 zillion EMS without even touching multiplayer! And at only 95% galactic readiness!"


Not to mention eventually the servers will go down and then everyone will be screwed at that point.

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I forced myself for the second playthrough and I did every side-quest and scanned all systems.
I'm not even close to 4000 EMS.

And I refuse to play MP.

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matthewmi

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Play MP for a few hours and you can get the best ending or have a friend do it for you while you bake a cake or watch some TV.

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matthewmi wrote...

Play MP for a few hours and you can get the best ending or have a friend do it for you while you bake a cake or watch some TV.


And what happens when the servers go offline for good?  Wouldn't surprise me to see them go in two or three years time once the next gen hits.  Great for replayability wouldn't you say?

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thunderhawk862002 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Play MP for a few hours and you can get the best ending or have a friend do it for you while you bake a cake or watch some TV.


And what happens when the servers go offline for good?  Wouldn't surprise me to see them go in two or three years time once the next gen hits.  Great for replayability wouldn't you say?


Plus not everyone has X-Box Live or an internet connection.

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Vincent Rosevalliant

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Another lie, then. Good job, OP. It must have taken some effort to gather this data. I'd believe your word over Bioware's silence any day. Especially with their track record of late...

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I don't think this was a lie; I think the people who have responded genuinely believe what they're saying. Maybe I'm naive. But I also believe they're mistaken. Thomas Abram promised he'd look into this in the next month or so.

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The OP is correct, it is impossible to get the 4000 EMS needed to get what the fans consider to be the best ending. Sadly, there have been several threads about this topic, and Bioware continually refuse to acknowledge the issue. Don't expect that to change.

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IanPolaris

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Tietj wrote...

I don't think this was a lie; I think the people who have responded genuinely believe what they're saying. Maybe I'm naive. But I also believe they're mistaken. Thomas Abram promised he'd look into this in the next month or so.


I am refering to Bioware's official statement that said that you could achieve all possible endings with Single Player only, i.e. not using multiplayer did not close out options.  This IS a verifiable LIE.  No sugarcoating is possible.

-Polaris

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Nicely done, OP.

IanPolaris, I actually thought you said you could do it with a mix of paragon and renegade about a month ago.

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@OP:
Marvelous work.

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AFAIK, there are only 2 ways to do it, and neithr of them legit.

1) Use Gibbeds to up your WA meter. This, however, has a chance or earning you a ban from either XBL, or Origin.

2) On PC, you can download the Galactic Readiness Cheat to bring your GR up to 100%. This is for PC only (might work for Xbox, dont know), but it does reset your achievements, as it is someone elses Local_Profile.sav, which they only played MP in order to get the 100%.

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kbct wrote...

Nicely done, OP.

IanPolaris, I actually thought you said you could do it with a mix of paragon and renegade about a month ago.


I was wrong.  I tried and failed and then I datamined the coalesced.bin files and discovered what the OP said.  It is in fact IMPOSSIBLE.  Bioware flat out LIED.  I was at that time trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

-Polaris

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thunderhawk862002 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Play MP for a few hours and you can get the best ending or have a friend do it for you while you bake a cake or watch some TV.


And what happens when the servers go offline for good?  Wouldn't surprise me to see them go in two or three years time once the next gen hits.  Great for replayability wouldn't you say?


That's the absolutely worst thing about it.
For shame, BioWare, own up to your mistakes already.

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It's really like they want us to ha... not like them. The way this issue is ignored is pathetic.

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IanPolaris wrote...

kbct wrote...

Nicely done, OP.

IanPolaris, I actually thought you said you could do it with a mix of paragon and renegade about a month ago.


I was wrong.  I tried and failed and then I datamined the coalesced.bin files and discovered what the OP said.  It is in fact IMPOSSIBLE.  Bioware flat out LIED.  I was at that time trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

-Polaris


Well, I passed along your information because I remember you from SpellForce 2 (only one person in the world ends EVERY post with -Polaris). Heh.

Yes, it's pretty clear after all these threads that you can't see all SP content unless you meta-game or purchase future DLC. Very irritating if it was planned that way.

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Old news. :P

It all comes down to the integrity of artistic space magic!

Anyone want to take any bets on how long bioware will continue to hide on this issue? 

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Arsenic Touch wrote...

Old news. :P

It all comes down to the integrity of artistic space magic!

Anyone want to take any bets on how long bioware will continue to hide on this issue? 


Until the publicity gets bad enough and EA's share price starts to drop, then they will throw a few pennies at Bioware to get them to slap up something as buggy as hell as a "fix".

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Vincent Rosevalliant

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Sorry. I wasn't trying to derail the thread when I said "lie". I was just disappointed.
Perhaps I should not post for a while.

Apologies

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This is really kind of a ridiculous situation. First of all, it's the easiest fix in the world. Second, the people complaining about this are not complaining about something subjective like the quality of the endings. Speaking for myself, I LOVED the game as a whole package, and I love most Bioware games (even DA2). The ending certainly wasn't my favorite part but I have faith in the extended cut.

I have nothing but respect for the company, but I would really like to achieve the 4000 EMS ending (especially when the extended cut comes out) and I don't have a strong enough connection to play multiplayer. I hate sounding like I'm complaining, just fix the problem already! Or at least acknowledge it.

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This is, in fact, a legitimate issue, and some clarification from BioWare - or even better, a retraction of the statement combined with an apology and the introduction of more war assets, or adjustment of the point values of current war assets - would be prudent, I think.

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I have noticed the voices raised about this issue are getting louder. They'll be even louder still when the extended cut is released.