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[SiIencE]

I don't get the whining about nerfing guns or powers, it's a not even PVP so W*F?
You're supposed to get through the 10(11) rounds together, and so what if someone else tops the list in the end, you made it that's what counts.

[Bruddajakka]

No.

[COLZ7R]

Buff all the **** weps (all smgs, most ar) leave the few decent guns alone!!!

[Lycidas]

cuzIMgood wrote...

Lycidas wrote...

OP you're missing the point.
1. Toning down things that people enjoy to use does not make them enjoy other things more. It makes them enjoy the game as a whole less.
2. Things that are hard to get need to be better than things that are easy to get. Why else would anyone bother to actually get the rare things?
3. Nerfing what is considered too good (by some) at the moment will not achieve balance or fun it will just create the next thing that is considered too good for tomorrow.

1. Your opinion
2. Once again, your opinion and I completely disagree. I think every weapon, common or ultra rare, should be just as viable of an option. What sets them apart is how they perform in a certain situations, enemy types, range, shielding, player skill, player use, combining with certain abilities, etc.
3. This is just a bad argument. Even if something else is found to be op it won't be as op as the original gun that was nerfed and eventually, with both buffs and nerfs, the game will be pretty well balanced.

Yeah, I get it. Your opinion is better than mine...Right?
I'm only going to comment on your second point. Your point of view is what you typically want to achieve in a PvP environment because rare weapons being better there would scare away new players. You can not apply your typical Battlefield or CoD Mindset to a RPG coop Shooter hybrid and expect it to work there. Take Borderlands as an example who would ever complain that a rare weapon in borderlands is better than a common one? Nobody would because that's the way its supposed to be.
In PvE people keep playing because they want the rare things and they want them because they are supposed to be better. You don't see any MMO guild farming that particular raid boss again and again just for an item that is just as good as the common one from the store.

Modifié par Lycidas, 13 avril 2012 - 06:57 .

[RemingtonArms]

Foxtrot813 wrote...

Yes. Nerf the last purely good weapon. Now we'll all suck equally, then EVERYONE is having fun!

Or, they could just buff the trash guns in this game and make them worth the cooldown penalty.

Agreed.

[ArkkAngel007]

ABjerre wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

The Carnifex doesn't need a nerf. Assault rifles in general need a buff. Headshots do more damage and the carnifex is a headshot machine, get used to it.

The damage is fine.
The weight is fine.
The accuracy is anyhting but fine. Outside of "just before melee" pistols shouldn't be able to hit anyhting.

Have you ever fired a real sidearm?  Something is telling me no.  Handguns can be very accurate in capable hands, and easily so in the ranges in the maps.

Those complaining that it behaves like a "primary weapon", it's a heavy pistol, and probably the closest thing to a magnum.  Plenty of games have them and work just fine, and those are the competitive games where balances matter more than making a class easier to use and getting the highest of, again, pointless XP during the match.

[greghorvath]

Why do people want to solve a "change lobby" problem by modifying the game? This is so strange.

If you don't like the: team/people in the lobby/loadouts/maps/enemies/whatever just calmly exit the lobby (even if it is the umpteenth one) and search for a new one.

This nerf this and buff that thing is getting as irritating as the retaking.

[Kajan451]

vonSlash wrote...

And so, I present to Bioware one simple, straightforward, easy change that should be made to Mass Effect 3's multiplayer that would make everyone's gaming experience better (except the geth farmers, and I'm not really concerned with their welfare).

I am not a Gethfarmer and my response to you and your notion would get me a perma bann, and i am usually not someone that uses foul language and that does try to avoid cursing.

I don't know who put you in charge of my fun, or gave you the right to decide what i should consider a good gaming experiance.

Its people like you that  over their Keyboard because they believe to have some solution to everyones problem or think everyone would enjoy the same things as them.

Well, a quick update on that one: We don't. I like the carnifex the way it is. I don't want to use the stupid arc pistol and i don't want to empty a whole damn clip into an enemy on Bronze just because they happen to have shields. And i don't farm geth on gold. Its boring and i have better things to do with my time.

I like the Carnifex because of its use and because its fun using it the way it is.  My gaming experiance wouldn't get better for having to use other weapons. I tried every single weapon and i don't like most of them. They suck and are a waste of time.

The game isn't to easy for me. and i enjoy a bronze match much more than a gold one. I don't mind using the Geth Pulse Rifle on my Geth Engineer and i do like to run around as Quarian Infiltrator as some sort of Engineer. I don't do stuff thats considered "best", because i want to have fun, but having some (my initial though would be to call you punk, but i really try to keep that out of this post) guy tell me how i should enjoy the game, goes to far.

I would very much appericate it if you would keep your opinion to yourself or at least refrain from deciding what would improve my fun. I never asked you to and you don't know me.

The notion that only people who farm Geth on Gold would mind a nerf of the last useful Handgun that doesn't need 20 shots to kill something, is infuriating. Especially if coupled with some guy believing he knows what everyone should have fun doing.


And to think this is the first post i am reading while having my morning coffee, this day is off to a bad start.

[Biosplosions]

SiIencE wrote...

I don't get the whining about nerfing guns or powers, it's a not even PVP so W*F?
You're supposed to get through the 10(11) rounds together, and so what if someone else tops the list in the end, you
made it that's what counts.

That's too rational. Lesser mortals aren't allowed to outscore them and that's all they care about.

[Keymonk]

Cobra5 wrote...

buff the bad guns, don't nerf the good ones.

[ArkkAngel007]

SiIencE wrote...

I don't get the whining about nerfing guns or powers, it's a not even PVP so W*F?
You're supposed to get through the 10(11) rounds together, and so what if someone else tops the list in the end, you made it that's what counts.

My issue with this thread right there.

To your first point, there should be a balance still.  Which there is.  The OP is assuming the Carnifex is level X judging by the 200% weight bonus argument.  However, how many people actually have a Carnifex X?  The Carnifex was one of the first weapons I earned, and it is still level I.  At that point, it is a proper hinderence.  Do I agree that something like how it performs should have a bit more drawback, even at lvl X?  Of course.  However, it shouldn't defeat the purpose of the weapon as it is.

Why is balance important though?  It keeps the game from being too difficult, too easy, and allows people cooperating to share the experience more-so than just one outstripping everyone else every match and allowing no one else to input their actions to the experience.  Yet, most of BioWare's nerfs (and arguably, buffs) have been feeding into a positive feedback system rather than a negative one.  The problem is furthering itself in one direction instead of actually balancing the game.

[Dynamik78]

Omg OP where does all your hate come from? carniflex is not an easy gun to use and still has 0 firepower if toy compare it to any good shottye...what the hell do you want to archieve nerfing it?
you hate its looks so much that you want to make it a water gun?
But I am sure Bioware is smart enough to not consider your trolling hate post
see you

[Dynamik78]

edit: the 200% cooldown means nothing if i can have 130% on the same class with gps or graal X
Let's NERF those too then!!!

[DAMPANDAX99]

Renew81 wrote...

also remove krogan melee and give them diapers
strip all classes from biotic powers
grenades are for whimps
remove the tactical cloak
delete the carnifex
delete all weapons

give everyone a bow and arrow and on the first wave release 35 banshees and 15 brutes
remove the consumables and missles and lenghten the game round to 100 waves
( thats on bronze of course ) gold should be 250

Yeah ! hardcore..

  At that point I would just start laughing....

[Farmtech-Ru]

I wanted to post the same topic, but have a different idea. Pure damage nerf on canifex or paladin is likely wrong, better nerf the accuracy to make 25 meter headshots from shelter a chore without a scope and increase range to damage penalty on the item. it's energy based, so the charge can suffer some plasma dissipation bleh

[ImperatorMortis]

 

[Esbatty]

Carnifex, before I could even acquire the Paladin, has even been my Single Player go to secondary weapon. So, no deal Flanders, I been using it so much in both game modes that I can't see NOT using it.

[Lord Chun]

Just posting in a 300+ topic lol

[elferin91]

or buff other weapons/skills?

[Grubilmeister]

I never understood this mentality... Why nerf it? Are you competing for a high score? If so, you're playing wrong...

The only thing an "overpowered" weapon can bring to the team, is an advantage. It's helping YOU win, even if you're not the one using it. I, for one, never use the damn thing, because I enjoy my heavy weapons. But I don't cry when other people use it. Why? Because it WORKS for their class, which in turn, helps the team.

[SinerAthin]

Cobra5 wrote...

buff the bad guns, don't nerf the good ones.

This.

Because something is viable on Gold doesn't mean it's overpowered. The other guns are just useless.

[Farmtech-Ru]

Nerf accuracy and damage per range loss, keep the power

Modifié par Farmtech-Ru, 13 avril 2012 - 08:38 .

[Podunks]

Im tired of idjits asking for things to get nerfed... If you can use the weapn too why are you butt hurt that it is good?? Do you want all weapons to be exactly the same? Where would be the point in that.

Guess you cant fix dumb.

[Arcadian Legend]

You want to nerf the Inf's signature power?! Personally I don't get the idea of nerfng stuff. If it works, and works well, why lower it's efficiency, or worse break it? (in a bad way) Does. Not. Compute.