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[Define Clarity]

So what you're proposing is a nerf to Tactical Cloak and the Carnifex.
Here's why I didn't take your post seriously,
There isn't a problem with TC.

Any "overpoweredness" related to that is because of the AI not the ability, so case closed.

Now about the Carnifex. First off, you seem mad. Secondly nerfing the Carnifex won't really change anything, and most definitely won't grant you your wish that encourages players to "explore" new combinations.

The reason why said players do such things is simply because it works, it's fast, and it's efficient. As you said.

If im farming Geth/Gold with my salarian engineer and a carnifex scoped w/ damage mod, is Gold easy?

No ****. Of course it easy, why? Because we choose to make it easy. Also, by nerfing it people will always go to option number 2. Phalanx, which last time I checked isn't nessecarily bad.

So in essence, don't whine about it because afaik it's actually a good weapon. Too good? Buff other weapons to allow more viable choices, not nerf the useable ones.

[scottster117]

Make more things unusable, rather than fixing unusable things.

THIS GUY'S A GENIUS!

[Highlord Heian]

Radwar wrote...

Nobody's placing a gun to your head, forcing you to use it.

If they were, it would be a Carnifex, though.

And he would complain at them.

And then BAM! Problem solved! Carnifex fixes its own problems.

[Syrus101]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Nerfing another weapon because it is viable is not a way to fix anything especially since the game is not competitive. The fact that anything has been nerfed, especially Ultra-Rares, is ridiculous.

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Foxtrot813 wrote...

Or, they could just buff the trash guns in this game and make them worth the cooldown penalty.

Could not agree more

Absolutely 100% agree.

+1 to that definitely

I dont see why you need to nerf the Fex. its a great weapon yes but... try using that in close quarters? no thanks! I'd stick to another pistol or an AR/SMG/Shotgun. 

it DOES have downfalls. the fex is a med to long range pistol. handy for those that dont want the weight of a sniper rifle but still want to be able to snipe fairly effectively. the fex IS NOT a sniper... but its a good replacement for one. 


and +1 on the "nerf the nerfherders. its a COOP game NOT competitive.... if anything weapons and enemies should be "buffed" for balance not making them worse...

[Misguided Terran]

I see no reason to nerf the Carnifex, its powerful, yes, but a bit substandard firing rate and low capacity evens it out. If someone kicks you for using "the wrong gun," they're just stupid.

The only gun that was nerfed and I agree with was the Falcon. A large, splash damage, spammy weapon that bounced any one else's aim around if they were nearby. It was esentially hold trigger to win. Now it's more methodical, and less annoying to other players.

As I see it, someone shooting their carnifex next to me doesn't bother me while I'm trying to scope that damn phantom about to kill another player, and I'm totally fine with that.

[Poekel]

Question is if then people would start calling the Phalanx overpowered which basically is about a similar strength against non armored targets.

Yes, that's right. Nerf the Carnifex. Severely. And while you're at it, nerf Tactical Cloak too.

Hmm personally I think they should "fix" Cloak so that it always has the same cooldown effected by weight. Given the games mechanic the biggest problem is that people can run around with a Javelin 1 for sniping and a Claymore 1 for close combat without almost sacrificing anything (then there actually even might be a case for the Sniper Rifle damage reduction on Salarians or for light weight sniper rifles).

[EVani]

It'll be better to buff the other weapons and make them as viable as their concept suggest. Also, carnifex does not 2 shot enemies on gold. It's more likely that someone's power combo would. It is more exasperating for beginner/ bronze/silver players since it 1 shots almost everything. I remember those beta days when the 1st people got their hands on the carnifex. Didn't manage to kill any Cerberus on bronze that day.

[cuzIMgood]

I like how everyone who suggests a nerf with legitimate reasons is a crybaby, is mad they don't have the gun, or just sucks according to the community. Like it or not the gun is op and could use a small nerf rather than buffing 15 other guns.

Oh and don't even say "co-op games don't need to be balanced" because that is just idiotic.

Modifié par cuzIMgood, 13 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[Cyonan]

There are plenty of things I think should get changed in the name of balance for this game.

The Carnifex however, isn't really on that list of things. It is not one of the things that is making gold easy.

[scottster117]

cuzIMgood wrote...

I like how everyone who suggests a nerf with legitimate reasons is a "crybaby" "is mad they don't have the gun" or just "sucks" according to the community. Like it or not the gun is op and could use a small nerf over buffing 15 other guns.

Oh and don't even say "co-op games don't need to be balanced" because that is just idiotic.

I'd say half the guns in the game being unusuable has much, MUCH more prioity than 1 thats a tad too strong, but that's just me.

[adec1223]

all of your comments is exactly what he was talking about. i believe all weapons should be viable for all difficulties in their own way. which means not having a gun that every one chooses over another. i agree with op. nerf the carnifex. up the weight is the best choice

[vonSlash]

Just to clarify, I support both nerfing the Carnifex and buffing the weakest weapons, not "just nerfing everyhing until it's all unusable".

Also, this thread is damn entertaining.

[Rodney Chongo]

Syrus101 wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Nerfing another weapon because it is viable is not a way to fix anything especially since the game is not competitive. The fact that anything has been nerfed, especially Ultra-Rares, is ridiculous.

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Foxtrot813 wrote...

Or, they could just buff the trash guns in this game and make them worth the cooldown penalty.

Could not agree more

Absolutely 100% agree.

+1 to that definitely

I dont see why you need to nerf the Fex. its a great weapon yes but... try using that in close quarters? no thanks! I'd stick to another pistol or an AR/SMG/Shotgun. 

it DOES have downfalls. the fex is a med to long range pistol. handy for those that dont want the weight of a sniper rifle but still want to be able to snipe fairly effectively. the fex IS NOT a sniper... but its a good replacement for one. 


and +1 on the "nerf the nerfherders. its a COOP game NOT competitive.... if anything weapons and enemies should be "buffed" for balance not making them worse...

But it is a competitive game. Otherwise there would be no scores and no "I hates kill-stealers" whiny twits

Modifié par Rodney Chongo, 13 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[cuzIMgood]

vonSlash wrote...

I support both nerfing the Carnifex and buffing the weakest weapons.

Exactly, if every weapon just keeps getting buffed and we get no nerfs then the game will be even easier than it is now (which is waaay too easy).

[scottster117]

vonSlash wrote...

Just to clarify, I support both nerfing the Carnifex and buffing the weakest weapons, not "just nerfing everyhing until it's all unusable".

Also, this thread is damn entertaining.

I'd like to add that I don't think your wrong. It probably should recieve a nerf somewhere down the line. I just think they got a lot of bigger priorities and to me, buffing SMGs and ARs should come first.

[EVani]

Up the weight and people will start deciding whether to carry a sniper rifle instead. I'd say reducing the damage/ increasing recoil/firing rate is ok. More important to buff up the other weapons since 1/2 of them already don't kill things. Guns like arc pistol sounds very cool in theory but fairly useless in practice.

[Father Alvito]

There's no question that the Carnifex is OP when compared to virtually all other caster choices on Gold. Long story short, other viable options require expending ammo consumables to make them functional against armored targets in Gold. The Carnifex doesn't.

It doesn't follow that the Carnifex needs a nerf. Rather, the armor mechanics need a rework. Solution: have armor reduce a weapon's damage by a percentage of the weapon's base damage, up to the current caps. Then you wouldn't have so many guns in the game doing five damage a shot to armor.

Modifié par Father Alvito, 13 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[nukular power]

I agree with this, actually. Not usually one to get on the nerftrain but if the Carnifex got nerfed, people would complain about how ****ty the SMG's are more, and then Bioware might do something crazy like make them aim-able.

[Cyonan]

Rodney Chongo wrote...

But it is a competitive game. Otherwise there would be no scores and no "I hates kill-stealers" whiny twits

The game isn't competitive. Humans are.

The game itself doesn't give you anything for doing better than someone else on your team, though.

[xtorma]

Tis a lot of words for one tiny gun.

[BobWalt]

Bioware needs to stop adjusting MP balance by changing the weapons. For a great many people it is already too hard. Please recall that only the most vocal and obsessive of gamers (me included) are on the forums, don't nerf the game for the rest of the community.

[Foxtrot813]

nukular power wrote...

I agree with this, actually. Not usually one to get on the nerftrain but if the Carnifex got nerfed, people would complain about how ****ty the SMG's are more, and then Bioware might do something crazy like make them aim-able.

Then how about we just DO that without nerfing the only gun worth a caster's time?

[dgumb]

Here's the thing about nerfing: the cycle cannot be broken.

If you nerf whatever weapon/loadout the min/maxers are using they'll find the next best combo and use that, and they'll still own compared to other players. So, what do you do then? Nerf that combo. Then the min/maxers will find the next best setup and own with that, and then what? Nerf!

I've seen this happen in so many games, and it always sucks. The fact is, people that care to, will always crunch the numbers and find the optimal build for ownage and leave everyone else behind. It can't be avoided. If you keep nerfing whatever works best, eventually you're left with a game that sucks equally for everyone. Why forum complainers always want this, and seem oblivious to the eventual outcome, is really beyond me.

Modifié par dgumb, 13 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[Apl_Juice]

I agree with OP; way too good considering its weight.

How does a hand cannon that can blow peoples' heads off have less kickback than pretty much every single SMG?

Considering their weight, all the Heavy(lol) Pistols ought to actually BE heavy, or be weaker.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Yes, nerf everything til' it's not fun anymore, so everyone will stop playing MP :/