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#151
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nasonia wrote...

Shad0w Demon666 wrote...

Lets nerf everything so people can stop complaning.


Instead of nerfing, bring in nerf guns. (Do they still make those crappy things IRL)?


Crappy things? I suggest you go to a Toys R Us and go look at Nerf Guns. Not only are they far from crappy, they have completely automatic ones and stuff now. Those things are freaking awesome. 

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Sdrol117 wrote...

nasonia wrote...

Shad0w Demon666 wrote...

Lets nerf everything so people can stop complaning.


Instead of nerfing, bring in nerf guns. (Do they still make those crappy things IRL)?


Crappy things? I suggest you go to a Toys R Us and go look at Nerf Guns. Not only are they far from crappy, they have completely automatic ones and stuff now. Those things are freaking awesome. 


Hah. I just remember them being craptacular as a child.

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A pistol that out damages 90% of the other guns.


A pistol in the codex that gives it a new name in the future.  They are called "heavy pistols," or in the case of the Carnifex and the modded Carnifex fx Paladin, Hand Cannons.

Also your comment brings other issues doesnt it?  IMO the Carnifex at mid range should do good damage, and at close range great damage.  Most of the assualt rifles should be able to do great damage at long-mid, mid and close range..but most of them do dick and either weight nothing or are super heavy.

So whats the real issue here?

That the Carnifex is really good and needs a nerf, or other weapons needs a deep reevaluation?

Modifié par RazRei, 13 avril 2012 - 04:06 .


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The Carnifex already was made 33% heavier at launch. The Paladin, the super-Carnifex, picked up 50% more weight. And it's still one of the few weapons a caster class can use well.

Don't nerf good guns. Buff lesser ones!

Also, I don't know why you'd do anything to tactical cloak. It's the one reason infiltrators are, y'know, stupid good.

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Sdrol117 wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...
Nope, people whining for nerfs in a co-op name just need to get over themselves. Buff weapons that suck so people can have fun with them, dont nerf every gun because you don't like how awesome people are with it. Don't like it, don't use it. There is no competition in this game, there is no reason to whine about things other people use. Hold on, let me write your rebuttle for you:

Waaaaah his gun is better than mine Bioware nerf it naooooo. :crying:

how about you not put words in my mouth F*********



You do realize name calling makes you look like a whiny child who isn't getting his way right? 

thats cool bro

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bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...
Nope, people whining for nerfs in a co-op name just need to get over themselves. Buff weapons that suck so people can have fun with them, dont nerf every gun because you don't like how awesome people are with it. Don't like it, don't use it. There is no competition in this game, there is no reason to whine about things other people use. Hold on, let me write your rebuttle for you:

Waaaaah his gun is better than mine Bioware nerf it naooooo. :crying:

how about you not put words in my mouth F*********



You do realize name calling makes you look like a whiny child who isn't getting his way right? 

thats cool bro


Something, again, that makes a person look like a silly/whiny child. 

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nasonia wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...
Nope, people whining for nerfs in a co-op name just need to get over themselves. Buff weapons that suck so people can have fun with them, dont nerf every gun because you don't like how awesome people are with it. Don't like it, don't use it. There is no competition in this game, there is no reason to whine about things other people use. Hold on, let me write your rebuttle for you:

Waaaaah his gun is better than mine Bioware nerf it naooooo. :crying:

how about you not put words in my mouth F*********



You do realize name calling makes you look like a whiny child who isn't getting his way right? 

thats cool bro


Something, again, that makes a person look like a silly/whiny child. 


I'm guessing my loving of nerf guns puts me in the same category, unfortunately. :pinched:

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bloodDragon80 wrote...
thats cool bro


that was a great additional comment to the conversation at hand

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Sdrol117 wrote...

nasonia wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...
Nope, people whining for nerfs in a co-op name just need to get over themselves. Buff weapons that suck so people can have fun with them, dont nerf every gun because you don't like how awesome people are with it. Don't like it, don't use it. There is no competition in this game, there is no reason to whine about things other people use. Hold on, let me write your rebuttle for you:

Waaaaah his gun is better than mine Bioware nerf it naooooo. :crying:

how about you not put words in my mouth F*********



You do realize name calling makes you look like a whiny child who isn't getting his way right? 

thats cool bro


Something, again, that makes a person look like a silly/whiny child. 


I'm guessing my loving of nerf guns puts me in the same category, unfortunately. :pinched:


Psh, naw. Apparently, you can use them against your blighter/bugger pets to teach them to behave. ;)

(Actually, horrible way to get a dog or cat to "behave", but people still do it). 

At any rate, nerfing the Carnifex is somewhat silly and doesn't really fix the issue of other guns being less viable.

Modifié par nasonia, 13 avril 2012 - 04:12 .


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Sdrol117 wrote...

vonSlash wrote...

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Hello wall of text.


Anyway, let's nerf the Widow, too.

And the Black Widow.

And every other gun worth using.


Unlike the Carnifex, the Widow/Black Widow/etc have enough weight to compensate for their power, so they don't need to be nerfed.


Do they? Since the BW does the most damage out of any gun in the game, and allows you to instantly recloak for some ridiculously high damage multiplier for 2-3 shots? The weight on those guns doesn't matter when tac recloaks cool down isnt affected. You're obviously whining for the sake of whining. 


If you had read my first post, you'd have discovered that my solution to the BW issue is to nerf Cloak's cooldown mechanism, not the Black Widow's damage.

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dividedbyn1ght wrote...

I can't get passed the word wall introduction. I keep losing my place and have to start at the beginning again. :(

You must not read a lot.

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Completely agree with the OP.

Not surprised that all the ADHD kids call this a wall of text, nor by the fact that they don't have the faintest idea about balance or why it is needed. Most of them would gladly take a tactical cloak buff reducing the cooldown to a nanosecond, and why not a rapid fire Widow while were at it. Variety keeps the game fresh. This game does a good job at enforcing teamwork, but could have been even better if the cloak sniper shots had been useful only when dealing with the biggest and baddest enemies. And a weapon that gives you a 200% cooldown bonus should have some more drawbacks than the Carnifex currently has.

And the prize for stupidest argument goes to all those who say that balance isn't at all needed in a PvE game. Wow.

No balance, no fun. Also: Hard game = fun. Make game harder. Nerf some of the weapons rather than buffing the rest.

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Buff the Tactical Cloak?. You sir are.. wrong. Spamming Widow shots is what saves the game for most people. It's saved me countless times against Pyros and Geth Hunters.

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Carnifex isn't even the best pistol.

Phalanx is. B)

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Not even gonna..

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staindgrey wrote...

Carnifex isn't even the best pistol.

Phalanx is. B)


Surprisigly, in the hands of the right user, the Phalanx is so godly overpowered for a common. That gun should be a rare. 

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Killahead wrote...

Completely agree with the OP.

Not surprised that all the ADHD kids call this a wall of text, nor by the fact that they don't have the faintest idea about balance or why it is needed. Most of them would gladly take a tactical cloak buff reducing the cooldown to a nanosecond, and why not a rapid fire Widow while were at it. Variety keeps the game fresh. This game does a good job at enforcing teamwork, but could have been even better if the cloak sniper shots had been useful only when dealing with the biggest and baddest enemies. And a weapon that gives you a 200% cooldown bonus should have some more drawbacks than the Carnifex currently has.

And the prize for stupidest argument goes to all those who say that balance isn't at all needed in a PvE game. Wow.

No balance, no fun. Also: Hard game = fun. Make game harder. Nerf some of the weapons rather than buffing the rest.


As an ADHD kid who was totally able to read said wall of text, I'm inclined to believe that you're stereotyping.

Also, is the Carnifex really so bad, balance-wise? It's basically all I use, so maybe I've got nothing to compare it to...

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Laser Jim wrote...

Killahead wrote...

Completely agree with the OP.

Not surprised that all the ADHD kids call this a wall of text, nor by the fact that they don't have the faintest idea about balance or why it is needed. Most of them would gladly take a tactical cloak buff reducing the cooldown to a nanosecond, and why not a rapid fire Widow while were at it. Variety keeps the game fresh. This game does a good job at enforcing teamwork, but could have been even better if the cloak sniper shots had been useful only when dealing with the biggest and baddest enemies. And a weapon that gives you a 200% cooldown bonus should have some more drawbacks than the Carnifex currently has.

And the prize for stupidest argument goes to all those who say that balance isn't at all needed in a PvE game. Wow.

No balance, no fun. Also: Hard game = fun. Make game harder. Nerf some of the weapons rather than buffing the rest.


As an ADHD kid who was totally able to read said wall of text, I'm inclined to believe that you're stereotyping.

Also, is the Carnifex really so bad, balance-wise? It's basically all I use, so maybe I've got nothing to compare it to...


Nope. Shotguns do hella more damage, snipers do hella more damage, assault rifles, SMGs, and the phalanx (an extremely powerful underated pistol) all hold more bullets, it has an extremely slow rate of fire even compared to the BW, And one missed shot can prove fatal on Gold, it requires you to be very accurate, and not all people can use it effectively because of that. 

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They should nerf the community/players THATS where almost every damn problem with the game is.....................................the weapons,enemies,characters and powers are perfectly fine and were so from day 1 IMO.

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Carnifex is fine when compared to other good guns. Really the only class that I consistently use it on is the Asari Adept / Asari Vanguard. I think lots of other guns need a buff, though, especially SMGs and ARs.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 avril 2012 - 04:25 .


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Sdrol117 wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Carnifex isn't even the best pistol.

Phalanx is. B)


Surprisigly, in the hands of the right user, the Phalanx is so godly overpowered for a common. That gun should be a rare. 


I agree. While the Carnifex is definitely more powerful without question, I love the Phalanx's quicker firing. Add a barrel and scope, and it's a better rapidfire sniper than the actual multi-shot snipers.

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Laser Jim wrote...
As an ADHD kid who was totally able to read said wall of text, I'm inclined to believe that you're stereotyping.


Sorry about that, I generally hate stereotyping and I try not to ever do it. When I say ADHD kids I am more refering to a state of mind, an attitude if you will, towards everything that isn't immediate and self explaining, rather than the actual diagnose. Some of the smartest and most interesting people I know have ADHD.

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Nein. Buff other weapons to be equally powerful.

Albeit if you use expanded thermal clips 11-12 shot with each the potential to one-hit kill lesser foes IS really, really powerful. I find that, for their low, low weight, Pistols in general are really a bit on the OP side. BUT let's buff the rest before nerfing them, plz Bioware.

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You sir...are high.



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nasonia wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...
Nope, people whining for nerfs in a co-op name just need to get over themselves. Buff weapons that suck so people can have fun with them, dont nerf every gun because you don't like how awesome people are with it. Don't like it, don't use it. There is no competition in this game, there is no reason to whine about things other people use. Hold on, let me write your rebuttle for you:

Waaaaah his gun is better than mine Bioware nerf it naooooo. :crying:

how about you not put words in my mouth F*********



You do realize name calling makes you look like a whiny child who isn't getting his way right? 

thats cool bro


Something, again, that makes a person look like a silly/whiny child. 

how very fascinating please continue