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[majinbuu1307]

• Important, before you type a single letter to comment on this, read 100% of the post, or I will ignore you.
• Also, I will never let this thread die:) and Bioware employees of course are welcome to discuss too:)
• The guide about the Catalyst's logic is at the very bottom if you want to skip to that.
• See also-Occam's razor.

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game."

Remember this line from Casey Hudson.

        When you finish Mass effect 3, however you may feel about it,  it is the end, this can not be argued. 
You can not use the upcoming DLC in your argument because it STILL is the end, just further clarified; details and scenes added to make you understand better what happened to everything you cared about. They did NOT know this backlash would happen, they made that clear, meaning the ending, is really the ending. Remember this fact.

"It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things,"

• This is what he meant by 16 different endings. 3 main ones with obvious differences, colors aside, with lots of smaller differences, but important onces. Such as; If you don't have enough EMS, not enough good scientists working on the Crucible, most likely not fine tuned, and when it fires, it burns the earth to a crisp basically. We'll just consider that - Bad ending #4 Other things like forces getting wiped out, that whole last battle is part of the ending. 

      Now, on to the meat. The main agreed upon part of the theory, is that Shepard does not make it to the Citadel at all, but wakes up after the beam hits(or missed but the shockwave still knocks him out, clearly he cannot get hit head on.) 
If this is true. There is one simple, simple problem, at the very START of the theory. That means, If you choose the Destroy ending(being in your head, breaking the Indoctrination) and have a high enough EMS, You see the Shep_Alive ending, theorists believing he is in the rubble in london.  Lets just believe for a minute that this is true.
(Remember first quotations by Casey) 

The Reapers, the problem since game one, are still around. He cannot shut them down, in his head. You cannot argue around this. The Reapers are still there. They will destroy everything. They cannot be defeated by conventional means.

•                         This means the game is unfinished, what happens after Shep wakes up? Does he try to go to the Citadel for real this time? Seems a bit redundant. Why show what happens after he breaks control?(the Crucible firing, relays disabled, etc etc) Seems weird for him to dream that too, if he already broke control eh? Re-read this part, more than once, and the previous paragraph, again and again, before you think of a counter argument. 

    Now, with that said, dismissing indoctrination theory, the other theory, is that Shepard survived reentry, and lands in London rubble. I won't even argue this. It's too rediculous.

•      Finally, the most logical answer out of the three possibilities most have presented. Shepard is ACTUALLY on the Citadel, those events happened, and this is closure, however you may feel about the ending. Shepard chooses Destroy, blows up the tube/device, gets covered by an explosion(which we have seen people survive worse, game one, Shepard had a Reaper leg fall on him pretty much, game two, didn't incinerate during reentry)

      The rest is off screen, we have no idea what happens, we have no idea if Shepard was just covered in the explosion but made it out and start running, he did have a sudden burst of confidence and energy and was no longer limping as he walked and shot the tube. It is very possible he came out of that small burst and ran to an exit, possibly one created by the Catalyst once again.

    Still following? Hope so.  Now, if  he found an exit off that platform, we have some hope, but the ending scene shows some explosions around where shepard is supposed to be, but we do not, I repeat, we DO NOT see it the ring break to peices, or even break at all, suggesting much of it is very much intact on the inside. The arms then come apart, and it is still in orbit last we see. 

       This means he could very well be alive, and in CITADEL rubble, not LONDON rubble. I'll leave the silly argument about what the rubble and cords looks like to the nitpickers. Fact is it is too close a shot to see for certain. Even Jessica M. states her belief(while not GOD) is that Shep is on the Citadel. And she has seen content that none of us have, so she is alittle more in the loop than we are. (oh dear I brought her up, so now thats all you will talk about and ignore the rest of my thread, go ahead children.)

•                           To sum up, Destroy ending is by far the best ending, and the further Extended Cut will let us know other details, possibly how Shep can meet up with crew and LI, or if rebuilding of the Relays is possible.

And now for the grand finale. PLEASE, please read and follow every, single, word. The Catalyst's logic was correct. I know, I know, blasphemy. HEAR me out.

[list][*]Catalyst-Reapers exist to stop synthetics from destroying ALL(not just advanced, this is key) Life.[*]If synthetics where to be allowed, their calculations(over probably a billion or so years of evidence) is that the synthetics always eventually rebel, time needed is irrelevant. Geth could still possibly rebel again for another reason in 500 years, 1000 years, 20,000 years. Key point -Possibility of synthetics wiping out ALL organic life, not just advanced, total extinction of organics instead of making way for new ones-[*]The reapers could not simply wipe out the synthetics that popped up, because that leaves the advanced organics, to continue advancing, and could possibly, and most likely inevitably create synthetics that could overpower even the reapers, and if that happens, and then the synthetics also wipe out ALL organics, this is not good. Synthetics would always advance faster than organics and always win after the technological singularity.[*]All three endings however, break the cycle in some form or another. But there is always the possibility of everything repeating itself, even in synthesis ending. Could still create pure synthetics that could overtake them, they are part organic and limited in that sense. Take the infinite loop for what you will. Biowares problem was they made it too grand scale. It is like trying to figure out how the universe doesn't have an end, but then you gotta think, if it has an end, theres always gotta be something past that, your mind will fry.[*]As for the Crucible's "space magic, Anything so very much more advanced than the tech we currently have will always be viewed as unexplainable and "magic." If a pilgrim saw a flatscreen tv with avatar playing, they would scream witchcraft.


Anddddd...thats a wrap. Have a blast.

Modifié par majinbuu1307, 13 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[majinbuu1307]

FTL forums speed bump

[DoomManiac]

you have failed,we will find another way

[majinbuu1307]

DoomManiac wrote...

you have failed,we will find another way

Lol well hurry up and tell me:pinched:

[majinbuu1307]

geez, threads are flying, bump

[III Achilles II]

Let's just break this down.

Game ending- a point in the story where the narrative concludes

ME3 was promised to be an extremely amazing ending. The fight up the citadel is extremely awesome and so is the "Goodbye" to the crew. It concluded at a CLIFFHANGER. It is still an ending and your understanding of what you thought the ending would be is what is upsetting you.

You are hung up on the fact that DLC or ME4 is not an option and that's where your logic seems to bind you in your little box.

Think outside the box.

1. You are right. Reapers are still alive.
2. That means Truth DLC or ME4 will come next. Finish fight against Reapers and Collector's.


Regarding the Bioware quotes:
1. People are twisting their words.
2. If you told your gf you never wanted to get married, would you then tell her you wanted to get married before getting engaged or would you SUPRISE her with an engagement. Regardless of what was said, they planned on suprising their fans.
3. We are talking about Bioware who killed off their main character in the beginning of ME2. They've done some pretty crazy crap.
4. Many in-game items point to Indoc.
5. Bioware has had many opp. to deny Indoc.
6. Jessica has seen new content and has created a Indoc playthrough.
7. IT'S A THEORY. It's a discussion of the game. Not grasping at straws. My proof is ME1 and ME2. The writers are not idiots and I give them more credit to create such an intricate ending.
8. If you know what the ending DLC is then please post it for everyone. Otherwise, NO ONE but BIOWARE knows what the ending DLC is. IF INDOC WAS INTENDED, then they will lay it all out for people who do not understand.
9. There could be more DLC on the way. MP DLC came out this past week and they only announced it 5 days before it came out.

Modifié par III Achilles II, 13 avril 2012 - 01:07 .

[jules_vern18]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

  "This story arc is coming to an end with this game."

Remember this line from Casey Hudson.

        When you finish Mass effect 3, however you may feel about it,  it is the end, this can not be argued. 
You can not use the upcoming DLC in your argument because it STILL is the end, just further clarified; details and scenes added to make you understand better what happened to everything you cared about. They did NOT know this backlash would happen, they made that clear, meaning the ending, is really the ending. Remember this fact.

"It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things,"

This is what he meant by 16 different endings. 3 main ones with obvious differences, colors aside, with lots of smaller differences, but important onces. Such as; If you don't have enough EMS, not enough good scientists working on the Crucible, most likely not fine tuned, and when it fires, it burns the earth to a crisp basically. We'll just consider that - Bad ending #4 Other things like forces getting wiped out, that whole last battle is part of the ending. 

      Now, on to the meat. The main agreed upon part of the theory, is that Shepard does not make it to the Citadel at all, but wakes up after the beam hits(or missed but the shockwave still knocks him out, clearly he cannot get hit head on.) 
If this is true. There is one simple, simple problem, at the very START of the theory. That means, If you choose the Destroy ending(being in your head, breaking the Indoctrination) and have a high enough EMS, You see the Shep_Alive ending, theorists believing he is in the rubble in london.  Lets just believe for a minute that this is true.
(Remember first quotations by Casey) 

The Reapers, the problem since game one, are still around. He cannot shut them down, in his head. You cannot argue around this. The Reapers are still there. They will destroy everything. They cannot be defeated by conventional means.

                        This means the game is unfinished, what happens after Shep wakes up? Does he try to go to the Citadel for real this time? Seems a bit redundant. Why show what happens after he breaks control?(the Crucible firing, relays disabled, etc etc) Seems weird for him to dream that too, if he already broke control eh? Re-read this part, more than once, and the previous paragraph, again and again, before you think of a counter argument. 

    Now, with that said, dismissing indoctrination theory, the other theory, is that Shepard survived reentry, and lands in London rubble. I won't even argue this. It's too rediculous.

     Finally, the most logical answer out of the three possibilities most have presented. Shepard is ACTUALLY on the Citadel, those events happened, and this is closure, however you may feel about the ending. Shepard chooses Destroy, blows up the tube/device, gets covered by an explosion(which we have seen people survive worse, game one, Shepard had a Reaper leg fall on him pretty much, game two, didn't incinerate during reentry)
      The rest is off screen, we have no idea what happens, we have no idea if Shepard was just covered in the explosion but made it out and start running, he did have a sudden burst of confidence and energy and was no longer limping as he walked and shot the tube. It is very possible he came out of that small burst and ran to an exit, possibly one created by the Catalyst once again.

    Still following? Hope so.  Now, if  he found an exit off that platform, we have some hope, but the ending scene shows some explosions around where shepard is supposed to be, but we do not, I repeat, we DO NOT see it the ring break to peices, or even break at all, suggesting much of it is very much intact on the inside. The arms then come apart, and it is still in orbit last we see. 

       This means he could very well be alive, and in CITADEL rubble, not LONDON rubble. I'll leave the silly argument about what the rubble and cords looks like to the nitpickers. Fact is it is too close a shot to see for certain. Even Jessica M. states her belief(while not GOD) is that Shep is on the Citadel. And she has seen content that none of us have, so she is alittle more in the loop than we are. (oh dear I brought her up, so now thats all you will talk about and ignore the rest of my thread, go ahead children.)

                          To sum up, Destroy ending is by far the best ending, and the further Extended Cut will let us know other details, possibly how Shep can meet up with crew and LI, or if rebuilding of the Relays is possible.







Anddddd...thats a wrap. Have a blast.

Sorry OP, this post is only MORE proof that IT is true!!!!1!!

[PhotonMaze]

III Achilles II wrote...

Let's just break this down.

Game ending- a point in the story where the narrative concludes

ME3 was promised to be an extremely amazing ending. The fight up the citadel is extremely awesome and so is the "Goodbye" to the crew. It concluded at a CLIFFHANGER. It is still an ending and your understanding of what you thought the ending would be is what is upsetting you.

You are hung up on the fact that DLC or ME4 is not an option and that's where your logic seems to bind you in your little box.

Think outside the box.

1. You are right. Reapers are still alive.
2. That means Truth DLC or ME4 will come next. Finish fight against Reapers and Collector's.


Regarding the Bioware quotes:
1. People are twisting their words.
2. If you told your gf you never wanted to get married, would you then tell her you wanted to get married before getting engaged or would you SUPRISE her with an engagement. Regardless of what was said, they planned on suprising their fans.
3. We are talking about Bioware who killed off their main character in the beginning of ME2. They've done some pretty crazy crap.
4. Many in-game items point to Indoc.
5. Bioware has had many opp. to deny Indoc.
6. Jessica has seen new content and has created a Indoc playthrough.
7. IT'S A THEORY. It's a discussion of the game. Not grasping at straws. My proof is ME1 and ME2. The writers are not idiots and I give them more credit to create such an intricate ending.
8. If you know what the ending DLC is then please post it for everyone. Otherwise, NO ONE but BIOWARE knows what the ending DLC is. IF INDOC WAS INTENDED, then they will lay it all out for people who do not understand.
9. There could be more DLC on the way. MP DLC came out this past week and they only announced it 5 days before it came out.

Summed up my thoughts perfectly.

[majinbuu1307]

III Achilles II wrote...

Let's just break this down.

Game ending- a point in the story where the narrative concludes

ME3 was promised to be an extremely amazing ending. The fight up the citadel is extremely awesome and so is the "Goodbye" to the crew.

You are hung up on the fact that DLC or ME4 is not an option and that's where your logic seems to bind you in your little box.

Think outside the box.

1. You are right. Reapers are still alive.
2. That means Truth DLC or ME4 will come next. Finish fight against Reapers and Collector's.


Regarding the Bioware quotes:
1. People are twisting their words.
2. If you told your gf you never wanted to get married, would you then tell her you wanted to get married before getting engaged or would you SUPRISE her with an engagement.
3. We are talking about Bioware who killed off their main character in the beginning of ME2. They've done some pretty crazy crap.
4. Many in-game items point to Indoc.
5. Bioware has had many opp. to deny Indoc.
6. Jessica has seen new content and has created a Indoc playthrough.
7. IT'S A THEORY. It's a discussion of the game. Not grasping at straws. My proof is ME1 and ME2. The writers are not idiots and I give them more credit to create such an intricate ending.
8. If you know what the ending DLC is then please post it for everyone. Otherwise, NO ONE but BIOWARE knows what the ending DLC is. IF INDOC WAS INTENDED, then they will lay it all out for people who do not understand.
9. There could be more DLC on the way. MP DLC came out this past week and they only announced it 5 days before it came out.

Let me stop you at ME4. If there is a ME4, was it not confirmed that any further mass effect games, would either not take place after 3, but before or during, and not be Shepards story.
Now, if Shepard is alive, and the reapers are still alive, ME4 would very much still be Shepards problem. 
Case closed right there.

[majinbuu1307]

jules_vern18 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

  "This story arc is coming to an end with this game."

Remember this line from Casey Hudson.

        When you finish Mass effect 3, however you may feel about it,  it is the end, this can not be argued. 
You can not use the upcoming DLC in your argument because it STILL is the end, just further clarified; details and scenes added to make you understand better what happened to everything you cared about. They did NOT know this backlash would happen, they made that clear, meaning the ending, is really the ending. Remember this fact.

"It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things,"

This is what he meant by 16 different endings. 3 main ones with obvious differences, colors aside, with lots of smaller differences, but important onces. Such as; If you don't have enough EMS, not enough good scientists working on the Crucible, most likely not fine tuned, and when it fires, it burns the earth to a crisp basically. We'll just consider that - Bad ending #4 Other things like forces getting wiped out, that whole last battle is part of the ending. 

      Now, on to the meat. The main agreed upon part of the theory, is that Shepard does not make it to the Citadel at all, but wakes up after the beam hits(or missed but the shockwave still knocks him out, clearly he cannot get hit head on.) 
If this is true. There is one simple, simple problem, at the very START of the theory. That means, If you choose the Destroy ending(being in your head, breaking the Indoctrination) and have a high enough EMS, You see the Shep_Alive ending, theorists believing he is in the rubble in london.  Lets just believe for a minute that this is true.
(Remember first quotations by Casey) 

The Reapers, the problem since game one, are still around. He cannot shut them down, in his head. You cannot argue around this. The Reapers are still there. They will destroy everything. They cannot be defeated by conventional means.

                        This means the game is unfinished, what happens after Shep wakes up? Does he try to go to the Citadel for real this time? Seems a bit redundant. Why show what happens after he breaks control?(the Crucible firing, relays disabled, etc etc) Seems weird for him to dream that too, if he already broke control eh? Re-read this part, more than once, and the previous paragraph, again and again, before you think of a counter argument. 

    Now, with that said, dismissing indoctrination theory, the other theory, is that Shepard survived reentry, and lands in London rubble. I won't even argue this. It's too rediculous.

     Finally, the most logical answer out of the three possibilities most have presented. Shepard is ACTUALLY on the Citadel, those events happened, and this is closure, however you may feel about the ending. Shepard chooses Destroy, blows up the tube/device, gets covered by an explosion(which we have seen people survive worse, game one, Shepard had a Reaper leg fall on him pretty much, game two, didn't incinerate during reentry)
      The rest is off screen, we have no idea what happens, we have no idea if Shepard was just covered in the explosion but made it out and start running, he did have a sudden burst of confidence and energy and was no longer limping as he walked and shot the tube. It is very possible he came out of that small burst and ran to an exit, possibly one created by the Catalyst once again.

    Still following? Hope so.  Now, if  he found an exit off that platform, we have some hope, but the ending scene shows some explosions around where shepard is supposed to be, but we do not, I repeat, we DO NOT see it the ring break to peices, or even break at all, suggesting much of it is very much intact on the inside. The arms then come apart, and it is still in orbit last we see. 

       This means he could very well be alive, and in CITADEL rubble, not LONDON rubble. I'll leave the silly argument about what the rubble and cords looks like to the nitpickers. Fact is it is too close a shot to see for certain. Even Jessica M. states her belief(while not GOD) is that Shep is on the Citadel. And she has seen content that none of us have, so she is alittle more in the loop than we are. (oh dear I brought her up, so now thats all you will talk about and ignore the rest of my thread, go ahead children.)

                          To sum up, Destroy ending is by far the best ending, and the further Extended Cut will let us know other details, possibly how Shep can meet up with crew and LI, or if rebuilding of the Relays is possible.







Anddddd...thats a wrap. Have a blast.

Sorry OP, this post is only MORE proof that IT is true!!!!1!!

*facepalm*

[majinbuu1307]

bumpity

[III Achilles II]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

III Achilles II wrote...

Let's just break this down.

Game ending- a point in the story where the narrative concludes

ME3 was promised to be an extremely amazing ending. The fight up the citadel is extremely awesome and so is the "Goodbye" to the crew.

You are hung up on the fact that DLC or ME4 is not an option and that's where your logic seems to bind you in your little box.

Think outside the box.

1. You are right. Reapers are still alive.
2. That means Truth DLC or ME4 will come next. Finish fight against Reapers and Collector's.


Regarding the Bioware quotes:
1. People are twisting their words.
2. If you told your gf you never wanted to get married, would you then tell her you wanted to get married before getting engaged or would you SUPRISE her with an engagement.
3. We are talking about Bioware who killed off their main character in the beginning of ME2. They've done some pretty crazy crap.
4. Many in-game items point to Indoc.
5. Bioware has had many opp. to deny Indoc.
6. Jessica has seen new content and has created a Indoc playthrough.
7. IT'S A THEORY. It's a discussion of the game. Not grasping at straws. My proof is ME1 and ME2. The writers are not idiots and I give them more credit to create such an intricate ending.
8. If you know what the ending DLC is then please post it for everyone. Otherwise, NO ONE but BIOWARE knows what the ending DLC is. IF INDOC WAS INTENDED, then they will lay it all out for people who do not understand.
9. There could be more DLC on the way. MP DLC came out this past week and they only announced it 5 days before it came out.

Let me stop you at ME4. If there is a ME4, was it not confirmed that any further mass effect games, would either not take place after 3, but before or during, and not be Shepards story.
Now, if Shepard is alive, and the reapers are still alive, ME4 would very much still be Shepards problem. 
Case closed right there.

Let's look empircally. Name another hero on another console who's game's stopped at 3. Zelda, Samus, Mario, Snake, etc.

But one interesting example is HALO. A triliogy is what they said and guess who is the star of Halo 4. MC.
The other interesting thing is the ending of 3 left fans with a CLIFFHANGER THAT MC WAS ALIVE.

Sound familiar.

If Bioware wanted to suprise their fans, who announce it early instead of just leaving a cliffhanger at ME3 that shows Shepard alive. He is either coming back in DLC or ME4.

Modifié par III Achilles II, 13 avril 2012 - 01:15 .

[majinbuu1307]

speed bump

[DoomManiac]

its all because of Little Jimmy...

[kal_reegar]

you're right, IF the end we've seen is the end of the trilogy, indoc theory makes no sense. It's pointless and useless

but casey's words aren't an immutable dogma, he can still change his mind.
CASEY/BIOWARE, IT'S NOT OVER YET! YOU CAN STILL REDIME YOURSELF!

[majinbuu1307]

III Achilles II wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

III Achilles II wrote...

Let's just break this down.

Game ending- a point in the story where the narrative concludes

ME3 was promised to be an extremely amazing ending. The fight up the citadel is extremely awesome and so is the "Goodbye" to the crew.

You are hung up on the fact that DLC or ME4 is not an option and that's where your logic seems to bind you in your little box.

Think outside the box.

1. You are right. Reapers are still alive.
2. That means Truth DLC or ME4 will come next. Finish fight against Reapers and Collector's.


Regarding the Bioware quotes:
1. People are twisting their words.
2. If you told your gf you never wanted to get married, would you then tell her you wanted to get married before getting engaged or would you SUPRISE her with an engagement.
3. We are talking about Bioware who killed off their main character in the beginning of ME2. They've done some pretty crazy crap.
4. Many in-game items point to Indoc.
5. Bioware has had many opp. to deny Indoc.
6. Jessica has seen new content and has created a Indoc playthrough.
7. IT'S A THEORY. It's a discussion of the game. Not grasping at straws. My proof is ME1 and ME2. The writers are not idiots and I give them more credit to create such an intricate ending.
8. If you know what the ending DLC is then please post it for everyone. Otherwise, NO ONE but BIOWARE knows what the ending DLC is. IF INDOC WAS INTENDED, then they will lay it all out for people who do not understand.
9. There could be more DLC on the way. MP DLC came out this past week and they only announced it 5 days before it came out.

Let me stop you at ME4. If there is a ME4, was it not confirmed that any further mass effect games, would either not take place after 3, but before or during, and not be Shepards story.
Now, if Shepard is alive, and the reapers are still alive, ME4 would very much still be Shepards problem. 
Case closed right there.

Let's look empircally. Name another hero on another console who's game's stopped at 3. Zelda, Samus, Mario, Snake, etc.

But one interesting example is HALO. A triliogy is what they said and guess who is the star of Halo 4. MC.
The other interesting thing is the ending of 3 left fans with a CLIFFHANGER THAT MC WAS ALIVE.

Sound familiar.

If Bioware wanted to suprise their fans, who announce it early instead of just leaving a cliffhanger at ME3 that shows Shepard alive. He is either coming back in DLC or ME4.

While they said for CERTAIN that this is the end of Sheps story, I do not doubt they will make spin offs or a possible MMO.

[majinbuu1307]

kal_reegar wrote...

you're right, IF the end we've seen is the end of the trilogy, indoc theory makes no sense. It's pointless and useless

but casey's words aren't an immutable dogma, he can still change his mind.
CASEY/BIOWARE, IT'S NOT OVER YET! YOU CAN STILL REDIME YOURSELF!

Think you mean Redeem:P but yeah, the ending makes sense if you actually look into everything, took me a while, but I got past the rage and understood the ending. Indoc theory just makes everything, well, stupid.

[III Achilles II]

kal_reegar wrote...

you're right, IF the end we've seen is the end of the trilogy, indoc theory makes no sense. It's pointless and useless

but casey's words aren't an immutable dogma, he can still change his mind.
CASEY/BIOWARE, IT'S NOT OVER YET! YOU CAN STILL REDIME YOURSELF!

But if this is the end, then why is Shepard only kept alive in just the "Destroy" ending? 

Shepard wakes up and this serves no purpose if this is the end of the trilogy and Shepard will not come back. I give Bioware more credit and believe this was put in for a reason.

[Iconoclaste]

I don't have a problem with a well argumented opinion. And I can understand IT tenants can do the same, but I bet they wont. That's too bad, because I'm sure their is some truth in IT relating to strange things happening in the game and at the end, but I'm not convinced at all about Shepard being sleeping all along.

[III Achilles II]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

kal_reegar wrote...

you're right, IF the end we've seen is the end of the trilogy, indoc theory makes no sense. It's pointless and useless

but casey's words aren't an immutable dogma, he can still change his mind.
CASEY/BIOWARE, IT'S NOT OVER YET! YOU CAN STILL REDIME YOURSELF!

Think you mean Redeem:P but yeah, the ending makes sense if you actually look into everything, took me a while, but I got past the rage and understood the ending. Indoc theory just makes everything, well, stupid.

What has made this certain this is the end of Shepard's story? 

It's funny that so many trash talk EA for money grubbing, but no one believes that they wouldn't extend the series of Commander Shepard. He is their MC! 

Indoc. makes a lot of sense.

It's a gateway choice. Yes the other endings don't matter. Just like your choice in romancing Morinth in ME2 or dying at the end of ME2. There is nothing that comes after those decisions. The same could be said about ME3's endings besides destroy.

[SuperVulcan]

Mr. Hudson has said other things about Mass Effect 3 that were not necessarily accurate. Not that I believe the IT is true. In fact, I've heard of it but never looked into it, sounds like an attempt to grasp straws.

[III Achilles II]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I don't have a problem with a well argumented opinion. And I can understand IT tenants can do the same, but I bet they wont. That's too bad, because I'm sure their is some truth in IT relating to strange things happening in the game and at the end, but I'm not convinced at all about Shepard being sleeping all along.

sleeping all along? IDK about that, but the ending could have happend in a second. I have dreams that seemed forever but were like 10 minutes long.

If you haven't seen it, there is a youtube video. Search "Mass Effect: indoc theory (new)" It goes through all three games and has some GREAT POINTS with in game video and dialogue. It makes a TON of SENSE.

[majinbuu1307]

III Achilles II wrote...

kal_reegar wrote...

you're right, IF the end we've seen is the end of the trilogy, indoc theory makes no sense. It's pointless and useless

but casey's words aren't an immutable dogma, he can still change his mind.
CASEY/BIOWARE, IT'S NOT OVER YET! YOU CAN STILL REDIME YOURSELF!

But if this is the end, then why is Shepard only kept alive in just the "Destroy" ending? 

Shepard wakes up and this serves no purpose if this is the end of the trilogy and Shepard will not come back. I give Bioware more credit and believe this was put in for a reason.

Because in the other two endings he pretty much disintegrates.

[majinbuu1307]

SuperVulcan wrote...

Mr. Hudson has said other things about Mass Effect 3 that were not necessarily accurate. Not that I believe the IT is true. In fact, I've heard of it but never looked into it, sounds like an attempt to grasp straws.

It is:)