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[majinbuu1307]

FS3D wrote...

TL;DR.

I did catch bits and pieces, and one thing I will say is this.

I don't care whether people accept the Indoctrination idea or not (and I'm not going to insult anyone's intelligence by giving it the highly lauded title of a Theory, because it isn't)...

The ending was poorly executed and completely tore apart narrative coherence.

BioWare needs to fix it.

I will agree that there needs to be more to the ending. See final fantasy. They don't usually end their games with a 2 minute scene. a 60-100+ hour game/series needs a long ending, Hell, look at metal gear solid 4. Now thats perfection in an ending.

[SimplePlan2k8]

Erm you do appear to have just flat out ignored various plot holes...

So based on your theory, Shepard shoots Anderson, who recoils from the impact but somehow repels the bullet back to Shepard who doesn't exhibit a wound or bleed from the shot for a good 5 minutes? Moving right along...

[majinbuu1307]

ShadowOptik wrote...

 This is a must read. Thank you Original Poster!

Thank you:) tell that to Elite Midget, Who clearly did not read it, but thought I must be some sort of genius or english major to post here.

[majinbuu1307]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

Erm you do appear to have just flat out ignored various plot holes...

So based on your theory, Shepard shoots Anderson, who recoils from the impact but somehow repels the bullet back to Shepard who doesn't exhibit a wound or bleed from the shot for a good 5 minutes? Moving right along...

The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

[balance5050]

But... nothing disproves it as an interpretation.

[ryuasiu]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

This is what, your 4th thread trying to kill IT and tell those that think IT is correct is stupid? At least you are being civil in this thread so I am going to assume you learned trolling and flaming does not work and this is not just an elaborate attempt to troll again.

Getting back on topic there are really smart things in IT, like the fact that you see oily shadows in your dreams, and there of course holes in it. But IMHO it has the least amount of holes then most of the other ideas and theories out there. The only way we will know for sure is waiting for the extended cut or bioware flat out stating what is really going on.

I also find fault with the synthetic argument. the Geth did not threaten all life. The were defending themselves from their creators, and when the creators ran they did not chase them down. The geth remained in the system for 300 years and never attacked anyone unless they entered their system. The only reason they started attacking was because of the...yep reapers. So let me get this straight star child, you are trying to save us from synthetics because they will always attack organics...but you forced millions of peaceful Geth that just wanted to survive, to kill organics?

What happens right now does not matter to the catalyst. It does not care that the Geth are OK guys for for first 300 years, what happens when some war breaks out 20,000 years later? And imagine how advanced the geth would be then. Geth decide we are a danger to them, attack. Catalyst sees itself justified.

That was only one part of my argument, the other half was, if they are so concerend about synthetic life killing organics, then why push synthetic life to kill organics? While I am thinking of it why do the reapers upgrade the Geths codes if they dont want them to become more advance thus more dangerous? Would'nt upgrading the geth with reaper tech make it possible for them to become a threat?

Push synthetic life to kill organic? Do you mean pushing the reapers to kill organics? Clarify please. 
And the Reapers knew that even with this code they where no match for them. Using as pawns, then throw them away. Shepard interferes and the reaper code is their own and they aren't pawns for the reapers anymore.

The reapers dont want synthetics to kill organics, so soverign (a reaper) forces Geth (Synthetic) to kill organics that they (Geth) had no intent to kill organics. I know your saying they were just being pawns, but if thats true why not start taking out the geth now that they are in full force? They do not need the geth as pawns anymore so why are they not only still using them but they upgraded their codes? If the reapers truely believe that synthetics can evolve faster then its a danger to give them such a huge upgrade as it will cause them to upgrade faster.

   Also the self bumps are a bit annoying. If people dont want to discuss, they dont want to discuss. It might be becuase the last few times you posted on the subject was just basicly 'LOL you IT people are dumb'. Although you are actually being plesant and as long as you remain civil and plesant I do not mind to continue this discusion

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

But... nothing disproves it as an interpretation.

Well true i guess, but i could see jesus in toast, doesn't mean thats actually jesus giving me a sign:P

[SimplePlan2k8]

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

[majinbuu1307]

ryuasiu wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

This is what, your 4th thread trying to kill IT and tell those that think IT is correct is stupid? At least you are being civil in this thread so I am going to assume you learned trolling and flaming does not work and this is not just an elaborate attempt to troll again.

Getting back on topic there are really smart things in IT, like the fact that you see oily shadows in your dreams, and there of course holes in it. But IMHO it has the least amount of holes then most of the other ideas and theories out there. The only way we will know for sure is waiting for the extended cut or bioware flat out stating what is really going on.

I also find fault with the synthetic argument. the Geth did not threaten all life. The were defending themselves from their creators, and when the creators ran they did not chase them down. The geth remained in the system for 300 years and never attacked anyone unless they entered their system. The only reason they started attacking was because of the...yep reapers. So let me get this straight star child, you are trying to save us from synthetics because they will always attack organics...but you forced millions of peaceful Geth that just wanted to survive, to kill organics?

What happens right now does not matter to the catalyst. It does not care that the Geth are OK guys for for first 300 years, what happens when some war breaks out 20,000 years later? And imagine how advanced the geth would be then. Geth decide we are a danger to them, attack. Catalyst sees itself justified.

That was only one part of my argument, the other half was, if they are so concerend about synthetic life killing organics, then why push synthetic life to kill organics? While I am thinking of it why do the reapers upgrade the Geths codes if they dont want them to become more advance thus more dangerous? Would'nt upgrading the geth with reaper tech make it possible for them to become a threat?

Push synthetic life to kill organic? Do you mean pushing the reapers to kill organics? Clarify please. 
And the Reapers knew that even with this code they where no match for them. Using as pawns, then throw them away. Shepard interferes and the reaper code is their own and they aren't pawns for the reapers anymore.

The reapers dont want synthetics to kill organics, so soverign (a reaper) forces Geth (Synthetic) to kill organics that they (Geth) had no intent to kill organics. I know your saying they were just being pawns, but if thats true why not start taking out the geth now that they are in full force? They do not need the geth as pawns anymore so why are they not only still using them but they upgraded their codes? If the reapers truely believe that synthetics can evolve faster then its a danger to give them such a huge upgrade as it will cause them to upgrade faster.

   Also the self bumps are a bit annoying. If people dont want to discuss, they dont want to discuss. It might be becuase the last few times you posted on the subject was just basicly 'LOL you IT people are dumb'. Although you are actually being plesant and as long as you remain civil and plesant I do not mind to continue this discusion

The previous thread where my evil twin, he raged at the ending and was desperate to find answers lol

[balance5050]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

But... nothing disproves it as an interpretation.

Well true i guess, but i could see jesus in toast, doesn't mean thats actually jesus giving me a sign:P

But, in the confines of the game Indoctrnation is very real and is seen all around you. Jesus... isn't

[majinbuu1307]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

I'd have to re-watch that, but I don't see anything other than a shot of shep shooting anderson, then most of the rest of the scenes are above his waist

[ryuasiu]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

IT or bad writing, and each day I am going back and forth between the two

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

But... nothing disproves it as an interpretation.

Well true i guess, but i could see jesus in toast, doesn't mean thats actually jesus giving me a sign:P

But, in the confines of the game Indoctrnation is very real and is seen all around you. Jesus... isn't

Are you sure? I see dead people. Lol joke, joke.

[majinbuu1307]

ryuasiu wrote...

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

IT or bad writing, and each day I am going back and forth between the two

I'd like to think its just genius and we will understand better with the DLC lol, well, it is the point of the DLC

[Slipstarr]

Your post is not well reasoned or convincing.

Your tone is condescending. 

[balance5050]

Also, the kid says the created always rebel against the creators, the kid created the reapers as his "solution". But the reapers haven't rebelled against for the entire billion years he's been controlling them. He breaks his own logic.

[majinbuu1307]

Slipstarr wrote...

Your post is not well reasoned or convincing.

Your tone is condescending. 

How/why.

[balance5050]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

IT or bad writing, and each day I am going back and forth between the two

I'd like to think its just genius and we will understand better with the DLC lol, well, it is the point of the DLC

By genius you mean I.T. right? cause that's the only way the ending will ever even be remotely intelligent.

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

Also, the kid says the created always rebel against the creators, the kid created the reapers as his "solution". But the reapers haven't rebelled against for the entire billion years he's been controlling them. He breaks his own logic.

Well I'd assume maybe even eventually they would too, maybe he knows this. But they have had the same EXACT goal for that whole time. Humans/geth Protheans/whatever synthetic, none of them saw eye to eye or had similiar goals.

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

IT or bad writing, and each day I am going back and forth between the two

I'd like to think its just genius and we will understand better with the DLC lol, well, it is the point of the DLC

By genius you mean I.T. right? cause that's the only way the ending will ever even be remotely intelligent.

Don't know that til the DLC comes out, could instantly disprove IT, or it could not even touch on the subject, and they could never answer the question 100 percent.

[balance5050]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

IT or bad writing, and each day I am going back and forth between the two

I'd like to think its just genius and we will understand better with the DLC lol, well, it is the point of the DLC

By genius you mean I.T. right? cause that's the only way the ending will ever even be remotely intelligent.

Don't know that til the DLC comes out, could instantly disprove IT, or it could not even touch on the subject, and they could never answer the question 100 percent.

No, what did you mean when you said  "I'd like to think its just genius"?

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...
The stomach wound, we have no idea if that happened after the harbinger blast or no. We just see him sit down, and look at his bloody hand and body. He is limping the whole time, he could have had that wound the whole time.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on stomach wounds, but based on my experience of other wounds, they tend to start bleeding almost instantly, not in a timeframe of 10-15 minutes...

And why did Anderson not receive any sort of wound from getting shot? Again, not an expert, but from my limited knowledge of bullets they tend to cause people to bleed...

IT or bad writing, and each day I am going back and forth between the two

I'd like to think its just genius and we will understand better with the DLC lol, well, it is the point of the DLC

By genius you mean I.T. right? cause that's the only way the ending will ever even be remotely intelligent.

Don't know that til the DLC comes out, could instantly disprove IT, or it could not even touch on the subject, and they could never answer the question 100 percent.

No, what did you mean when you said  "I'd like to think its just genius"?

Their ending as is, based in reality I mean and not IT.

[majinbuu1307]

III Achilles II wrote...

I don't understand the point of these threads when it is all speculation on both sides.

Well it wouldn't be much of a forum is no one argued or discussed or speculated:)

Modifié par majinbuu1307, 13 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Ytook]

I support the indoc theory because it works, not just because it makes the ending work on some level, it also has points that make it work throughout the game, not just in the ending. I'm not right or wrong, by the nature of it we'l only know when the extended ending is available.

[Apollo-XL5]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

Mr. Hudson has said other things about Mass Effect 3 that were not necessarily accurate. Not that I believe the IT is true. In fact, I've heard of it but never looked into it, sounds like an attempt to grasp straws.

It is:)

Your whole guide is an atempt to grasp straws with an ending that doesnt make sense, and for you to rub it in the faces of us indoc fans.  Guess what, IT is a theory, but it makes more sense than thecatalyst bull****.  
As for the catalyst logic is correct, give me a break, so the geth who from day one of their creation have tried to help their creators (the war was only to defend themselves and the quarians who tried to protect them,) will suddenly and uncharacteristically decide to rebel in XXX years and then go on to destroy all life in the galaxy.  I think that logic is up there with space magic.
So a fail to you sir.  Indoc theory still going strong.