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[majinbuu1307]

shurryy wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

If you understood it you would understand WHY the catalyst was logically sound. I raged too at first, took me a few weeks to actually take everything in and go, OH!

I'm still not too fond of the ending options though. Ending DLC might help.

WHY the catalyst was logically sound. 
WHY the catalyst was logically sound. 
the catalyst was logically sound. 
the catalyst was logically sound. 
THE CATALYST WAS LOCICALLY SOUND.

... The catalyst made sense?
... I'm done here. Anyone who approves the god-child have failed. 

Edited the bottom of my original post on page 1. please read about the catalyst at the bottom, its new just wrote it.

[Spectre-61]

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

[balance5050]

shurryy wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

If you understood it you would understand WHY the catalyst was logically sound. I raged too at first, took me a few weeks to actually take everything in and go, OH!

I'm still not too fond of the ending options though. Ending DLC might help.

WHY the catalyst was logically sound. 
WHY the catalyst was logically sound. 
the catalyst was logically sound. 
the catalyst was logically sound. 
THE CATALYST WAS LOCICALLY SOUND.

... The catalyst made sense?
... I'm done here. Anyone who approves the god-child have failed. 

[majinbuu1307]

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

If you understood it you would understand WHY the catalyst was logically sound. I raged too at first, took me a few weeks to actually take everything in and go, OH!

I'm still not too fond of the ending options though. Ending DLC might help.

WHY the catalyst was logically sound. 
WHY the catalyst was logically sound. 
the catalyst was logically sound. 
the catalyst was logically sound. 
THE CATALYST WAS LOCICALLY SOUND.

... The catalyst made sense?
... I'm done here. Anyone who approves the god-child have failed. 

Re-read the very bottom about the catalyst in my OP

[majinbuu1307]

Shepbump

[Spectre-61]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

Was that sarcasm? Because I'm really not sure

[majinbuu1307]

variobunz wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

Was that sarcasm? Because I'm really not sure

Quite serious lol. We don't know enough of that scene to use it for the argument in either way. Can't win til the Ending DLC comes out. Pro IT people will say thats rebar sticking out and cement, pro reality ending will say we also see shiny metalic rubble and we have no idea what citadel rubble is made of or just how much that looks like cement or some other pourus material.

Plus, wouldn't the file say, Shep_awake?

Modifié par majinbuu1307, 13 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[III Achilles II]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

And they say we grasp for straws??? 

There is a blue glow and like Vario mentioned the sound of the wind. 

It's not sound to try and point to anything that isn't even in game. Do we know if the citadel even uses "cables for air" 

[StElmo]

This thread failed to explain the space magic of synthesis.

[majinbuu1307]

III Achilles II wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

And they say we grasp for straws??? 

There is a blue glow and like Vario mentioned the sound of the wind. 

It's not sound to try and point to anything that isn't even in game. Do we know if the citadel even uses "cables for air" 

The blue glue you are talking about is from edited pictures, I have a high def 60 inch 3D TV. Watching the ending there is no blue light and barely any light at all, its all grey and way too close up. The very blue pics and vids are of high contrast edits to see shepard better.

[majinbuu1307]

StElmo wrote...

This thread failed to explain the space magic of synthesis.

Anything so very much more advanced than the tech we currently have will always be viewed as unexplainable and "magic"

If a pilgrim saw a flatscreen tv with avatar playing, they would scream witchcraft.

[III Achilles II]

StElmo wrote...

This thread failed to explain the space magic of synthesis.

There is no logical explaination to space magic. Everything in Mass Effect so far has been SCIENCE driven. Indoctrination follows along with the science from the game. 

"Ghostly" hallucinations. The fact is that maybe the Truth DLC will actually extend a few cutscenes to the endings that choose synthesis or control to show what happens. 

Also, no game files will be named something that you can see if there were trying to be subtle about it. 

[III Achilles II]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

III Achilles II wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

And they say we grasp for straws??? 

There is a blue glow and like Vario mentioned the sound of the wind. 

It's not sound to try and point to anything that isn't even in game. Do we know if the citadel even uses "cables for air" 

The blue glue you are talking about is from edited pictures, I have a high def 60 inch 3D TV. Watching the ending there is no blue light and barely any light at all, its all grey and way too close up. The very blue pics and vids are of high contrast edits to see shepard better.

HAHA. Your TV is the standard? What about brightness. Turn it all the way down and I bet you'll tell everyone the ending sceen is just blackness with sound. 

There is a blue glow. I've seen it on multiple playthroughs. Not videos I watched on the internet. 

[majinbuu1307]

III Achilles II wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

III Achilles II wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

About the breath scene. I totally lost count how many times I heard that Shepard is on the Citadel because of some tubes or what ever. But watch the scene and open your ears. You hear that? That's wind. You tell me where on the destroyed/highly damaged Citadel could be wind? Even the working Citadel has wind.

@ OP: And if you completely understand the ending, why don't you explain it to us, please?

Could be air leaking from support systems, Shep better get outa that rubble and get outa there, there, see, I had a perfectly sound explanation.

And they say we grasp for straws??? 

There is a blue glow and like Vario mentioned the sound of the wind. 

It's not sound to try and point to anything that isn't even in game. Do we know if the citadel even uses "cables for air" 

The blue glue you are talking about is from edited pictures, I have a high def 60 inch 3D TV. Watching the ending there is no blue light and barely any light at all, its all grey and way too close up. The very blue pics and vids are of high contrast edits to see shepard better.

HAHA. Your TV is the standard? What about brightness. Turn it all the way down and I bet you'll tell everyone the ending sceen is just blackness with sound. 

There is a blue glow. I've seen it on multiple playthroughs. Not videos I watched on the internet. 

And who is to say its not a dim glow from lights on the citadel, platform, corridor, wherever it could be. Occam's razor[/b]

Modifié par majinbuu1307, 13 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[dreman9999]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

This thread failed to explain the space magic of synthesis.

Anything so very much more advanced than the tech we currently have will always be viewed as unexplainable and "magic"

If a pilgrim saw a flatscreen tv with avatar playing, they would scream witchcraft.

It's a hard science fiction story......It need to be explained. I'm not by that at all. Had doesone combine organics with synthetics to there very dna when syntetics have no dna to combine. And how does that stop those hybrid from making more synthetics?

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[Erield]

Gallifreya wrote...

And when Destroy is the only option,  it's because you have a low EMS. The Reapers don't want/need to control a slackass Shepard, because the forces Shepard brought to the final confrontaion can't defeat the Reapers. There aren't enough of the assets present.

So...when you have low EMS, the citadel scene is for realsie.  But when you have high EMS, it's fake?

[majinbuu1307]

dreman9999 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

This thread failed to explain the space magic of synthesis.

Anything so very much more advanced than the tech we currently have will always be viewed as unexplainable and "magic"

If a pilgrim saw a flatscreen tv with avatar playing, they would scream witchcraft.

It's a hard science fiction story......It need to be explained. I'm not by that at all. Had doesone combine organics with synthetics to there very dna when syntetics have no dna to combine. And how does that stop those hybrid from making more synthetics?

If you read my full post you would know I talked about that very same thing, theres nothing stopping the hybrids from creating new pure synthetics again, and starting this whole debacle again, so i agree on that point.

[majinbuu1307]

Erield wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

And when Destroy is the only option,  it's because you have a low EMS. The Reapers don't want/need to control a slackass Shepard, because the forces Shepard brought to the final confrontaion can't defeat the Reapers. There aren't enough of the assets present.

So...when you have low EMS, the citadel scene is for realsie.  But when you have high EMS, it's fake?

No, it matters how well the crucible is built, You build a bad toaster and things might set on fire.

[majinbuu1307]

bumpity

[Spectre-61]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Erield wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

And when Destroy is the only option,  it's because you have a low EMS. The Reapers don't want/need to control a slackass Shepard, because the forces Shepard brought to the final confrontaion can't defeat the Reapers. There aren't enough of the assets present.

So...when you have low EMS, the citadel scene is for realsie.  But when you have high EMS, it's fake?

No, it matters how well the crucible is built, You build a bad toaster and things might set on fire.

The only thing that counts is the AMOUNT of assets and not of what it consists of. If you have high EMS with almost no assets for the crucible it's the same if you have a lot of assets for that. The amount of points is the only thing that counts.

[StElmo]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

This thread failed to explain the space magic of synthesis.

Anything so very much more advanced than the tech we currently have will always be viewed as unexplainable and "magic"

If a pilgrim saw a flatscreen tv with avatar playing, they would scream witchcraft.

Whats your point?

If you watched a drama about pilgrims and then at the end someone with a nuke killed all the antagonists. That would still be illogical, even if it was scientifically plausible.

[Turkeysock]

I'm sorry, but sadly that doesn't make this ending any less of a piece of crap then it currently is. The logic of the catalyst is still poor and doesn't make a lick of sense. There is no evidence except for one case in the Prothean cycle where synthetic life actively attacked organic life. The Geth rebelled only to protect and preserve themselves AFTER the Quarians tried to wipe them out.

There is no evidence that synthetic life has actively tried to wipe out organic life in previous cycles. All we have is the word of Starkid that this has happened before. But honestly, Starkid had control over the Reapers, why then did Shepard have to sacrifice himself in every option?

And by the way, Sacrifice endings only work when it's one of the choices to choose, not when it's every choice.

[majinbuu1307]

variobunz wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Erield wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

And when Destroy is the only option,  it's because you have a low EMS. The Reapers don't want/need to control a slackass Shepard, because the forces Shepard brought to the final confrontaion can't defeat the Reapers. There aren't enough of the assets present.

So...when you have low EMS, the citadel scene is for realsie.  But when you have high EMS, it's fake?

No, it matters how well the crucible is built, You build a bad toaster and things might set on fire.

The only thing that counts is the AMOUNT of assets and not of what it consists of. If you have high EMS with almost no assets for the crucible it's the same if you have a lot of assets for that. The amount of points is the only thing that counts.

I would assume that a poor number of assets helping work on the citadel would lead to a poorly built citadel, less scientists/workers, built at the same speed. This does not a good crucible make. A less finely tuned crucible fires, low EMS, earth burns. Case in point.

[Erield]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Erield wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

And when Destroy is the only option,  it's because you have a low EMS. The Reapers don't want/need to control a slackass Shepard, because the forces Shepard brought to the final confrontaion can't defeat the Reapers. There aren't enough of the assets present.

So...when you have low EMS, the citadel scene is for realsie.  But when you have high EMS, it's fake?

No, it matters how well the crucible is built, You build a bad toaster and things might set on fire.

I was talking specifically in regards to IT.  I think the endings we got are the endings as intended; and that those endings are ****.  gallifreya (and the few other IT proponents who have actually responded to this question when I pose it to them) seem to be saying that with low EMS none of it matters, because everyone dies anyway so Reapers auto-win.

The problem with that is that the scenes leading up to it do not change at all, so what is Indoctrination with High EMS with multiple options is the exact same as "not-indoctrinated" Shepard.  At least, that's what they seem to be saying.