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[Swass Effect]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

While I dislike Necromancers, my thoughts are that Bioware ran out of time/money (and quite possibly both).

Games are made on a budget (typically several tens of thousands to possibly millions for MMOs).  Look at how well Tuchanka and Rannoch are done.  Everything starts noticably falling apart shortly after Thessia, but only during Priority: Earth does it show so noticably.

Just my thoughts.

I too noticed even after Priority: Citadel that the game was starting to spiral down. I kind of though we should have spent less time on the cure and more time on gee i don't know the parts of the galaxy we haven't explored. Thessia had a 20 minute mission we didn't even go to Palaven although it was hit like Earth so I can see why. We had a 20 minute mission on sur' kesh. Why we no see anything new. Tuchanka been there done that, Horizon really. The citadel gets attacked again original.
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n the first 2 hours of the game it's blatently obvious the council is useless considering we are going through a summit to unite the galaxy and not them.

And if this is the end Bioware invisioned I am deeply saddened because it was awful and contradicted everything they said the ending would be. No ABC ending, choose this, this or this option. Is that not a ABC ending? Why oh why was Shepard destined to die? Isn't that cliche getting old yet? I could rant for hours about how bad the ending was but I feel people will stop reading somewhere after the first two sentences.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Part of me thinks the ending budget went into Multiplayer... not sure when that became an official feature for the game.

[Mushashi7]

Shepherd knew this was a computer game. The game was over, near the end, and the creators had told her not to
keep up the behavior that had been standard through the game. She had to leave her squadmates and other stuff out of the picture.

An irrational and unrealistic turn of the story. Shepherd is a teamplayer and military trained.

What can you do when you're just a character in a computer game? You obey your boss?

Modifié par Mushashi7, 31 juillet 2013 - 09:33 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Mushashi7 wrote...

Shepherd knew this was a computer game. The game was over, near the end, and the creators had told her not to
keep up the behavior that had been standard through the game. She had to leave her squadmates and other stuff out of the picture.

An irrational and unrealistic turn of the story. Shepherd is a teamplayer and military trained.

What can you do when you're just a character in a computer game? You obey your boss?

lol, makes the most sense to me so far.

[Omega Torsk]

This is a good question. And it shows that the ending was either haplessly rushed or kept away from peer review (as the rumor persists).

And of course, Shepard's comm wasn't broken nor was it "shielded" because Hackett was able to communicate with him just fine.

Perhaps we'll never know...

[Andrew Lucas]

KingKhan03 wrote...

EDI was getting busy with joker.

[The_Other_M]

'Cuz not making sense is more "artistic".

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

It's an interesting question, never occurred to me at the time. It would've been nice if only so I could say sorry to her before choosing destroy.

But my question is this, do you think EDI eould have have actually been able to give you any particularly useful information from her remote location? Given that they didn't even know what the crucible would do when they built it. I imagine she'd be able to say something like "We're reading massive amounts of energy going into the Citadel". But I have to wonder if she'd be able to tell you whether the Catalyst was telling you the truth or not about the choices.

She was able to analyze the human reaper in the Collector Base fairly extensively.  Plus, as an AI construct herself, she may have even been able to fight against the Catalyst more directly (along with possibly finding out where the Catalyst is physically housed/how the Crucible works/etc.)

[Ice Cold J]

 Maybe Shep was so close to dying anyway that there was no time to consult everyone.

Maybe he couldn't make radio contact in the Catalyst chamber

But, I agree that Shepard has spent 3 games defying the logic of the Reapers and their heralds, so I don't get why we should have to take the Catalyst at his word...

[NeonFlux117]

oh this is easy.

1) He's not on the citadel

2) He's still in London.

You figure it out from there.

[zed888]

Ice Cold J wrote...
Maybe he couldn't make radio contact in the Catalyst chamber

 Could be.   But we'll never know because she didn't even try.  Same with her wounds.  She could have said "If you're serious about finding a new solution, call off the attack, let me get patched up, and we'll talk." instead of asking follow-up questions about beaming her soul through the relays.

[Striker93175]

The reason is simple: He is indoctronated and EDI isn't in his reaper induced delusion.

[Striker93175]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

oh this is easy.

1) He's not on the citadel

2) He's still in London.

You figure it out from there.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ice Cold J wrote...

 Maybe Shep was so close to dying anyway that there was no time to consult everyone.

Good answer but no soldier that can stand and talk is too close to death to give a sitrep during such a pivotal moment in the Reaper war..

zed888 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...
Maybe he couldn't make radio contact in the Catalyst chamber

 Could be.   But we'll never know because she didn't even try.  Same with her wounds.  She could have said "If you're serious about finding a new solution, call off the attack, let me get patched up, and we'll talk." instead of asking follow-up questions about beaming her soul through the relays.

Very good point.  Shepard wasn't in the best physical or mental state to make such a pivotal choice at that time...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 07 août 2013 - 05:04 .

[shingara]

Techincally EDI is offline as soon as the beam sequence starts, If you manage to kill evas body with the beam edi will not be on the roster of the dead board upon the ship as she will have regained control of the normandy, but if she isnt killed by the beam evas body stops working and they presume edi is dead when infact she isnt, she has just transfered back into the normandy and shows on the roster as dead simply because evas body died.

So she couldnt come to the phone either way.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 05:53 .

[zed888]

EDI was on the phone a few minutes earlier during the missile scene- what changed? Shepard could also have called Hackett and had him connect her to the lead scientist on the Crucible team, etc.

[KieranW]

What I don't get is why Shepard didn't go "Hey guys, I'm stuck here. Send a shuttle will ya?" Then you could have just got evac'd after choosing Destroy. Or! Maybe there is an injured, near death soldier (or any other willing volunteer) ready to jump into the beam for Synthesis.

And in regards to "Oh, the Reapers are trying to blow the Crucible up" I had quite a long chat with Starkid, then a long walk to the pipe. I could have cut him off and called for a lift any time. And something that has always bugged me- If he controls the Reapers, why not tell them to lay off for a bit? They're already winning. But if the Kid wants Shep to make a choice, why blow up the damn thing? I mean, apparently he LOVES Synthesis. There has to be someone out there in the Galaxy ready to make the sacrifice. Why not just... Be patient? Wait for that volunteer to step up and take the plunge?

[Ice Cold J]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

 Maybe Shep was so close to dying anyway that there was no time to consult everyone.

Good answer but no soldier that can stand and talk is too close to death to give a sitrep during such a pivotal moment in the Reaper war..

zed888 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...
Maybe he couldn't make radio contact in the Catalyst chamber

 Could be.   But we'll never know because she didn't even try.  Same with her wounds.  She could have said "If you're serious about finding a new solution, call off the attack, let me get patched up, and we'll talk." instead of asking follow-up questions about beaming her soul through the relays.

Very good point.  Shepard wasn't in the best physical or mental state to make such a pivotal choice at that time...

To play devil's advocate, who's to say the Catalyst would've let him come back and make a decision? Besides, every minute he spent thinking it over likely means 100's of lives being lost. I just don't see that as making sense.

[zed888]

Shepard doesn't need to go anywhere. All the kid had to do was allow a medic to come up the beam, or send a keeper in with some medigel. Sure he could have refused, but Shep not trying was dumb.

[SkullStrife]

because he was indoctrinated xD

[edisnooM]

Has anyone said Art yet? I'm gonna say Art.

[LiL Reapur]

Or maybe he doesn't like EDI anybody think of that? Huh?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ice Cold J wrote...
To play devil's advocate, who's to say the Catalyst would've let him come back and make a decision? Besides, every minute he spent thinking it over likely means 100's of lives being lost. I just don't see that as making sense.

You know I don't think the Catalyst would let him, but then again...  the Catalyst doesn't seem stable to me.

edisnooM wrote...

Has anyone said Art yet? I'm gonna say Art.

You know what, I don't think anyone did in this thread...

LiL Reapur wrote...

Or maybe he doesn't like EDI anybody think of that? Huh?

lol, never thought of that but that would make sense.  I just had no idea Shepard felt that way

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 août 2013 - 06:34 .

[shodiswe]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

"EDI, this thing called the Catalyst told me that the Crucible changed him and now he's given me the option to stop the Reapers!"

"Then stop them Shepard."

"But what if he's lying?"

"We're all going to die anyway if you do nothing."

"Ok thanks EDI."

That would have helped imo. Though at the same time I already knew the gaaxy was screwed seeing as the last big offensive against the Reapers was failing, knowing there is a hundred times more of them out there than there was at earth.

[rohanks]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

It's an interesting question, never occurred to me at the time. It would've been nice if only so I could say sorry to her before choosing destroy.

But my question is this, do you think EDI eould have have actually been able to give you any particularly useful information from her remote location? Given that they didn't even know what the crucible would do when they built it. I imagine she'd be able to say something like "We're reading massive amounts of energy going into the Citadel". But I have to wonder if she'd be able to tell you whether the Catalyst was telling you the truth or not about the choices.

She was able to analyze the human reaper in the Collector Base fairly extensively.  Plus, as an AI construct herself, she may have even been able to fight against the Catalyst more directly (along with possibly finding out where the Catalyst is physically housed/how the Crucible works/etc.)

Now that would have been awesome. And IMO more satisfying. Imagine EDI re-purposing the Catalyst to provide a different range of outcomes as opposed to Shepard having to jump the shark?

If the theme that Bioware wanted to drive home through the body of the Catalyst was Human and Synthetic conflict was inevitable hence the need for the Reapers, then Synthetic (EDI) and part-Synthetic-Human (Shepard) cooperation to end this cycle negates that construct entirely. 

Modifié par rohanks, 08 août 2013 - 08:26 .