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[EVani]

Geist.H wrote...

Just check out "Team Biotic" videos made by Xcal on youtube if you think the Drell Adept is bad. Cluster grenade at point blank are litteral mini-nukes.

I never said they are bad. I'm just saying their roles are being taken more and more by other races(apply to drell in general). I think in a gold game, solid defenses are more favored than pure damage, since AJA(the replacement) coupled with AA can already do a similar combo, just slower. And you generally chain stagger so the enemies can't approach you while infiltrators take care of the nasties. AA-AJA also add more to survivability than AA-DA duo.

Looks like there is DA is still kicking though.

[PirateT138]

Still masters of biotic hit and run with the speed bonuses and cluster grenades + reave.

[macroberts]

I just don't think that the AJA's sphere is cut out to be an offensive power even taking into account the warp evolution on it. You're still going to get more out of the biotic nuke that is area reave + cluster grenades than the sphere I reckon. The grenades themselves and on their own don't do much, but they're not meant to. Aiming might also be an issue, but practice makes perfect.

As for the limited number of grenades, it's about picking your targets and making the right choices. If you reave then nade a single cannibal then you deserve to be biotic backhand female-dog-slapped across the face by Thane himself. Area reave ravagers and brutes, and aim that nade.

[niko20]

Cluster grenades are really powerful

[We Tigers]

What's your preferred cluster evolution? I tend to go Damage/Extra Grenade/Damage, though I've played with the bonus shrapnel before, too. Bonus shrapnel is better in a crowd or indoors, and the rank 6 damage upgrade seems better in the open.

[Sabresandiego]

Both Drells are 2 of the best classes in the game

[Siliboy]

Drell adepts with cluster grenades wins, it's my favorite among the adept class. The sweet sound of reave, knowing it annoys my friends, and the biotic explosions. Though I burn through all my thermal clip packs in a gold match.

[EVani]

Who?Me? I don't have DA yet. Been itching to play one. The thread is to discuss the fact that drell roles/specialties are outshone/overtaken by other races, especially after resurgence.
(Given that drells have melee bonus, but no health>>Krogan, Batarian/ DA are excellent secondary biotic but AJA are encroaching on that territory too)

Btw, I'm not trying to put any classes down since I seem to be only unlocking useless weapons and recurring characters. I'm just discussing it given the new charater options from resurgence.

Modifié par EVani, 13 avril 2012 - 04:12 .

[Brettic]

I think more people would play it once they release the Reave sound fix.

[The_mango55]

When exactly were they melee monsters in the first place?

[Pichsterz]

After playing Asari Justicar a few times, I still prefer to play my Drell Adept. I have no problem getting top score on Gold. Reave + Grenade combo is so deadly and I have good a reason to use my 240 something thermal clips. Running out of grenades is never a problem.

[EVani]

The_mango55 wrote...

When exactly were they melee monsters in the first place?

They never were, but conceptually if they have amazing speed, dodge and melee damage bonus as well as the Thane figurehead, they got to be able to do something with melee. The racial bonus on melee is practically useless on them.

[zhk3r]

Lol'd.

The Asari Justicar is good, but nothing can beat Reave followed by Cluster Grenades. It's just .. devastating. Sure, the bubble is nice. But .. Cluster Grenades. And his movement speed is just amazing. I'd take it any day over increased shields which don't matter on Gold anyway unless you're a Krogan or a Turian.

EDIT: If you haven't actually unlocked and played it your opinion is not valid. The increased melee damage bonus is nice on the Vanguard but I don't even consider using it on my Adept. Seriously, the Drell's are awesome and not obsolete in any way. 

Modifié par zhk3r, 13 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[21B]

Renew81 wrote...

RHAARRRRRH HAH THEIR DEAD!

THIS

[EVani]

zhk3r wrote...

Lol'd.

The Asari Justicar is good, but nothing can beat Reave followed by Cluster Grenades. It's just .. devastating. Sure, the bubble is nice. But .. Cluster Grenades. And his movement speed is just amazing. I'd take it any day over increased shields which don't matter on Gold anyway unless you're a Krogan or a Turian.

EDIT: If you haven't actually unlocked and played it your opinion is not valid. The increased melee damage bonus is nice on the Vanguard but I don't even consider using it on my Adept. Seriously, the Drell's are awesome and not obsolete in any way. 

I never stated my opinion as much as restating feedback on char discussion forums of classes with the same/similar roles.I am asking for opinions, not giving them. Then I prod along the lines of potential weakness/overlap. Also this thread is not specific to just DA.

Modifié par EVani, 13 avril 2012 - 04:56 .

[zhk3r]

EVani wrote...

I never stated my opinion as much as restating feedback on char discussion forums of classes with the same/similar roles. Also this thread is not specific to just DA.

Okay, then lets break it down.

> Why use the Human Adept when the Asari is "better" ?
> Why use the Human Infiltrator when Salarian has Energy Drain?
> Why use the Asari Vanguard when Human has Nova?
> Why use the Salarian Engineer when Geth has a Healing-Turret?
> Why use the Human Soldier when Battlefield 3 has Carnage?

I mean, if you're going to make comparisons like that you might as well just list every character and match them up against each other. There's a character for everyone, there's a character for certain factions and certain situations. There's no "bad" class or character in the game, neither is there an obsoloete class/character in the game. Every single one of them have specific traits about them that make them viable in different situations. Soldier has for a long time been a subject, because he's had no surviveability until the most recent patch. Now he's very viable on every difficulty. I don't care what people write on the forums and what you take to heart because you read it in one of a thousand posts - Not one class in the game is bad, and the Drells are among two of the best. Everyone plays differently and will lean towards another class than others - But because *this* guy find that Biotic Sphere is more useful than Cluster Grenades doesn't mean that it's fact. 

[AbEntropy]

zhk3r wrote...

EVani wrote...

I never stated my opinion as much as restating feedback on char discussion forums of classes with the same/similar roles. Also this thread is not specific to just DA.

Okay, then lets break it down.

> Why use the Human Adept when the Asari is "better" ?
> Why use the Human Infiltrator when Salarian has Energy Drain?
> Why use the Asari Vanguard when Human has Nova?
> Why use the Salarian Engineer when Geth has a Healing-Turret?
> Why use the Human Soldier when Battlefield 3 has Carnage?

I mean, if you're going to make comparisons like that you might as well just list every character and match them up against each other. There's a character for everyone, there's a character for certain factions and certain situations. There's no "bad" class or character in the game, neither is there an obsoloete class/character in the game. Every single one of them have specific traits about them that make them viable in different situations. Soldier has for a long time been a subject, because he's had no surviveability until the most recent patch. Now he's very viable on every difficulty. I don't care what people write on the forums and what you take to heart because you read it in one of a thousand posts - Not one class in the game is bad, and the Drells are among two of the best. Everyone plays differently and will lean towards another class than others - But because *this* guy find that Biotic Sphere is more useful than Cluster Grenades doesn't mean that it's fact. 

Asari vanguard has Stasis, which is easily the most powerful CC in the game.

[zhk3r]

AbEntropy wrote...

Asari vanguard has Stasis, which is easily the most powerful CC in the game.

Urgh. I wasn't serious. I was trying to prove a point: 

> This thread is retarded because all the classes are good.

[MoeRayShep]

I like Drell Adept, the problem lies with the grenade supply. Grenades don't respawn often enough or in great enough numbers, so they're not exactly a reliable part of your strategy. If you're playing in a party with multiple 'nade users, you can pretty much count on having to run all over the map between waves just for a *chance* of restocking all of them.
Often times in a tricky situation with my drell I'll use up an ammo pack just to restock 'nades.
I have to admit, the Asari Justicar adept is fairly awesome, but assuming Drell can get his hands on grenades reliably he serves his own purpose.

[EVani]

zhk3r wrote...

AbEntropy wrote...

Asari vanguard has Stasis, which is easily the most powerful CC in the game.

Urgh. I wasn't serious. I was trying to prove a point: 

> This thread is retarded because all the classes are good.

Then why do the majority of people gravitating toward certain classes,builds and team combinations? classes are not equally good, nor are the power evolutions. Drells practically lose out on having a racial trait they can't use properly and it seems like the awesome DA may not be as good an option as AJA, judging from recent posts.

From racials, drells are supposed to be good at melee Instead, they are not.
From kits, drell vanguards are generally accepted to be weaker than other options. After resurgence, AJA seem to be encroaching on DA's turf as secondary biotic too thanks to reave.

I don't have any of these unlocks, but I would like to play them. This is why I'm asking for opinions. Would you mind to actually read how the thread was originally framed before declaring an offensive statement? I have to type this twice already.

[EVani]

zhk3r wrote...

> Why use the Salarian Engineer when Geth has a Healing-Turret?

Just to annoy you: because SE have decoy, which is an amazing survival power and shield drain, which is also an amazing survival power which also deals good aoe damage to the most common protections, while also setting up tech burst on all targets hit by it.

Instead of choosing either/or, people work together and play both. SE sets up decoy and GE sets up turret= awesome defense. Then SE goes SD and GE goes overload. Massive tech burst damage (usually *3).

Modifié par EVani, 13 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[EVani]

MoeRayShep wrote...

I like Drell Adept, the problem lies with the grenade supply. Grenades don't respawn often enough or in great enough numbers, so they're not exactly a reliable part of your strategy. If you're playing in a party with multiple 'nade users, you can pretty much count on having to run all over the map between waves just for a *chance* of restocking all of them.
Often times in a tricky situation with my drell I'll use up an ammo pack just to restock 'nades.
I have to admit, the Asari Justicar adept is fairly awesome, but assuming Drell can get his hands on grenades reliably he serves his own purpose.

Now see, this sort of reply is helpful. Pro/con and opinions are given in context of how everything fits together with the recent additon and it shows that DA is not obsolete. Also, the tone is kept civil.

I don't just read 1 person's comment and yell that a class sucks. Perhaps that is what you do and assume I do the same, zhk3r? I evaluate based on several threads, comments and trends that are suggesting it and ask for a legitimate response from people who know these classes/ team play combinations better than I do.

You can prove your point without resorting to making yourself sound immature.

Modifié par EVani, 13 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Mozts]

This thread is going in circles.

"So Drells are now officially the most obsolete race in the game?"
No.
"Is it better than Asari Justicar?"
Also no.

I don't see topics about Human eng. being obsolete...

[LORANT92]

It is a support character above all. Try teaming up with a Vanguard and Reave targets before it charges them. You can also get around quicker than other characters - resupplying Cluster grenades isn't that much of a problem, and the fact you can set off Biotic explosions mean you can clear a room out by yourself if needed.