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[Bluko]

Look this is getting a little bit silly. I don't know why you guys haven't come out about it yet. I'm assuming it's a combination of not wanting to spoil the "surprise" and that you likely have some trepidation to how people will still react to it. I mean yes I can see why you are doing this... but I don't think it is particularily wise.

First of all by perpetuating the idea the endings are final you are breeding a ton of hate for the game, Bioware, and EA. I cannot understand how you think this will simply go away. It isn't. The longer you let people stew in hatred about things the more bitter and unreasonable they will become. They may eventually shut up, but the resentment will still be there. Every day you wait dozens if not hundreds of more people are joining into the collective disappointment. You are making this situation really bad for yourselves. Even if you release an amazing new ending that's everything anyone could possibly want... there's still going to resentment over the fact you mislead many for weeks or months.

Look if you guys want a good solid relation with your community it helps that you be truthful and upfront with them. Granted some people may not like the truth, including myself at times, but at least you can't be faulted for deceiving them. Any time you fib or attempt to stretch the truth you are adding wood to the log pile that people will someday try to burn you with.


I implore you to cease this whole "speculation" charade. Reality is a lot of people have turned away from the series and maybe even gone so far as to go back and sell their games. You can't just expect everyone to have blind faith in you. People did not Pre-Order ME3 in large numbers because they had faith in Bioware. They did it because the first two games were great so they assumed ME3 would be as well. But now you have seemingly destroyed much of that confidence. It's not an understatemtn to say the entire series is kind of jeopardy. Unfortunately your idea of a twist ending did not work so well as a lot of people aren't even aware of it. Only your most dedicated fans are going to be figure this out. And that's great for us, but it's not so great for the more casual players. Truthfully you should have just admitted this in full last week either in your announcement or at PAX.

I understand some people are not going to be happy. But if you come out now and admit to it you can at least start the healing process. Folks are going to need time to get used to the idea, especially since a few are rather staunch on supporting the endings as they are. Also by letting people "speculate" you are probably causing them to raise their expectations to be even more absurd. Which means if someone doesn't get the exact ending they want they will probably come back and bite you even harder for "tricking them". Also you probably want news of this to spread. Right now the only news that is spreading is the endings suck and Bioware isn't really doing anything about it. This wouldn't be happening if you stopped the vague PR and just actually told us what you were planning. Your whole handling of this situation is laughable and likely going to be the textbook example of bad PR.


And if by some odd 1% chance Indoctrination Theory isn't true. Then you really ought to put the poor creature out of it's misery before it loses all sense and attacks you to. Again any actual confirmation is better then none.

[Dridengx]

It's a video game bro.. get mad at something else more important

[matthewmi]

IT isn't real Bioware would not troll their fans by releasing a game with no ending.

[govs6360]

They have already said that ending are final and they had to cut Shepard being indocturated becasue they could not get the game play to work.

[Bogsnot]

Bluko wrote...
And if by some odd 1% chance Indoctrination Theory is true. Then you really ought to put the poor creature out of it's misery before it loses all sense and attacks you to. Again any actual confirmation is better then none.

Fixed.

We really dont need yet another lame thread about IT. Its a failed concept that has been shot down numerous times, and would be an evn bigger slap in teh face for gamers than the current ending is.

[Tymvir]

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[Peregrin25]

If people actually think that anything was really answered in the Pax East panel then you are naive. They didn't clarify jack crap. Other than what we already know. They avoided all the major topics and all the questions were specific to what they wanted to clarify.

I won't believe a damn word what anyone associated with BioWare or EA says until I have physical evidence within my grasp. Things they keep saying stir up too many questions and speculations and they give no clear definitive answers. They have their reasons I am sure. but even then they could make it a little more clear cut.

[Bluko]

Dridengx wrote...

It's a video game bro.. get mad at something else more important

Well alright... when I start WWIII I'll remember your inspirational words.

I'm not really mad anymore. Just annoyed. Also I'd like to think I'm being helpful. But alas I'm probaly just completely out of my mind. Oh well I'm stocking up on popcorn now for the next big show. Nohing is more amusing then seeing the "true fans" turn on their masters. Though I dunno you're probably the sort who's okay with anything right? I mean obviously only your care for the series is legitimate. Rest of us are just the ungrateful unwashed masses. I mean the series doesn't need any support. EA will just keep giving money to Bioware to continue making stuff regardless of how the game is received?

Oh well thank you for reminding me why I hate trying to have discussions here.

Modifié par Bluko, 13 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Bluko]

Bogsnot wrote...

Bluko wrote...
And if by some odd 1% chance Indoctrination Theory is true. Then you really ought to put the poor creature out of it's misery before it loses all sense and attacks you to. Again any actual confirmation is better then none.

Fixed.

We really dont need yet another lame thread about IT. Its a failed concept that has been shot down numerous times, and would be an evn bigger slap in teh face for gamers than the current ending is.

Mmmkay. When I see someone put actual effort into explaining how it cannot be I'll believe it. And or when someone with Bioware actually comes out and says "You guys are crazy."  Also I agree it is a big slap in the face. Question is when do we want to be slapped in the face again?

Now or like the middle of July? Really I just want to have some real proof that I shouldn't go and sell all 3 games to Gamestop. I mean I was looking forward to beating ME3 and realizing what a great trilogy this has been and that I should totally play through it again. But honestly with the ending as it is... I have no reason to replay any of the games at all. Strange I thought nothing could ever ruin ME1 for me... but hey that's just how awesome ME3 is I guess.


I cannot believe they would do this. Call it deluded fan guilt or what have you. But until I know what's what Mass Effect remains in limbo for me.

[TheRealJayDee]

Bluko wrote...

Look if you guys want a good solid relation with your community it helps that you be truthful and upfront with them.

Honestly? Probably too late for that. Because...

Bluko wrote...

Your whole handling of this situation is laughable and likely going to be the textbook example of bad PR.

...of this. Because "this situation" can be applied to pretty much any issue, from face import (still not always working properly with new patch) to the mow removed stickied "endings and MP" thread (they're still not acknowleding it's impossible to reach 4000+ EMS without MP), and so on. 

It's like they're deliberately trying to look bad. Not sure why, though. Maybe a bet with the DA2 team?

[StarAce905-2]

IT just isn't right. BioWare may have released a crap ending for some messed up reason, but they wouldn't ship a game without an ending.

[Peregrin25]

Bluko wrote...

Mmmkay. When I see someone put actual effort into explaining how it cannot be I'll believe it. And or when someone with Bioware actually comes out and says "You guys are crazy."  Also I agree it is a big slap in the face. Question is when do we want to be slapped in the face again?

Now or like the middle of July? Really I just want to have some real proof that I shouldn't go and sell all 3 games to Gamestop. I mean I was looking forward to beating ME3 and realizing what a great trilogy this has been and that I should totally play through it again. But honestly with the ending as it is... I have no reason to replay any of the games at all. Strange I thought nothing could ever ruin ME1 for me... but hey that's just how awesome ME3 is I guess.


I cannot believe they would do this. Call it deluded fan guilt or what have you. But until I know what's what Mass Effect remains in limbo for me.

I share your thoughts. part of me thinks regardless of what BioWare does or how they handle any future situation. it is going to be a kick in the nuts anyway. However I would rather it happen sooner rather than later!

[Peregrin25]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

IT just isn't right. BioWare may have released a crap ending for some messed up reason, but they wouldn't ship a game without an ending.

It wouldn't be the first time a company has done somthing along those lines. Just because it is BioWare you think that impossible? You forget who they work for? Yeah, that's right. Electronic Arts. How many good companies have they ruined over the years. Too many to count.

Everything is in the realm of possibility at this point. I wouldn't put it past them either.

[bobnice31]

govs6360 wrote...

They have already said that ending are final and they had to cut Shepard being indocturated becasue they could not get the game play to work.

I never knew they cut out shepard being indoctrinated, could you provide a link to that info?

[Bogsnot]

Bluko wrote...
Mmmkay. When I see someone put actual effort into explaining how it cannot be I'll believe it. And or when someone with Bioware actually comes out and says "You guys are crazy."  Also I agree it is a big slap in the face. Question is when do we want to be slapped in the face again?

Its been discounted numerous times, by numerous people, including myself.

You know IT is a lame arsed theory when some of the evidence they present to back up their case is "Earth is upside down".
Come on, you're in a 3 dimensional, gravity free environment. You have 46656000* different viewing angles, and "upside down" is used as evidence?

*That number is based on 360 degrees in a circle, multiplied by itself 3 times to account for 1 degree change in each of the 3 axis.


I started breaking down other peoples arguments for it in another thread. Feel free to defend IT and refute my arguments here.

[AlanC9]

Bogsnot wrote...
You know IT is a lame arsed theory when some of the evidence they present to back up their case is "Earth is upside down".
Come on, you're in a 3 dimensional, gravity free environment. You have 46656000* different viewing angles, and "upside down" is used as evidence?

Wow. I knew we had weapons-grade silliness running around here, but I never saw that one.

[CARL_DF90]

Regardless, if Bioware uses parts of or all of the I.T. is up for debate but I am actually excited to see if Bioware does it. But we won't know squat until they have something that is ready to be shown, and I'm guessing it might be after they iron out all the bugs.

[jdi_knght]

BioWare: Alright guys, it's IT.
Half-the-community: WTF THATS SO STUPID I HATE YOU.

<1 month later>
<everything is cut together, but IT hasn't worked out as well in the game as it did on paper>

BioWare: Alright guys, IT didn't work, so apologies for those who were looking forward to it, but we've gone back to the drawing board and will be changing it to something else.
Half-the-community: WTF U GUYS LIED TO US WE HATE YOU.

BioWare: ***notice to all employees - do not talk about games in the works before they're ready or we'll be penalized by the fans if something changes***


Just kidding. It would never happen like that, and if it did, the fans would never rage.

[-Skorpious-]

I severely doubt the indoctrination theory was intended from the start, but I feel pretty confidant in saying that roughly 75% of the "vocal" fans (i.e the ones who actually care about the endings enough to post) would be greatly pleased if if ended up being included in the extended cut. To be more specific, the indoctrination theory is a get out of jail for free card - those who enjoy the current endings simply need not download it, while most fans who are upset enough to voice their concerns publicly will rejoice at the revelation.

It's basically a win-win in most instances.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 13 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[RaggieRags]

I agree this isn't going to tide over with time, only grow into deeper resentment. I'm not sure what Bioware could do to fix it. Maybe an actual apology and admittance that they messed up, instead of hiding behind the "artistic intergrity" and "the reviewers liked it" excuses.

Dridengx wrote...

It's a video game bro.. get mad at something else more important

Golly, you are right! Maybe I should hang out in video game forums being mad at video game fans instead! That's totally a better use of anyone's time!

[StarAce905-2]

Peregrin25 wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

IT just isn't right. BioWare may have released a crap ending for some messed up reason, but they wouldn't ship a game without an ending.

It wouldn't be the first time a company has done somthing along those lines. Just because it is BioWare you think that impossible? You forget who they work for? Yeah, that's right. Electronic Arts. How many good companies have they ruined over the years. Too many to count.

Everything is in the realm of possibility at this point. I wouldn't put it past them either.

But what would they gain from doing that? After all, the ending DLC is going to be a free download.

[Drake_Hound]

I do agree they cannot let this situation go on longer , cause it will not blow over .
Cause as more people finish the game , they come onto the forums , while people who have calmed down moved on .
They are faced with the same trolls who inhabits these forums , who troll to a sad feeling of spite and envy .

Sorry this situation will not blow over , infact BSN only will worsen the situation .
By turning it into a personal vendatte or gangwar ..

[AlanC9]

Bio may prefer getting a slow trickle of rage as IT fans realize they're wrong one-by-one rather than the nerdrage tsunami they'd get from a flat denial of the theory.

[Brass_Buckles]

Time to offer my frank, cynical opinion.

They won't use Indoctrination Theory; it's already been said that this was thought of and tossed out.  While there are some things that point to it, a lot of the "evidence" such as the boy not being noticed by others, is mere grasping at straws.  The endings will be added to via cut scenes, but there won't be much added.  They have until summer, which isn't a whole lot of time to develop it and make extensive cut scenes.

This is not some secret ending that was already in the works, or it would already have been released likely during PAX.  To think otherwise is wishful thinking.

The ending we got is the ending we're stuck with.  And even if Shepard turns out to have been indoctrinated, is that really a better ending than what we got?  Yes, it would be an incredible twist. But, would it be satisfying?  I'm doubtful that it would be.

I repeat my opinion that the end would have been better if we hadn't been given a selection of choices, and instead we got to sit back and see the results of everything we'd done for the past three games.  That would be an ending that made sense, and give more sense of closure and finality to Shepard's story.  Alas, I am not on the dev team so my opinion doesn't matter.

[Jadebaby]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

IT just isn't right. BioWare may have released a crap ending for some messed up reason, but they wouldn't ship a game without an ending.

It wouldn't be the first time a company has done somthing along those lines. Just because it is BioWare you think that impossible? You forget who they work for? Yeah, that's right. Electronic Arts. How many good companies have they ruined over the years. Too many to count.

Everything is in the realm of possibility at this point. I wouldn't put it past them either.

But what would they gain from doing that? After all, the ending DLC is going to be a free download.

Indoctrination.