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[BobbyDylan]

IGN. Yeah.... Right....

[Mixorz]

Don't see what's difficult to understand. 80k or so on the Facebook page, but I will give you 20k (I'm being generous). That's lets say 100k. IF the game even sold 1 million, and let me be more generous and say another 100k hate the end, it's sill 800k that either like the end or don't really care if it's changed or not. Sorry but your hold the line should be hold off on the wine, because you all must be drunk and unable to see simple logic.

[Noatz]

I'll just leave this here. Apologies if its already been posted.



A good summary of what "rewards" intensive marketing a rushed product will reap.

[KingKhan03]

Mixorz wrote...

Don't see what's difficult to understand. 80k or so on the Facebook page, but I will give you 20k (I'm being generous). That's lets say 100k. IF the game even sold 1 million, and let me be more generous and say another 100k hate the end, it's sill 800k that either like the end or don't really care if it's changed or not. Sorry but your hold the line should be hold off on the wine, because you all must be drunk and unable to see simple logic.

Even though you make no sense, If 200K of your fanbase hate something isn't that concerning? these are fans that buy more then the game and commit money to merchandise.

Meh what's the point you're only concerned with "winning" I don't know what your are trying to win but whatever helps you sleep at night bud.

[Swisspease]

Mixorz wrote...

Don't see what's difficult to understand. 80k or so on the Facebook page, but I will give you 20k (I'm being generous). That's lets say 100k. IF the game even sold 1 million, and let me be more generous and say another 100k hate the end, it's sill 800k that either like the end or don't really care if it's changed or not. Sorry but your hold the line should be hold off on the wine, because you all must be drunk and unable to see simple logic.

And like I said before that can be taken the other way where, let's use your numbers, 800k either dislike the ending or don't really care. You are bunching a group that doesn't care to pad your numbers. Statistics don't work that way. It is not black and white.

To quote Mark Twain:
There are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[signfang]

They'll be probably like

Before purchasing the game :
"Ok, people says that ending of ME3 sucks. But how bad could it be in this wonderful franchise? Who are complaining about the ending could be upset just because it's too sad. I love Mass Effect, I'm gonna buy it."

After finishing the game : Never saw that comin'

Modifié par signfang, 13 avril 2012 - 08:12 .

[cutegigi]

deimosmasque wrote...

As in the worst I got (the two I mentioned) were similiar reactions to many retakers.  "All three games ruined" type hatred.  3 others were disappointed but only because of the Normany crash (myself and my wife included) the other 5 just sort of shrugged their shoulders and weren't concerned by the ending in any way.

yeah. thats about what I expected to happen. For every 1 Starwars die hard fans that debate who shot first, there should be around 3 other moviegoers who just think the movie was just ok, lots of laser shooting and thing blowing up, but nothing worth debating for.

[xsdob]

Sad to see that as a console palyer of mass effect, I'm apparently not a core fan or true fan, according to the boards at least.

Can I just get a big sign for all use moderates out there that reads "I'm not considered part of the fanabse becasue 'insert reason listed on the boards here'."

Modifié par xsdob, 13 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[Eire Icon]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

We will see how their next game sells. I am definitely not preordering anymore. At least unless EC proves me wrong in my caution.

That statement was made after DA2 and guess what happened

[scott1118]

The real firgure they need to work out is how many were actually sold, excluding to those who have returned the game upon completion...

[Eire Icon]

xsdob wrote...

Sad to see that as a console palyer of mass effect, I'm apparently not a core fan or true fan, according to the boards at least.

Can I just get a big sign for all use moderates out there that reads "I'm not considered part of the fanabse becasue 'insert reason listed on the boards here'."

Mass Effect was specifically developed for the Xbox 360

[FlamingBoy]

Eire Icon wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

We will see how their next game sells. I am definitely not preordering anymore. At least unless EC proves me wrong in my caution.

That statement was made after DA2 and guess what happened

he is right, how many more chances should bioware get

[FlamingBoy]

Mixorz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

Well nub, if even 100k hate the ending, it's still a minority.

When will people accept the fact that most people enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

lol what, i am literally just saying 1.5 million copies are sold thats it, this particular post has nothing to do with the ending,
u ok mate?

[GuardianAngel470]

Mixorz wrote...

Don't see what's difficult to understand. 80k or so on the Facebook page, but I will give you 20k (I'm being generous). That's lets say 100k. IF the game even sold 1 million, and let me be more generous and say another 100k hate the end, it's sill 800k that either like the end or don't really care if it's changed or not. Sorry but your hold the line should be hold off on the wine, because you all must be drunk and unable to see simple logic.

So what your saying in your hypothetical situation is that 10% of the fanbase have been confirmed to hate the game?

Yup, that fits nicely into Jessica Merizan's 90-9-1 ratio. 90% are the silent majority, 9% are the vocal minority, and 1% is the productive minority (90% don't participate on the internet at all, 9% do actively, and 1% creates content based on the game).

So basically, in your hypothetical situation (because of course more than 1 million games have been sold) the fans that are displeased is pretty much every single one that can be expected to voice that displeasure on the internet.

So yeah, you didn't prove anything but our point.

[MoZedK]

Mixorz wrote...

Oakenshield1 wrote...

This only reflects good marketing, not customer satisfaction with the end.

Really, yeah I guess we all hate the ending. Your generalization is like one of the multicolored explosion, expanding over the universe.

Not all hate the ending no.

But the problem for BW is that they go against the devoted fans that has played all the games and have helped hype the game. What I meen by that is that they are changing the genre at the wery end, and thoses of us that love the lore and live the stratrekish game, is faced with a new context that is space magic.

So they loose the Character focus, that I hope in the DLC will get back. A bigger problem is changing the genre, that can be fixed without changing the ending. They also change the central conflict.

And when you use magic all of the sudden you begin raising questions, and to many of those will block the Narritive Cohrence. Here is the biggest problem.

There are to many of these questions that is simply not possible by the law they have made in the game. And they have sticked with the law mostly in the game with only a little side step that dosent block the narritive coherence.

And when you then drop a bomb, and taking controle of shepard well then it simply dosent make any sence and you sit and think Whoooot? and now the narritive coherence is gone.

Thats why the end is brooken. If you dont think of it in those way just take it for the action game, well the ending might not matter as mutch.

But back to the hardcore fans that love the talk tecky game that was established in ME1 in the beginning, the ending is just brooken.

[Eire Icon]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Don't see what's difficult to understand. 80k or so on the Facebook page, but I will give you 20k (I'm being generous). That's lets say 100k. IF the game even sold 1 million, and let me be more generous and say another 100k hate the end, it's sill 800k that either like the end or don't really care if it's changed or not. Sorry but your hold the line should be hold off on the wine, because you all must be drunk and unable to see simple logic.

So what your saying in your hypothetical situation is that 10% of the fanbase have been confirmed to hate the game?

Yup, that fits nicely into Jessica Merizan's 90-9-1 ratio. 90% are the silent majority, 9% are the vocal minority, and 1% is the productive minority (90% don't participate on the internet at all, 9% do actively, and 1% creates content based on the game).

So basically, in your hypothetical situation (because of course more than 1 million games have been sold) the fans that are displeased is pretty much every single one that can be expected to voice that displeasure on the internet.

So yeah, you didn't prove anything but our point.

I think the point is that the "Retake Movement" is using stats of people who don't like the ending to try and paint some kind of picture to Bioware that failure to cave to the Retake movements demands will result in all these people boycotting Bioware in the future - That is simply not true.

If you read the comments of people who hate the ending, a huge proportion loved the game in general, just hated the ending.
 
I didn't like the ending, I felt it was incomplete, left a huge amount of questions unanswered and lacked closure to the Shepard arc in terms of the ME universe and the characters.

So will I buy future ME DLC and products? - Yes
Will I buy future Bioware games? - Yes
Will I constantly complain about the same things over and over again and clutter the BSN Forums? - No
Will I pay for billboards, cupcakes and who knows what else to try and prove a point? - No
Will I constructively outline what I thoight of the ending - Yes
Will I patronise and rant at Bioware staff - No

And Why? because it was just 10 mins of a 100+ hours experience. Yes it was disappointing but thats about all

I've been on these forums along time as have many.

I remember a few people saying they would never buy a Bioware game again because of Bioware abandoning RPG elements in ME2

I remember those same people along with a huge amount more saying they would never buy a Bioware game again after DA2 for varying reasons

I also remember the huge amounts of BSN fans who cancelled their pre-orders due to Multi-player and a load of other reasons

And those same people are singing the same tune now again with ME3 and DA2 badges registered to their profile.

Yes some people have stuck to their guns, but most on this forum at least it would appear have not

My point? - the people against the ending can quote stats all they want, but at the end of the day gamers are fickle, and allot of us here have seen it all before

[pablosplinter]

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

So lol, get this:

4 million copies

Around 80k on the Facebook are unhappy with ending.

Looks like an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY loves the ending.

Cry moar nubcakes.

You should really stop posting, before you embarras yourself even more.

This, I was going to comment, but this is good advice

[darkshadow136]

Oakenshield1 wrote...

This only reflects good marketing, not customer satisfaction with the end.

Very true. Also a good indicator on how well received Bioware's last 2 games were and the amount of Customer loyality and trust they still have will be in how many games in the future they sell for this franchise and dragon age and so on.

[pikey1969]

Mixorz wrote...

When will people accept the fact that most people I enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

There corrected it.

That said, to be honest the same could apply to the other party in reverse.

Modifié par pikey1969, 13 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[Baryonic-Member]

In ME2, less than half of the people who played it had the achievement for completing the suicide mission.

[DJBare]

Eire Icon wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
We will see how their next game sells. I am definitely not preordering anymore. At least unless EC proves me wrong in my caution.

That statement was made after DA2 and guess what happened

Yeah, I was one of those despite not liking DA2 I still purchased ME3, but it's definitely a case of fool me once, fool me twice.....
The only reason I'm hanging on for the extended DLC is because it's free, but I can definitely say I will not be purchasing any Bioware product until I've seen that DLC for myself, then I will make up my mind.

Modifié par DJBare, 13 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Mixorz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

Well nub, if even 100k hate the ending, it's still a minority.

When will people accept the fact that most people enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

Fourth post in this thread and the irony keeps building. 

Sorry, your beloved franchise aint doing so well as perhaps it should, but keep on clutching at whatever nonsense you want to fabricate if it gives you comfort. It's quite hilarious. 

[clarkusdarkus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

Well nub, if even 100k hate the ending, it's still a minority.

When will people accept the fact that most people enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

Fourth post in this thread and the irony keeps building. 

Sorry, your beloved franchise aint doing so well as perhaps it should, but keep on clutching at whatever nonsense you want to fabricate if it gives you comfort. It's quite hilarious. 

not to mention the games that have been returned and sold on, also the series is a shadow of what it once were, there were ppl who didnt like the game/ending and sold it but didnt come onto forums to tell us about it. ever since the endings travesty bioware/EA have hardly been lavished with praise have they. when i used the hammer of dawn on the reaper i could have sworn i was marcus fenix and not delivery man shepard.

[Vigil_N7]

Lol at people trying to twist sales numbers and making excuses for its success so they can fit it in with their hate for the ending.


Some of you are really pathetic

[nomoredruggs]

veramis wrote...

The article says 4 million "sold-in to retailers". This means number sent to the retailers, not actually sold.