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[Edrick1976]

Ha yes IGN, the beacon of hope when it comes to "journalist integrity”…

Sarcasm FTW!!!

[Daveros]

According to VGChartz, it's sold 3.39 million copies. I don't think that includes digital, either.

[commander_shepard]

Well if BioWare wanted to see how many people were disillusioned or simply didn't like the ending, they could try sending out an e-mail survey to people...

Modifié par commander_shepard, 13 avril 2012 - 03:49 .

[matthewmi]

Yes brag about and boast about trying to hurt the sales of one of the few companies that makes story driven RPGs especially in a true sci-fi setting when all you have left is call of duty or bad games like Alpha protocol remember your stance now.

[garf]

Here at mutual of omaha we have put two trolls in the same cage we are waiting to see if their hate and Misanthropy will cause them to lash out at each other or if they will mate... a minority theory has their flaming and rejection of logic being so powerful in combination as to create a troll singularity. Should this happen there is no predicting the results most theories revolve around three colours of space magic and everyone turning into a desert confection made of 'nubs'

[Menethra]

Dridengx wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Even if the game only sold 1 million or 500k copies, there's still a majority that don't hate the ending.

Evidence? Oh, you don't have any?

You don't need evidence to see the obvious. Do you have evidence to disprove this? We already have way more than enough facts to see how small your opinion is.

• Fact ME3 sold millions
• Anti Enders are a minority of 52,000 to at MOST 200,000

Do the math derp. Now, Anti enders claim.. You can't prove everyone who isn't part of Anti enders groups didn't like the ending, but you can't prove they hate it either. What we can do is look at history and stats. Statistics claim only 9% get online to complain.. and 90% of consumers who are happy never bother to brag how good something is on forums.

using that it does even more damage against you.

Truth is, you guys were claiming the fall of Bioware and EA, stocks dropping, game price dropped (when it was an easter sale), etc and truth WAS ME3 broke franchise sales, and the sales keep going up and up making your movement even smaller and smaller especially with some leaving.

lol seriously it's like you based your opinions off the BSN.

Do you see millions of people who bought mass effect 3 on these forums? No you dont simple as. You're acting like the entire ME fanbase is register on the forums. Your logic is poor at best, you bash the movement yet again providing what a hateful little person you are, if all this was just a game as you seem to state in previous threads, why should you even care if someone likes the ending or doesn't?

I believe your exact words were.
" It's a video game bro.. get mad at something else more important  "

How intresting that here you are spending your amazing time talking with us retake folks, guess that means were important? Ah shucks, ilu aswell even if you are a flame baiting troll. But enough of that heh? You call people a minority because mass effect 3 sold millions but lets face it your statistics are based upon people registered on these forums, the accurate numbers of pro enders and anti enders is something unknown to bioware, to you and to me.

As for claiming retake is losing members, let me guess you're also basing this off the retake page on these forums? Maybe you should take a look at the facebook i sure as hell dont see the numbers going down they appear to be rising as they have been for sometime now.

But really your claim for calling people a minority is based upon mass effect 3 selling millions of copies? Damn it man whatever social networking your running to keep in contact with millions of people i'd love to know because lets face it unless you are in contact with those millions who bought the game you're full of ****.

Modifié par Menethra, 13 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[ahandsomeshark]

matthewmi wrote...

Yes brag about and boast about trying to hurt the sales of one of the few companies that makes story driven RPGs especially in a true sci-fi setting when all you have left is call of duty or bad games like Alpha protocol remember your stance now.

the issue is their last two games haven't been true story-driven RPG's they've been dumbed down action rpg's trying to pass themselves off as rpg's. People are trying to get bioware/ea to realize that's not good enough.

[ahandsomeshark]

garf wrote...

Here at mutual of omaha we have put two trolls in the same cage we are waiting to see if their hate and Misanthropy will cause them to lash out at each other or if they will mate... a minority theory has their flaming and rejection of logic being so powerful in combination as to create a troll singularity. Should this happen there is no predicting the results most theories revolve around three colours of space magic and everyone turning into a desert confection made of 'nubs'

i dont know what's happening in this post but I like it.

[Marta Rio II]

Yes, but how many more copies could it have sold if the endings hadn't sucked so hard...and generated so much bad press?  Eh, probably not too many more (since most of the sales were week 1), but I'm guessing the EA suits will be asking this question of the underlings at Bioware.  One can never have enough money...especially if one is a video game publisher.

Also, it's immaterial whether the anti-enders are the minority or the majority.  Bioware's releasing the EC specifically to appease them (whether it will actually do so remains to be seen), so who the heck cares if they're the majority or the minority?  Whether they number 80,000 or 800,000, Bioware have already made the decision to try to cater to them with free DLC.

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 13 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[matthewmi]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Yes brag about and boast about trying to hurt the sales of one of the few companies that makes story driven RPGs especially in a true sci-fi setting when all you have left is call of duty or bad games like Alpha protocol remember your stance now.

the issue is their last two games haven't been true story-driven RPG's they've been dumbed down action rpg's trying to pass themselves off as rpg's. People are trying to get bioware/ea to realize that's not good enough.

ME2 sold better than ME1 and a game with over 44000 lines of spoken dialogue isn't story driven? Lol

[ahandsomeshark]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Yes brag about and boast about trying to hurt the sales of one of the few companies that makes story driven RPGs especially in a true sci-fi setting when all you have left is call of duty or bad games like Alpha protocol remember your stance now.

the issue is their last two games haven't been true story-driven RPG's they've been dumbed down action rpg's trying to pass themselves off as rpg's. People are trying to get bioware/ea to realize that's not good enough.

also if there's a market for story-driven sci-fi rpg games someone will replace them. If there's not then Bioware will be fine producing whatever they're intending to move to, and some small company (like bioware 10+ years ago) will fill their void. Sometimes, shockingly, markets work.

[matthewmi]

Looking for other sci-fi RPGs right now......not seeing anything. What is dumb is by hurting the sales they'll be less likely to spend the cash to fix the "problems" you're getting an extended cut looks like you'd wait til you saw it to say its not good enough. Bioware will not make everyone happy Whatever they do especially looking at some of the sillier posts on here like IT stuff.

[ahandsomeshark]

matthewmi wrote...

Looking for other sci-fi RPGs right now......not seeing anything. What is dumb is by hurting the sales they'll be less likely to spend the cash to fix the "problems" you're getting an extended cut looks like you'd wait til you saw it to say its not good enough. Bioware will not make everyone happy Whatever they do especially looking at some of the sillier posts on here like IT stuff.

huh? 1. you're not seeing any other because there's not a big enough market demand for them. If one producer exits the market...then another will enter. Hurting their profit/quarterly numbers/stock number is more likely to make them respond, if their sales met expectations even with backlash what possible incentive would they have to respond to backlash. That's just basic math. EA/bioware is a business, they're going to make decisions on a cost analysis basis, not out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Chaoswind]

Dridengx wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Even if the game only sold 1 million or 500k copies, there's still a majority that don't hate the ending.

Evidence? Oh, you don't have any?

You don't need evidence to see the obvious. Do you have evidence to disprove this? We already have way more than enough facts to see how small your opinion is.

• Fact ME3 sold millions
• Anti Enders are a minority of 52,000 to at MOST 200,000

Do the math derp. Now, Anti enders claim.. You can't prove everyone who isn't part of Anti enders groups didn't like the ending, but you can't prove they hate it either can you? What we can do is look at history and stats. Statistics claim only 9% get online to complain.. and 90% of consumers who are happy never bother to brag how good something is on forums.

using that it does even more damage against you.

Truth is, you guys were claiming the fall of Bioware and EA, stocks dropping, game price dropped (when it was an easter sale), etc and truth WAS ME3 broke franchise sales, and the sales keep going up and up making your movement even smaller and smaller especially with some leaving.

[*]Wait what? Anti Enders?  So we didn't want the game to end or something?


Truth is that ME3 sold well, that was a given it had more than 1M pre orders alone, that doesn't change the fact that a high % of people were disappointed of the ending; talking with either side (retakers/the others) is pointless, people made up their minds long ago, but, i tell you that I won't pre order any new games. and of that I am sure

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Dridengx wrote...

[quote]AxisEvolve wrote...

[quote]Mixorz wrote...

Even if the game only sold 1 million or 500k copies, there's still a majority that don't hate the ending.
[/quote]
Evidence? Oh, you don't have any?[/quote]

You don't need evidence to see the obvious. [/quote]

You need evidence to prove your statements correct, something that seems to be lacking with pretty much everything you say.

[quote]Do you have evidence to disprove this? [/quote]
Yes. Can I prove the opposite? No. 

It's something I like to call 'Shrodinger's Collective'. Those people who don't voice their opinions publically are neither here nor there and exist in a perpetual state of unopinion so can't be used to quantify anything. 

Not that it really matters. Where per chance doth the Burden lie? 

[quote]We already have way more than enough facts to see how small your opinion is. [/quote]
Opinions can have a magnitude now? What happened to valuing everyone's opinions regardless of what they are? Does that make your opinion 'larger' that someone elses?

[quote]Fact ME3 sold millions[/quote]
An unquantifiable number of millions, but I could of told you that when ME1 was announced.

[quote]Anti Enders are a minority of 52,000 to at MOST 200,000. [/quote]
Riiight, two problems with this. 

1. You first number is incorrect. The most reliable source is facebook likes, which sits 10,000 above your number. 

2. The most it could possibly be is everyone who bought Mass Effect 3 minus you.

[quote]Do the math derp. Now, Anti enders claim.. You can't prove everyone who isn't part of Anti enders groups didn't like the ending, but you can't prove they hate it either can you? [/quote]
No, and that's something people have stated a dozen times in this thread alone, regardless of opinion on the matter. What you've erected is a strawman.

[quote]What we can do is look at history and stats. Statistics claim only 9% get online to complain.. and 90% of consumers who are happy never bother to brag how good something is on forums.[/quote]
No, statisticians can hypothesis that around 9% of people will voice their opinion publically. They can also hypothesis that for every vocal complaint there are 26 others who share the same view but won't voice it. Which roughly puts those who dislike the ending at a neet 1560000, and those who like it at 18200. Not that either of those numbers are actually correct.
Your second statement is pulled out of some nightmarish dream world.

[quote]using that it does even more damage against you. [/quote]
The irony physically hurts.

[quote]Truth is, you guys were claiming the fall of Bioware and EA, stocks dropping, game price dropped (when it was an easter sale), etc and truth WAS ME3 broke franchise sales,[/quote]
It's being put down to 'Easter sales' now is it? That's a long, strangely formed, and very conveniently timed sale, isn't it? 

[quote]and the sales keep going up and up[/quote]
Well the aren't likely to go down and down are they? Unless your ignorance has hit a metaphorical critical mass and opened a warp hole to the past to a time when everyone loved BioWare unconditionally.

[quote]making your movement even smaller and smaller especially with some leaving. [/quote]
I'd still like you to address the extremely small number of people who actually like the ending. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[karek]

Mixorz wrote...

A lot of people love the game. Including the end. Great to hear a great company is getting the support it deserves.

They're talking about shipped to retailers not actually sold product. Something on the order of 3 million units are sitting on the shelves according to information from informed investor information firms(ones with direct EA contact)

Modifié par karek, 13 avril 2012 - 04:09 .

[Valo_Soren]

Yeah, I don't think you're re-take movement had an affect on sales in the slightest.

[ticklefist]

Update: Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg reports that Mass Effect 3 sold 943,000 units on Xbox 360, outselling the PlayStation 3 version 4 to 1.

So PC gamers bought 2.75 million copies of Mass Effect 3?

[ticklefist]

Nevermind. Post above says it all.

Modifié par ticklefist, 13 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[pikey1969]

Very nice.

Now we finally have proper statistics people can referr to.

Now all the idiots that were saying 'lol you say VGChartz is bad cause you dont like it' can rightly shove it.

Modifié par pikey1969, 13 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[pikey1969]

Update:[/b] Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg reportsthat Mass Effect 3 sold 943,000 units on Xbox 360, outselling the PlayStation 3 version 4 to 1.  

Wait wait wait...

Mass Effect sold less than a mil on the 360 for the first month. And Microsoft revealing those stats was just to prove that they outsold PS3 4 to 1. sooo.... it's around 1.25-1.3ish million for consoles? PC at best probably sold around as many copies as PS3... so that's actually 1.5 ~1.6 mil for the first month.

I am sorry, how are we arriving at 4 million?

Modifié par pikey1969, 13 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[The Interloper]

Considering how low the prices are now, I think it's safe to say that sales were hurt.

[Katosu]

pikey1969 wrote...

Wait wait wait...

Mass Effect sold less than a mil on the 360 for the first month. And Microsoft revealing those HARD stats was just to prove that they outsold PS3 4 to 1. sooo.... it's around 1.25-1.3ish million for consoles? PC at best probably sold around as many copies as PS3... so that's actually 1.5 ~1.6 mil for the first month.

I am sorry, how are we arriving at 4 million?

Space Magic 

[Giantdeathrobot]

meaning at least four million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold-in to retailers (though sold-through numbers to consumers have yet to be announced)

Calling attention to this for great justice. These are the number of copies EA sold to retailers, not the number of copies retailer themselves sold to customers. And of course these numbers do not include digital sales or returned copies. So the data is still very, very incomplete.

I mean, we can piece together that ME3 is a success for sure. Whenever it's the blockbuster EA wanted it to be remains to be seen, as is the effect of the ending/Extended Cut DLC on sales.

Modifié par Giantdeathrobot, 13 avril 2012 - 04:16 .